Slur ? What ? "I must go and visit the ancient stone temples of Eritrea. If only I could find them". Grab a cup of cofee. Thats eritrean ritual. Do you really believe the eritrean cave-churches were put to use with the arrival of christianity ? Yes ! Go visit ! Hitlers defeat or hitler starting a war. Same crap. As to your "what", i believe you mentioned azhkenazi-jews as most intelligent group. "Yes, and we could make fat people mate with thin people and beautiful people mate with ugly people". At least you can make blond people so disgusted with blond that we breed with beautiful ( or charming ) people of other creeds.

Comment by Keir Firstly anyone talking about the "faux-Left" is defintely thinking in terms of identity politics themselves, no? I mean of course race/gender/sexuality Identity Politics. The elite are the enemy. Ye shall know and recognize them for what they be: A: the neoliberal Right (doctrinal enforcer of neoliberalism and fauxProtector of the white working class) and B: the fauxLeft (doctrinal enforcer of race/gender Identity Politics and fauxProtector of minorities and working women). Some years ago I received a whopping sum of money from the Fulbright Commission. It allowed me to go [etc].... That money from the elite allowed you to propagate elite-friendly memes that tie economic leftism to race/gender identity politics and the culture wars, the same identity politics that demonize the white lower and lower middle class, which is what turns them against economic leftism, which is exactly what the elite want. They knew what they would get from you. If you had previously only focused on economic leftism and not identity politics, you would not have gotten the money. They give money to those activists/writers who tie identity politics (of the "white people are racists" variety) to economic leftism. Thus tending to make rural whites, blue collar white, and other whites dislike economic leftism. Why? Because that brand of identity politics has historically been associated with that redneck demonization, white-guilt mongering memes.

"Slur" That's not a refutation. "Hitler speeded up the creolization of europe." You mean Hitler's defeat speeded up the creolization of Europe. "We just have to fxxk and fxxk until we are all one happy family". Yes, and we could make fat people mate with thin people and beautiful people mate with ugly people. "Egyptian civilisation starts way back, and its link to eritrea/etiopia is much older than totmoses" I must go and visit the ancient stone temples of Eritrea. If only I could find them. "I would allso like your explanation of why ( according to you ) to smartest people on the planet comes from the area were all three major human branches meet. Duh ?" What?

"differentiation in colour IS probably significant if it conflates with observable differences in behaviour". Yes ! If white peoples chances of survival in a multicultural world get reduced by slur like this. If hate filters into us and the shame of your bleached "defence" attacks our kids opportunities. Egyptian civilisation starts way back, and its link to eritrea/etiopia is much older than totmoses. My Himmleresque rant should be a warning to guys like you. Hitler speeded up the creolization of europe. I do not know how your efforts will be put to use by the worlds progressive people and that elusive thing called historical neccesity. Meanwile you just hurt people black and white. Quoting Bulworth ( The movie ) "We just have to fxxk and fxxk until we are all one happy family". I would allso like your explanation of why ( according to you ) to smartest people on the planet comes from the area were all three major human branches meet. Duh ?

It seems the there are a few lefties who are begining to realise that their bid for power through racial agitation is on a moped trip to nowhere, stopping off at chaos and violence on the way, and are attempting to resurrect the class politics of the early twentieth century. There is absolutely no evidence that the antebellum American elite despised their Black slaves any more than their White slaves, and neither is there any evidence that these elites tried to inculcate the concept of racial superiority into the White working-classes. The obvious response of any indentured servant to an elite sermon exulting the kinship of all Whites would be to ask, "If I am your brother why do you treat me treat me worse than livestock?" Left liberals have fought the corner of Blacks for generations only to find that once empowered they prefer to vote for ethnic representitives like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. The Jewish lobby have fought for Black civil rights for generations only to have the aforementioned Jesse turn around and call New York "Hymmie Town". Now you want us to rally to your flag? Aint going to happen dude!

Wolf analogy NOT mine. I believe the point I made was a differentiation in colour IS probably significant if it conflates with observable differences in behaviour. It was ME who actually pointed out that the Harrapan civilisation was superior to the Indo-European civilisation which supplanted it. If you read my posts you wouldn't have to ask these questions. "As a last gift of lore to the clueless. The first egyptians often show clear signs of the physiognomy usually labelled subsaharan" Baby "He hath overthrown the chief of the Nubians; the Black is helpless, defenseless, in his grasp. He hath united the boundaries of his two sides, there is not a remnant among the curly-haired, who came to attack" Tombos Stela of Thutmose I It is screamingly funny that you end your anti-racist rant with an insult straight from the lexicon of Heinrich Himmler.

paul wrote: What he might not want to acknowledge is that Morgan's text is deeply suggestive (and more) about the way that slavery and racism encouraged white workers to identify with their white socioeconomic superiors instead of their fellow workers. huh? I JUST quoted morgan above: the planters "were able to use laws to mold the American culture in order to "to separate dangerous free whites from dangerous slave blacks by a screen of racial contempt." And, as I wrote in my script, the planters voted in politicians who wrote these laws to seperate poor whites from blacks. The poor whites could not vote (they did not have the property qualifications!). It was not, as you claim, that "slavery and racism encouraged white workers to identify with their white socioeconomic superiors instead of their fellow workers," but instead, as Morgan implies, and I as say, that the planters promoted racism (via a color-based social hierarchical CASTE) that gave the poor whites a "psychological wage" (thanks, WEB) that made them seem (to themselves) as being above the blacks. He wants to do an end-around the class-race dialectic ("stop talking about race" = "do class and political economy only") What America needs is a big time lesson in sociology, castes, social hierarchies, all mixed in with class, and historical political manipulations. No more race or gender-based identity politics, please! And just repeating the word "class" don't do much...

Hoy Kalvin. Street spent many lines dragging you along. Your "wolf"analogy was easy. Grey wolves better hunters, was countered by greywolves ruining their prey, and allso with blackwolves better seducers. This hindu-math was easy as well. Do you consider hindumath the result of trace genes from caucasian herders fleeing the flooding of the black sea ? Do you recognize that they replaced cultures more advanced, not less, and thus are open to critique mirroring any Kalvin-qritique of arab algebra. I do not expect answers. Your sole reference "baby is bored" shows your level. But please try. Itll do you good. As a last gift of lore to the clueless. The first egyptians often show clear signs of the physiognomy usually labelled subsaharan. "You didn't have much to say about race on your New Orleans posting" No he really does not talk about racism now adays. There are BLOGS about it you subhuman waste !!!!!!!!

You didn't have much to say about race on your New Orleans posting. I seem to recall you leaving your fan club to argue on your behalf whilst you applauded their "excellent points". Except I kept answering their "excellent points" and they slunk off behind a volley of ad hominems.

I think MCorbin puts things very well: that strikes me as a very useful response. But some commenters are taking other commenters (e.g. "cyofan")entirely too seriously. I am sorry that cryofan cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. He is confusing the mere act of talking/writing about race/racism ("please stop talking about race") with shaming of "the white working-class" (interesting to see the multi-racial/multi-ethnic proletariat divided up like that...gee sounds like "talking about race"), embracing identity politics, "ramming race down the throats of the [white] working-class" and neglecting or rejecting class analysis. There's no excuse for running off like this on the basis of such shameful confusion. Interesting to see cryofan citing Morgan's American Slavery American Freedom, which I am currently assigning to give U.S. history students a sense of the rich class basis of American racism from the get go. I at least can be spared his lecture. What he might not want to acknowledge is that Morgan's text is deeply suggestive (and more) about the way that slavery and racism encouraged white workers to identify with their white socioeconomic superiors instead of their fellow workers. He wants to do an end-around the class-race dialectic ("stop talking about race" = "do class and political economy only") by actually telling people to be silent about race and racism...hardly the recommendation of Edmund Morgan's text for God's sake. It is quite far removed from the practice of those who worked most successfully to organize the American working-class long before post-60s identity politics came along with all of its very real problems. Such organizers and leaders took their counsel from MCorbin, not cryofan. If cryofan likes to read American historians and historiography, he really ought to look carefully at Alexander Saxton, The Indispensable Enemy, David Roediger, The Wages of Whiteness, and W.E.B. Dubois, Black Reconstruction...for starters. He should hit the books a bit more broadly. I recommend more time in the library and less in the video-computer lab. The irony is that his very counsel ("stop talking about race") will openly deepen the racial divide, with horrible consequences for the anti-capitalist left of either the the hard variety or the softer New Deal social democratic variety that cryofan embraces. The irony is he can't understand his own preferred topics --- core topics of penultimate significance, for sure ---- without doing race. There's too much nonsense showing up here. "Please stop talking about race." Not today.

In some ways class divisions are greater than race divisions here in the US. I would not find it odd to see three businessmen, in suits and ties, of three distinct races chatting on the corner of the financial district. What would astonish me would be to see a white stock broker fraternizing with a white garbage truck driver. Cryofan seems to be objecting to anti-racism because it diverts attention from class struggle. I disagree. I do not think race and class division are separate issues. I agree with the previous post that racism will need to be drastically reduced for the working classes to find the solidarity they will need to overcome economic oppression. I hope Cryofan can see that race must be discussed if we are to correct the related problem of class divisions, and that guilt need not be employed as a motivating factor for working class whites to put aside their differences with their non-white peers and work together for mutual benefit.

The U.S. doesnt have a caste system though. Class yes, caste no.

Ismism :-) Workingclass everywere has denied others a part of "their" jobmarket. Not only Uppetyclass vs rest, all vs all. Likewise minorities have lagged behind on sexist issues and gay rights etc. All groups protect themselves through conservation of ritual. Groups expand by addmitance of new rites. Seems everybody needs someone to kick. Everybody needs someone too love too. The president of Eritrea once criticized african countries for lack of development and stated that this was primarily an African problem. Lack of structural change etc. Sometimes it is easier to get the critique from ones own ethnic/cultural group. Like here. Or whem muslim intellectuals criticize islams conservatism. Critique is not solely an objective hunt for blame , followed by regret and finally change. It is allso an attempt at loosening up preconseptions, letting change come to the group on its own terms thereafter.

Sorry, meant to add that my blog here has the part 3 script on it http://leftwingmediamachine.blogspot.com/ Here is an excerpt of the script: .... The elite hoped this would drive a wedge between poor whites and the black slaves. This was the beginning of the racial caste system constructed by the American elites. This caste system enabled the American elite to drive a social wedge between poor whites and blacks. THat made it easier for the rich white elite to get poor whites to go along with enslaving the blacks. They got the idea of how to do this from the sugar cane plantations in the Caribbean, which were essentially a trial run for the plantation systems of the mid Atlantic colonies that became America. In Haiti, the plantations were a brutal death machine for poor whites from the British Isles. And when the Haiti plantations began importing black slaves, they found that the white slaves formented rebellion with them. So the the planters there had to split them up with racism. And the Virginia and Mid Atlantic colonies learned well from what happened in Haiti. .... This was the crucial divide that allowed the rich whites to control the masses. As historian Edmund S. Morgan wrote in his book "American Slavery, American Freedom" the rich whites were able to use laws to mold the American culture in order to "to separate dangerous free whites from dangerous slave blacks by a screen of racial contempt."

http://leftwingmediamachine.blogspot.com/ I posted it earlier, but the blog software munged up the URL.....

I will say that I have noticed an incredible bias against poor whites in my anti-war work. Especially at the collegiate level, many left intellectuals blame all the ills of the U.S. on the "rednecks" who have supported Bush II. After laying down the blame some elitist remark is usually given about the idiocy of Nascar or the Super Bowl etc. This elitism plays into the ruling interests of the government which wants desperately to seperate poor whites from poor blacks. This has been historically true especially in the U.S. where racism is an incredibly strong cultural hammer used to fragment the interests of the underprivelidged. I sympathise with Cryofan to a degree but racism must never be shelved as irrelevant or past the point of political relevance. I believe what is needed is an attempt to create solidarity between poor white and poor black people against the system that exploits them-capitalism and speficially to our case the U.S. in its foreign and domestic policies. Class and race exist in a tension. They need to be understood together and in their relations. This is an absolute necessity in order to move forward in any struggle against imperialism and class struggle which always has racism in its back pocket, if not clenched in its fist. Not to get off focus but this can also be said of sexism, homophobia/heterosexism/, etc.

Many Znetters know how the CIA subverted leftism here in America & overseas during the cold war. Those activities molded the political culture of America and other countries so as to make them more amenable to the elite. Some of you know about earlier elite entities that molded and shaped political and social culture here in America: Nat'l Assn of Manufacturers, Committee on Public Information. These were the first elite-friendly propaganda mills. However, do you know what entities took over after the CIA? Well, it was the nonprofit foundations, The Ford Foundation, the MacArthur Foundation, etc. These powerful entities were started up by the plutocrats and took over from the CIA to mold and shape American leftism. How? By using their monies to guide American leftism towards Identity Politics instead of economics-oriented politics. BTW, Znet itself is funded partially by one of these elite-friendly nonprofits, as are all the other prominent Fauxleft media organs. Don't believe me? Look it up. For example, Gloria Steinem was one of the first projects that the CIA used to guide American leftism towards Identity Politics. THe nonprofits followed their lead. Identity politics was a perfect red herring for the elite to use to divert us from economic leftism. And this is just a perfect continuation of the caste system started by the planter elite of colonial America to split up the black chattel from the white indentureds (and freed white indentureds). Same as it ever was....

Calvin your wrong about the left and Christianity. For some real cognitive dissonance check out how some poeple have...DUN DUN DUN...combined the ideas of Marx with the liberation theology of Jesus Christ! It is a powerful combination! Theres almost no end to the amount of leftists who have used religion as a powerful part of their social philosophy and praxis. Or you could go on red baiting and hating on leftists and Marxists as godless anti-Christs. Amen brother.

Christianity is hated by the left, not because of its many failings and stupidities, but because it unites White people under a belief system which rejects left-wing economical determinism. The intellectuals at the forefront of the attacks on intelligent design etc., simply belong to rival belief systems. For Liberalism is a jealous God and thou shalt have no other God but Marx.

http://www.archive.org/details/HomoSapiensAmericanusPart2WhiteSlaveryInColonialAmerica Here is a repost of the link for the second segment of Homo Sapiens Americanus.

Scott, sorry, but I can barely pierce your run-on sentences, there. All I ask is that you read the third part of the script I posted and watch the 2nd part of video I posted. Once again, a nutshell of my thesis: America operates under a racial caste system. THe vast majority of working whites do not have power over minorties. Whatever liabilties the minorities suffer under are a consequence of the caste system that was put in place from 1630-1770 or so. That was done by the elite, for the elite. White working people know full well that whatever burden minorities suffer is not the fault of the white working class. But the fauxLeft puts the blame on them. And so the rightwing is able to seduce them. If you want to get the white working class back into economics leftism, try acknowledging that there is a caste system, that it was instituted by the elite, and that America was built on the backs of white slaves and black slaves, who slaved for the upper class. But you don't think that deeply, do you? WHy is that? And the fauxLeft really don't give a hoot about broad-based economic leftism that would benefit the white working class, do they? Don't you think THEY know that?

cryofan, you are as wrong as a commenter can be: race is your Achilles Heel and analytic Hell, not mine. The proof is in the pudding. What has happended to America since the emergence of Identity Politics? Since the early 70s, America has become a playground for the elite. The more Identity Politics plays a white guilt gambit, the more that the elite can use that to turn the white working class against economics leftism. Identity politics only gets more in the pocket of the elite. As far as I can tell, the only productive way to talk about race is in the context of early America, and expose how the caste system was set up by the colonial elite But to talk about white guilt for racism...that can only come from generational change. And popular culture is already doing that for us ,

"Paul, you ought to stop speaking about race." I'm not sure that's not the single worst comment ever to pollute my blog No...fine. Sorry about that. No more discussion of race...especially after Katrina, which shows its irrelevance. No, wouldn't want to demonize the "white working class" or "cram racial harmony down the throat of the white working class" or trumpet "identity politics" by mentioning the rich relevance of race in this and other contexts. cryofan, you are as wrong as a commenter can be: race is your Achilles Heel and analytic Hell, not mine.

The rich and powerful entrenched members of the Christian churches here in the US are about as altruistic as non-religious rich and powerful, generally speaking of course. Powerful Christian churches are led by men who have done everything from supporting and profiting from the slave trades, to reckless endangerment of alter boys by secretly moving molesting priests around from church to church to avoid embarrassment. In other words, acting in their own self interest with no apparent limit with respect to the horrible consequences or morality. I do believe the vast majority of priests are good, ethical people and it interesting to note that the deeds I have described were permitted by the highest levels. It is also interesting to note that Christ himself forbade his followers to hold rank over others. He insisted that all be held as equals.

Yes Kalvin ! The arabs go to USA to get benefits from oil. USA fails to export wealth southwards. Unlike Europes more socialist system that has exported wealth to new countries. I agree with Cryofan about guilt/racism. But racism needs to be adressed. Exploring culture does the trick. ( I think ). KALVIN ! Those 85% Christians are hellbent on Money and Vengeance. The two prime enemies of Lord Jesus."Christian" values? Jesus was socialist, as sure as Pat Buchanan condones killing and lying ! EVIL is not heavy metal or dressing up in costumes. Wanna see evil men ? You see them in church most sundays. Checkin out the eternal life. Forget it !

Hey, some of my best friends are French!

"That's a joke, right? The issue isn't guilt, the issue--I think--is recognition of the horrible fact of institutional racism, of white priviledge" "Christian soldiers. 'Nuff said" "the vile spiritual atrocity that passes for Christianity in much of the U.S" "militantly capitalist "Christian" mega-churches and Mammon-worshipping super-ministers and such" And finaly folks......... "Using the acts of individuals to try to demonize a religious or ethnic group as a whole is way too easy Calvin, and more importantly it proves nothing" Are you guys for real? "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own?" Geteth thee real MCorbin!

"Who the hell are the French to lecture anyone about behavior anyway? When they aren't building nuclear plants they are force feeding ducks until their livers explode, either that or eating in the cirrhosis ward!" Xenophobia, racism's counterpart, rears it's ugly head. Using the acts of individuals to try to demonize a religious or ethnic group as a whole is way too easy Calvin, and more importantly it proves nothing.

Yup! Them evil Christians. Sorry! Evil White Christians. Black Baptists are happy-clapping joy filled nice Christians. The 85% Christian USA is so bad that immigrants are falling over themselves to get there. Life is so much better in the Dar al Islam. Consider Saudi Arabia where Jimmy Swaggart drove little girls back into a burning school because they were improperly dressed. Oh! wait a minute, that was the Islamic police. Speaking of police, what was the racial composition of the NO police force which ripped off these ambulances? Never mind.Let's blame the police chief then. Oh! He's Black too! What about the mayor? Never mind let's cut to the chase. The disaster was caused by George Bush and the White Christians who support him. Is that what you folks call White skin privilege? Bearing a partial responsibility but being granted 100% of the blame. Who the hell are the French to lecture anyone about civilised behavior anyway? When they aren't building nuclear plants they are force feeding ducks until their livers explode, either that or eating Camenbert in the cirrhosis ward!

Paul, you ought to stop talking about race. You make the white working class for guilty for any slight racist thought, when all along it is the elite who created the racial caste system centuries ago. This race-centered leftism is what the elite created to split the white working class with race-crime guilt, when all along it was the elite that created the racial caste system. PLease abandon identity politics. I have begun to try to explain these ideas through video, but I am very busy lately, and therefore my documentary is only partially complete. Here is the rough draft script for part 3 of my documentary that explains some things about the racial caste system origins: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan. noam-chomsky/browse_frm/thread/ea14ca010a6773e4/a7afba84cb4345b9?hl =en#a7afba84cb4345b9 Here are the first two parts of my documentary Homo Sapiens Americanus that trys to explain what America is: http://www.archive.org/details/RandallCSmith HomoSapiensAmericanusChainsofIronChainsofSilverPart1 http://www.archive.org/details/HomoSapiens AmericanusPart2WhiteSlaveryInColonialAmerica Racial harmony cannot be crammed down the throats of the white working class with racial guilt. That only plays into the hands of the elite. It must be done with explanation of what America really is and was.

"I would add to this piece that dominant media can be expected to de-emphasize a special sort of harrowing human interest survival story from New Orleans: the tale of people who were turned away by force from surrounding parishes by public and private authority figures" Actually, Ive seen the coverage in serveral papers and on several channels. What is DEFINITELY being ignored by many media channels is the City's decision to simply empty the jails and let the inmates walk free. This was more than a little responsbile for the violence and rapes that have been reported. New Orleans is the only city I've been to where I have been repeatedly WARNED before going by people. The way they talked about it, I felt like I was going to a third world country. It's true that the cops of NO had the worst reputation in the whole country for years, but city was also crawling with predators.

Yes I read McKibben's piece. Harper's has been doing an excellent job on the vile spiritual atrocity that passes for Christianity in much of the U.S. The issue before (I think) was spectacular on militantly capitalist "Christian" mega-churches and Mammon-worshipping super-ministers and such. For something closer to more likely radical and levelling spirit of this (as with other) religious traditions, look up the truly remarkable proto-communist writings of the eloquent 17th century British "Digger" leader Gerrard Winstanley...a good introductory link it seems may be http://melior.univ-montp3.fr/ra_forum/en/people/winstanley_g/