It was when Dan Rather told Rachel Maddow on her January 27th show, “We are not seeking to colonize Afghanistan. The Soviets made no bones about it. They were coming in to take over the country. They wanted to run the country. They wanted to be there 100 or 1,000 years from now. That is not the case with what we‘re trying to do,..” we held our breath. There has been a controversy over the authenticity of Rather’s coverage of Afghanistan going back to 1980. Now in 2009 Rather was building on the his own Cold War disinformation campaign from the 1980’s and taking it to an absurd new level. We had hoped that Maddow was up to the challenge. Unfortunately, she allowed Rather’s disinformation to go unchallenged. We assumed that Maddow must not have known that Rather’s views of Soviet motives in Afghanistan and the American role were propaganda from another era. We assumed that Maddow, along with most Americans, must not have known that Rather’s reports on Afghanistan were tainted and have been challenged by many journalists.
So in response we sent a letter to Rachel Maddow regarding her January 27th interview with Dan Rather on Afghanistan summarized here.
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Dear Rachel Maddow;
Our personal involvement with Afghanistan and the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather began in 1981. We were the first journalists to gain access to Kabul through diplomatic channels at the United Nations following the expulsion of 1135 western journalists one month after the Soviet invasion. Contracted to CBS what we found in 1981 was in stark contrast to the picture that Rather was playing on the evening news.
The war in Afghanistan was a civil war between progressive modernists who advocated women’s rights and a secular state versus extremist Islamists backed by the United States, China, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who wanted to turn back the clock to the medieval era. Women’s rights had been a spark in that war.
Since then we have pieced together the complete story of how the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was miscast in the US media in order to intentionally reflect the political position of the new right and the neoconservatives who were just then coming into power through the Carter and Reagan years. There are now reams of first hand material available that we have incorporated into our book Invisible History Afghanistan’s Untold Story, that contradict the child-like Reagan era/good vs. evil approach to the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan promoted by CBS and Rather at the time. The Soviets tried to avoid invading Afghanistan for months prior to December of 1979. They warned the Marxist party in Kabul in no uncertain terms that they were not a broad enough political party to govern Afghanistan. The KGB recommended that they step aside and help in the formation of a broad based coalition government including conservative Islamists. Moscow wanted to return the King to the throne in the summer and fall of 1979 and informed the United States of it. Even secretary of defense Robert Gates and former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski have both publicly boasted that they intentionally set out to lure the Soviets into their own Vietnam quagmire. According to Gates in his 1997 book From the Shadows, there was no downside to having the Soviets trapped in Afghanistan.
Here are quotes from a 1989 article that raised serious charges regarding the authenticity and purpose of Dan Rather’s reporting on Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation but have never been adequately addressed by CBS, Rather or the media itself.
“Beginning September 27, 1989, a series of articles by Janet Wilson in the New York Post charged that Dan Rather’s CBS newscasts had repeatedly “aired fake battle footage and false news accounts” of the Afghan War. Among the charges:
CBS presented staged “action-packed commando” footage in which Afghan mujahedeen performed as actors in sequences purporting to show rebel advances, such as blowing up electric lines leading to Kabul. Scenes of mujahedeen stalking enemy positions and blowing up a mine were acted out and filmed in the safety of a Pakistani training camp. A Pakistani Air Force jet on a training mission was presented as “a Soviet jet bombing Afghan villages.”
CBS News aired a segment in 1987 showing a bomb made to look like a toy allegedly planted by Soviet soldiers to injure Afghan children. The Post cited an unnamed BBC producer claiming the bomb-toy had been created for the CBS cameraman.
On August 11, 1987, Dan Rather presented combat footage purporting to show what he described as “the biggest one-day defeat for Soviet forces since World War II,” killing 800 Soviet troops. In reality, the battle was small and didn’t involve Soviet forces.”
Much of what Dan Rather promoted in the 1980’s was propaganda designed to keep the American people in the dark. The current dialogue in the media still present disinformation as fact. It’s critical that the media do its own house cleaning and set the record straight on Afghanistan and the U.S. role for the American people. We would like the opportunity to address this issue with you (Rachel Maddow).
Regards,
Paul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould
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Although we confirmed that the letter was reviewed, we have had no response. It was bad enough that Maddow has allowed herself to become a conduit for another generation of Dan Rather’s 1980’s propaganda. Then Maddow invited Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter, onto her February 18th show. This time we didn’t hold our breath. Brzezinski boasted in 1998 that 6 months before the Soviet invasion,”President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime.., this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention… drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap.”
On Maddow’s show Brzezinski stated that “the Taliban …is an Afghan movement.” As top national security advisor on the National Security Council, Brzezinski was in charge of the CIA’s Directorate of Operations. Brzezinski should have known what Charles Cogan, chief of the Near-East South-Asia Division in the Directorate of Operations of the CIA from 1979 to 1984 has already stated in the interest of full disclosure.
“The Taliban, a postwar phenomenon, was created initially as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Pakistani ISI in 1992, with the purpose of having a friendly regime in Afghanistan and thereby assuring Pakistan’s strategic depth.” Charles G. Cogan is quoted from a World Policy Journal article from September 22, 2008
Brzezinski states on Maddow’s show to millions of people that the Taliban ( think Nazi’s invading Poland) was indigenous to Afghanistan. For reasons we do not know, Maddow doesn’t question the veracity of this statement. Regardless of the reason, this is an excellent example of disinformation continuing to be laundered through the media as “fact.” As the media continues to present as the Taliban as a legitimate Afghan political movement, it has been forgotten that in the late 1990’s the UN labeled what the Taliban had done to Afghan women as Gender Apartheid. The current dialogue in the media is continuing to mislead the American people on Afghanistan just as Dan Rather did in the 1980’s when the effects of Brzezinski’s plot to draw the Soviets into the Afghan trap was in high gear.
By Paul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould, www.invisiblehistory.com
1. June 24 7:00 pm we’ll be speaking at Brooklyn for Peace
Brooklyn Friends Meeting House, 110 Schermerhorn St., (between Brooklyn Br Blvd & Smith St)
What fallacy?
By Davidson, Carl at Jun 26, 2009 19:33 PM
As a former Logic instructor in the university, I'm familiar with logical fallacies of all sorts, and fail to see how my query about whether the writer favored the Soviet invasion constituted one, especially give the context I was referring to, which was not the quality, or lack thereof, of Rather's reporting.
A simple statement declaring the the Soviets should have stayed out, and the Afghans were right to be opposed to their occupation, would have sufficed for an answer--to me anyway. I'm not sure what others may have had in mind
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Re: What fallacy?
By McGehee, Michael at Jul 30, 2009 08:10 AM
the fallacy that correcting history somehow translates into defending the soviet invasion.
the Taliban offered to handover bin Laden therefore pointing this out must mean I defend the Taliban rule, right?
the Spanish didnt sink the Maine therefore I am defending the Spanish imperialism, right?
Fitzgerald and Gould corrected Rather's false claims and you suggested a fallacy in that that must mean they defend the Soviet invasion.
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No Assertion
By Davidson, Carl at Jun 25, 2009 17:46 PM
I didn't make an assertion, I asked a pointed question.
What provoked it was not disagreement or critcisms of Rather, but this sentence:
'The war inAfghanistan was a civil war between progressive modernists who advocated women's rights and a secular state versus extremist Islamists backed by the United States , China , Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who wanted to turn back the clock to the medieval era. Women's rights had been a spark in that war.'
It's a fair implication that this suggests that the Soviet invasion was of the side of 'progressive modernism' against 'medievalism' backed by the US. And that if that is the case, one might consider supporting it. I don't agree with any of that, but I asked if the author really wanted to go there.
My query still stands, and has nothing to do with Dan Rather.
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Re: No Assertion
By McGehee, Michael at Jun 26, 2009 07:18 AM
carl, and impregnated in that "pointed question" was an assertion that is clear logical fallacy.
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Arrrrr
By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 24, 2009 23:59 PM
I know its the system, but I still like to rail against "liberals" who just cog along. Like Bill Maher, that guy is a turd. I'm an atheist but watching Religulous reminded just how stupid atheists can be too. It's not that the film doesen't have intelligent moments, but he never mentions the Palestinians even though he films significant parts of the movie in Israel. Neitther does he touch upon fanatical West Bank settlers. He calls this one hasidic guy one of the few anti-zionists jews and then doesen't let him say anything. WHAT THE @#!$ There are many Jews who oppose Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. He doesen't let the muslims speak either. Like the major news propaganda complexes, he chooses to avoid significant context. Some of this may be equally due to Borat director Larry Charles or to the fact that Maher is half jewish and the supposed secular nature of Israel. And Bill Maher is what passes for the left in the eyes of many Americans.
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Re: An Open Letter to Rachel Maddow about Afghanistan
By notme, at Jun 24, 2009 13:33 PM
I believe the point of the article was more a discussion of Mr. Rather's propaganda on Afghanistan rather than a discussion of whether the invasion of Afghanistan by the SU was appropriate. The line being discussed is what I'd call a 'throwaway' line. Its there to try to quickly give some background to American readers who probably don't know the history, and thus to support the point about Mr. Rather's propaganda.
What's fascinating is to connect the dots of what happens with that propaganda. Remember, it was one of Dan Rather's 'reports' on Aghanistan that Congressman Wilson saw (while sitting in a hot-tub with some Las Vegas hookers), and which thus inspired Mr. Wilson to appropriate millions in aid. That's how we came to be funding Osama Bin Laden's original efforts in Afghanistan.
So, nearly 30 years later, MSNBC is providing a spot for Mr. Rather to continue to repeat his propaganda. I suspect that the execs at MSNBC would object strongly if Ms. Maddow attempted to bring on people to give the real story. And, then of course, there's the absurdity of having the true terror 'mastermind' behind the 9-11 attacks on the air repeating his views. By this, I refer to Mr. Brezinski. He was the guy who started the domnioes falling. His attempt to give the Soviets 'their Vietnam' started the civil war there in the first place, which led to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism as the US was happend to train and arm any who would oppose our Soviet enemies.
The key to the whole article is its assist in understanding how propaganda works and the effects that it has over the long term. For whatever reason, CBS was willing to support misleading reports from Afghanistan by Mr. Rather. This propaganda led to US support for the 'Afghan rebels'. But of course, these terrorists we trained and armed with Stinger missiles didn't just go away when US policy no longer required them. A decade or so later, they show up in the US behind the 9-11 attacks. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the justifications of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, it was Mr. Brezinski's work to topple a somewhat progressive Soviet client state in Afghanistan that started all of this. When he pushed over that first domino, there was probably no one in Afghanistan talking about suicide attacks on the US. Two decades later, 9-11 occurred.
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A question
By Davidson, Carl at Jun 24, 2009 06:03 AM
Let me get this straight. Are you defending the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan here? I wouldn't want that albatross around my neck. Making revolution, including women's rights, in countries that are largely tribal and deeply patriarchal, is a lot more complicated than seizing power in the capital and issuing edicts.
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Re: A question
By Ammen, Catherine at Jun 24, 2009 09:10 AM
I agree, i don't think the Soviet Union's invasion can be defended under any circumstance, despite US officials' desires for having them do so. Otherwise, it seems that the logic of the arguement could support our invasion of Vietnam, in that we were lured into it. While the US does have a dirty past, the Soviet invasion was also wrong, and blame can't be passed off.
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Re: Re: A question
By McGehee, Michael at Jun 24, 2009 09:18 AM
logical fallacy
look it up, you two.
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Re: Re: Re: A question
By Ammen, Catherine at Jun 24, 2009 09:29 AM
- What are you saying is a logical fallacy?
I agree with the article for the most part, but this sentence stuck out at me.
"The Soviets tried to avoid invadingAfghanistan for months prior to December of 1979. "
I just don't think any superpower unwillingly invades.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: A question
By McGehee, Michael at Jun 24, 2009 12:07 PM
"What are you saying is a logical fallacy?"
That when Fitzgerald corrects the inaccuracies of history this somehow translates into him defending the Soviet invasion.
This is a logical fallacy.
It is the same logical fallacy that apologists for US aggression used against Chomsky on Cambodia. When the latter pointed out the truth his detractors said he was defending Polpot.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A question
By Ammen, Catherine at Jun 24, 2009 12:49 PM
“It is the same logical fallacy that apologists forUS aggression used against Chomsky on Cambodia . When the latter pointed out the truth his detractors said he was defending Polpot.”
I agree that your example is a logical fallacy, I disagree that it applies in this case. While I doubt the article had any intention of casting theSoviet Union in a positive light, the quotes below suggest the Soviets were an unwilling invader.
“The Soviets tried to avoid invadingAfghanistan for months prior to December of 1979. They warned the Marxist party in Kabul in no uncertain terms that they were not a broad enough political party to govern Afghanistan .”
"Even secretary of defense Robert Gates and former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski have both publicly boasted that they intentionally set out to lure the Soviets into their ownVietnam quagmire.”
Applying blame to the Soviets should not (and was never meant to) detract from US culpability. I think we are all on the same side here - that theUS invasion of Afghanistan is atrocious and a mess.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A question
By McGehee, Michael at Jun 24, 2009 13:11 PM
it does apply in this case too. why wouldnt it? How is it any different from Chomsky saying, "the Western account on Cambodia is exaggerated"? Fitzgerald is saying "the Western account on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is exaggerated" and then he points to the indisputable record of how that is so.
Paul pointed out what Rather said on Maddow's show and has shown how it is false. Just look at the book and the online page for the book to see the information. It's there.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A question
By Ammen, Catherine at Jun 24, 2009 13:26 PM
Sigh… it is different because that is not what I said. Yes,US media uses propaganda, not disputing that. However, my understanding of Soviet atrocities in Afghanistan does not come from Dan Rather. Anyways, I won’t beat the dead horse any longer. I think we are disagreeing about different things.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A question
By McGehee, Michael at Jun 25, 2009 07:29 AM
Catherine, we are not disagreeing on different things. Both you and Carl made the assertion that Paul's pointing out the factual record as opposed to the inaccurate description provided by Dan Rather, equates to defending the Soviet invasion. There is no equation. To try and make the equation is a logical fallacy.
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Re: An Open Letter to Rachel Maddow about Afghanistan
By notme, at Jun 24, 2009 02:12 AM
The problem isn't so much the individual. Its the role the individual has to play, and the limits placed on them when they accept the role. So, instead so much of complaining personally about Ms. Maddow, instead the criticism should include MSNBC. You should of course let Ms. Maddow know of your opinions, but make it clear that it is MSNBC that is broadcasting the misleading propaganda (again.)
Think back a little bit to what we know now of the Phil Donahue show on the same MSNBC network. We know for instance that he we required by mgmt to have two conservative guests on for every 'liberal'. Or that some guests were only allowed on if 'balancing' conservatives were on at the same time. The point is that Ms. Maddow might not have full control over which guests are on her show. Also, the publicity that people lijke Rather and Brezinski have gotten for decades make them both 'big names' that might boost ratings, which is another point her bosses are likely to make when discussing which guests she has on her show.
Any person who takes this sort of job is going to at best seem like a 'tepid liberal'. That's because that's the absolute limit of what the mgmt at MSNBC (think Microsoft and GE) will allow on the air. This is even when people like Donahue and Oberman have been some of their highest rating shows. The last point is interesting because the people running the network have shown they are willing to cancel their highest rated show at the time (Donahue) because they did not want a 'liberal' voice on the air during a war. That clearly shows they have other interests they follow other than just making the most money. Which in this case probably means that GE makes a lot more money from wars and right wing policies than what any left-wing host can give them from a show on their TV network.
Then, when you think of the contrast of the careers of people who are limited because of the politics compared to someone like Rather who's blatant propaganda reports from Charlie Wilson's war didn't get him fired or reprimanded for stretching the truth. Instead, he gets the anchor desk that Cronkite used to man. Just shows how the US propaganda system works. Who gets promoted, who doesn't. Which voices do you hear, and which you do not.
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Good Luck
By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 23, 2009 23:59 PM
Maddow is a tepid "liberal" who pretends to be progressive but in the end just accepts loads and loads of heinous shit in the name of being sensible.
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letter to rachel
By Ammen, Catherine at Jun 23, 2009 22:49 PM
i sent an email to rachel@msnbc.com
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