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Anti-Capitalism Goes Mainstream


Michael Moore's New Film Names the System and Presents a Radical Democratic Critique



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Capitalism: A Love Story, which opened in 962 theaters earlier this month, is Michael Moore's most ambitious work yet - taking aim at the root cause behind the injustices he's exposed in his other films over the last 20 years. This time capitalism itself is the culprit to be maligned in Moore's trademark docu-tragi-comic style. And by using the platform of a major motion picture to make a direct assault at the root of the problem, Moore has created space in the political mainstream for a radical conversation (radical meaning "going to the root").

 

It's a conversation that is desperately needed as the economic crisis continues to devastate low- and middle-income Americans in spite of President Obama's and Congress' efforts to stop the bleeding by throwing trillions of dollars at the banks. Yesterday, Democracy Now! reported that while the Dow Jones topped 10,000 for the first time in a year, foreclosures have reached a record level of 940,000 in the third quarter. But with this film airing in major chain cinemas across the nation, the normally taboo topics of how wealth is divided, who owns Congress, and how vital economic decisions are made are now open for discussion in a way they haven't been in the U.S. for decades.

 

In Capitalism, Michael Moore features the reality of the economic crisis for America's usually-invisible poor and working class. The movie begins with a family filming their eviction from their own home. In a terrifying scene, we watch from inside their living room window as 7 police cars roll up to throw the ill-fated family onto the street for failing to make their payments. Moore explained in an interview, "You see [a foreclosure] really for the first time from the point of view of the person being thrown out of the house." This same bottom-up viewpoint carries the audience through the rest of the film, from the stories of kids in Pennsylvania sent to private detention centers for minor offenses by judges who received kickbacks from the prison company, to airline pilots whose wages are so low they have to go on food stamps.

 

By grounding the viewers in the human costs of out-of-control capitalism, Moore finds firm footing for launching his attacks on the Wall St. firms who he believes are responsible for this crisis. As the film points out, the richest 1% of Americans now control more wealth than the bottom 95%, a sorry state of affairs that has grown steadily worse since the 1980s. Ronald Reagan, Alan Greenspan, and his two buddies Larry Summers and Robert Rubin are implicated in Capitalism as responsible parties behind the gutting of regulations and the deliverance of the federal government into the hands of the bankers.

 

Michael Moore's conversations with congressmen and women about the $700 billion bank bailout passed last October best illustrate this transfer of sovereignty. The congresspeople are remarkably candid in their dismay at what was essentially a blank check to Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and Citigroup. Representative Baron Hill from Indiana recounts that the bailout bill was pushed through Congress in a similar manner as the Iraq War authorization, under threat of catastrophe and terror. Marcy Kaptur, congresswoman from Ohio, however, does one better. "This was almost like an intelligence operation," she laments. And when Moore asks her if the bailout represents a "financial coup d'etat" by the bankers, she responds, "I could agree with that. Because the people here [pointing to the Capitol] really aren't in charge. Wall Street is in charge."

 

We also witness Kaptur's courageous honesty on the floor of the House, urging Americans to resist foreclosure by remaining in their homes. Detroit sheriff Warren Evans stands out as another hero in the film when he announces he will cease foreclosure evictions in his jurisdiction because of the damage to the community caused by making more houses vacant and more families homeless. Moore also features grassroots organization Take Back the Land, which has dramatically responded to the crisis by moving evicted families back into their homes in the Miami area.

 

Regular folks fighting back against a system that is depriving them of income, housing, health care and other basic needs is inspiring stuff to watch, and it's not something we're used to seeing up on the big screen. Capitalism displays this grassroots defiance surprisingly well by humanizing those on the bottom of the pyramid. One man whose farm is foreclosed angrily warns, "There's got to be some kind of rebellion between people who've got nothing and people who've got it all." His words are buttressed by a behind-the-scenes look at Republic Windows & Doors, where laid-off workers occupied their Chicago factory and refused to leave until receiving their promised severance pay. For Moore this represents the kind of direct action that everyday people must now begin to take to protect themselves from having to pay for the misdeeds of the wealthiest one percent.

 

This call to action is well taken. However, one piece lacking in the film's analysis of capitalism is how the system of economic power interlocks with other structures of oppression, for example U.S. imperialism, patriarchy and white supremacy. Capitalism affects different people in extremely different ways, and while some fear losing their jobs, others fear imprisonment, rape, or even being hit by a drone attack. But Michael Moore seems to avoid a conversation about racism, sexism and homophobia in order to appeal to a mythical homogeneous American working class. And besides a brief comparison to Rome, the movie also shies away from discussing the U.S. role in the world and how a militaristic foreign policy serves the interests of corporate and financial elites - even though opposition to the wars in Afghanistan/Pakistan and Iraq have never been greater.

 

Another weakness is how Moore handles Barack Obama with kid gloves. Even while his economic advisers are skewered in the film, President Obama's role in the bank bailouts is downplayed, and he comes out looking like a champion of the people, or at least a potential champion. In this respect Michael Moore bestows honors like the Nobel Committee, not so much for what the president has done, but for the "hope" of what he might do.

 

So what does Michael Moore propose as an alternative to capitalism? Not socialism, but a kind of economic democracy - an opportunity for average folks to have a say in how their money is used, from the workplace on up to the government. Moore takes us inside co-ops in America where workers vote on decisions about finances democratically, and where salaries are equal and adequate for everyone in the company. In one factory, assembly line workers and the CEO each make about $60,000.

 

To reinforce his economic prescription, Moore even dug through archives to recover lost footage of FDR's long-forgotten proposal for a "Second Bill of Rights," which called for guaranteeing meaningful work and a living wage, decent housing, adequate medical care, and a good education for every American. It is striking how such common-sense ideas in our current political climate appear dangerously radical, even coming from the lips of a U.S. president. It seems the overriding purpose of Capitalism: A Love Story is to flip these expectations on their heads. For Michael Moore, guaranteeing basic economic security is as American as apple pie; what is radical is a system that would deny such prosperity to bolster the wealth of a tiny few.

 

If there is to be any solution to the economic crisis that doesn't involve millions more people thrown out of their homes or dropped from their health care, it will have to involve a sharp break from a system that values private profits higher than meeting people's basic needs. To this end, Michael Moore has done a great public service by making a film that is essentially an invitation for views outside the bounds of established mainstream discourse to propose what might be done about the economic quagmire we now find ourselves in. It is time for an American Left to come out of the wilderness and speak out with proposals for better ways of organizing our economy. I see no reason to be any less bold than President Roosevelt was 65 years ago.

Here is an excerpt from President Roosevelt's 1944 "Second Bill of Rights" speech:

 

"We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

 

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

 

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

 

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

 

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

 

Among these are:

 

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

 

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being."

 

 

Alex Knight is an organizer and writer in Philadelphia. He is currently organizing with Philly Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and the People's Caravan, which recently completed a story-listening and action trip to the G20 summit in Pittsburgh. He also maintains the website endofcapitalism.com and is in the process of writing a book called The End of Capitalism. He can be reached at activistalex@gmail.com

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By Degrees, Freedom at Oct 19, 2009 23:59 PM

 

Ah civilized discourse... - conveniently avoiding the topic of Creationism, Evangelical Bible Camps,  religious fundamentalism of all types in America. Nowadays, in America one can criticize capitalism, the military, the nation, but religion? Clearly it is one of the strongest forms of social coercion in the USA yet....untouchable. And defended by the so-called progressives from any significant kind of criticism.
 
...Now really, was I suggesting that atheists automatically become morally superior with the simple formula of choosing to be atheist? that seems a  mighty reductionist argument  of my long-winded comments ..I sure wish that I could write that succinct though.... if that were what I were trying to say...
 
It is of course possible to be atheist for a variety of twisted selfish reasons (like you point out - Marquis de Sade or authoritarian communists like Stalin).  I must concur that  indeed it could simply be to obtain a sense of superiority or power over others (or emotional security perhaps). Nevertheless, it becomes pretty clear that whether they are atheist or satanic, that their actions give away their lack of ethics.
 
(I, on the hand, along with the other people in my village of atheists, still haven't gotten as emotionally insecure as them so I am not really as kinky as Mr. Sade or as heartless as Mr. Stalin. At  least not yet, but you never know, I am atheist!)
 
I hate to break it to you, despite my admittance that the simple choice to be an atheist isn't enough for moral superiority,  the atheist is of course intellectually superior to the Christian (if they understand that religion is delusional and unscientific). This alone does not in any way mean moral superiority. And in no way was I suggesting this. Pardon the misunderstanding. This knowledge can be used morally or not.
 
Well, before I continue I must confess, you have me figured out and I  suppose I should lay all my cards on the table and stop wasting your time. I am not really Gramsi material or vanguard potential. I am really coming from a participatory democracy  perspective (which necessitates a critical thinking populace). If one believes that people can be empowered in this way, (which I do) one has to believe that the people can't base lives and arguments on delusional fantasies (like religion or any other ideology based on irrational and immoral beliefs) without serious repercussions on their individual autonomous choices and beliefs. I suspect that when one argues for religion (if understanding that intellectual autonomy is at risk) one is guilty of  paternalism and is not truly interested in a liberation of the masses but a transfer of power to the new vanguard.
 
From my un-Gramsian quality of perspective, I think it is elementary understanding of revolutionary theory that true revolution can only occur when people realize its (revolution's) necessity  themselves, not when they. are coerced. Not when an authoritarian and convinced minority decides it is time.  Unless we want to repeat history....that is clear as a bell to me.
 
Or maybe if we bring on a good ol' American religious Stalin type, mustache and all, we can have a Christian dictatorship where we pretend that Christianity is iberating just like good ol'  Soviet totalitarianism was?
 
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems paternalists from left and right love someone who is irrational and easy to be manipulated like the religiously uncritical. In our times of highly developed propaganda and manufacture of consent (I do love Chomsky!) this is incredibly dangerous. An uncritical thinker doesn't stand a chance of filtering the media disinformation anymore than they have in knowing right from wrong in the Bible. The leftists who encourage Biblical infantilism must like the fact that they have sheep for leftists. Critical thinkers are obviously far less likely to be manipulated than people who tend to believe in childish fantasies. But they are just too darn indedendent and democratic for the our favourite vanguard's liking (even if they are not single-handedly starting revolutions like they think they are Gramsci or something...some people...)
 
I must confess though, with all due respect (especially considering my unrevolutionary potential), that I  find yours and Mr. Harrington's assumptions that ‘standards for ethical behaviour are lost outside of religion' to be quite simply, ahem...laughable. I see Feminism, Gay rights, and the ecological movement, as scathing critiques of religion, reactions against Christianity's horrendous treatment of human rights and lack of respect for the Earth. Some of the greatest heroes in history were militant atheists reacting against the dogmas of the religious right. Yet you conveniently only like to remember the worst atheists, or maybe ones who qualify atheism with false assumptions about where ethical behaviour comes from, like Michael Harrington.
 
I am all for the believers and non-believers to unite in the cause for social justice. I wouldn't toss the religious person out of the single payer movement or even the socialist movement because I know that their religious beliefs are infantile, anymore than I would throw a child onto the street because he believes in Santa Claus. But in the process, the critical atheist cannot stop believing that the adult Christian is delusional and challenging him when it is so critically obvious. Compassion is after all about challenge as much as it is about acceptance.  Is it putting oneself on a moral pedestal when one challenges anothers intellectual beliefs?  Clearly not in this case , because the challenge is not morally-oriented. It is intellectually-oriented. Without intellectual and moral challenge, humans don't evolve intellectually or morally. Moral challenge in the context of religion is reserved for those who knowingly understand the coercive nature of religion. Intellectual challenge is reserved for those who don't seem to be presenting critically intelligent arguments.
 
Atheists are also often irrational and immoral of course too. We are after all only human, not red devils as is often assumed. There just isn't a book to help us along the path to true devilishness. We need to figure out our own path. Hopefully, we will go down the path of reason and morality. But it is hard. Every religious person thinks we  have no ethics or sense of belonging. Maybe if you say it enough, it will become true? But we poor lonely creatures of a naive vision of a future, empowered, democratic, vanguardless, classless society continue to believe that it has to be done of our own free choice with no short-cuts.  We believe (or at least I do, I can't speak for the others, whoever they are, you actually think atheists have friends?) that atheism is a great avenue for critical thinking (!)and that there are plenty of incredibly moral atheists to learn about and be inspired by. Remember, nobody coerced us into it. We didn't live in the Soviet Union!  And through it all, I am deeply convinced that the worst start possible is the brainwashing and child abuse of Biblical  or Koran-like horror stories from a ripe young age. And isn't it incredible tthat America is the most violent, brainwashed, morally corrupt, '1st world' country in the world? But with all that moral education from religion. How? Why? By far the  most religious 1st world country... I guess it just a coincidence. Can't religion take at least some of the blame? A little accountability please!
 
*All apologies to the mythical post-modern harmony seeker,  but all opinions are not equal when evidence is weighed. Speaking of which, not sure how I can be accused of not considering contrary evidence. I have listened, rejected, and presented contrary arguments to every single thing you have thrown at me. Can you say the same?  But hey, I ain't Gramsci, am I? So what do I expect?
 
Tirelessly lovin' every minute of it,
 
Mike
 

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Re: avoidance?

By Burke, Richard at Oct 19, 2009 19:52 PM

You're simply being a bigot, and consequently, not worth talking to.

P.S. I'm not a Christian, I'm a Buddhist

 

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Re: Re: avoidance?

By Corbett, Jean-Francois at Oct 21, 2009 08:58 AM

I really wish people would refrain from ad hominem attacks and especially from name-calling. It just defiles this debate forum. It's really a disgrace.

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Re: Anti-Capitalism Goes Mainstream

By Degrees, Freedom at Oct 18, 2009 23:59 PM

About Sam Harris: Harris has argued about questioning the relative morality of collateral damage and judicial torture during war. In a response to the controversy caused by this argument, Harris stated, "[I]f you think it is ever justifiable to drop bombs in an attempt to kill a man like Osama bin Laden (and thereby risk killing and maiming innocent men, women, and children), you should think it may sometimes be justifiable to "water-board" a man like Osama bin Laden." Ultimately, Harris maintains that torture should remain illegal, and that comparing torture with collateral damage does not cause him to see torture as "acceptable." However, he believes that discussion is needed on the coherence of our beliefs regarding the two. (Wikipedia) Voltaire's genius in his critiques on religion unfortunately cannot be extended to his theories on democracy and his opinions on Jewish people. But that is hardly suprising for his time. I don't think we should burn his works anymore than we should burn the genocidal Bible. We just need to continue critically analyzing his works and the Bible's works without falling into the trap of glorifying either one. The actions of Stalin,Mao and Pol Pot are indefensible. But I can give you a list of horrible religious people if you like... I find it very revealing that you think the Marquis de Sade and his 'sexual perversions' are your 'favourites'. I would say that just about sums up perfectly what traditional religious priorities have been obsessed about.

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By Burke, Richard at Oct 19, 2009 00:04 AM

I think it is a basic rule of civilized discourse that there is no religious or philosophical position which guarantees the moral behavior of its adherents, or confers moral superiority on them. This rule is often violated by religious fundamentalists. Increasingly it is violated by atheist fundamentalists like yourself. Both types display an intolerable self righteousness. That, more than "believing in absurdities," will lead to atrocities as people like Stalin so clearly show. The example of de Sade shows that there is no logical connection between disbelief in religion and ethical behavior, which people like you constantly ignore. This is because your position is based on sentimentalism, not reason or logic.

 Congratulations on having created a successful movement towards socialism. No doubt you could show Gramsci a thing or two about constructing hegemony, since everyone wishes to join your revolution. At this rate we'll get a single payer system before I retire and socialism sometime before I die!

 

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By Burke, Richard at Oct 19, 2009 00:05 AM

I think it is a basic rule of civilized discourse that there is no religious or philosophical position which guarantees the moral behavior of its adherents, or confers moral superiority on them. This rule is often violated by religious fundamentalists. Increasingly it is violated by atheist fundamentalists like yourself. Both types display an intolerable self righteousness. That, more than "believing in absurdities," will lead to atrocities as people like Stalin so clearly show. The example of de Sade shows that there is no logical connection between disbelief in religion and ethical behavior, which people like you constantly ignore. This is because your position is based on sentimentalism, not reason or logic.

 Congratulations on having created a successful movement towards socialism. No doubt you could show Gramsci a thing or two about constructing hegemony, since everyone wishes to join your revolution. At this rate we'll get a single payer system before I retire and socialism sometime before I die!

 

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By Burke, Richard at Oct 19, 2009 00:05 AM

I think it is a basic rule of civilized discourse that there is no religious or philosophical position which guarantees the moral behavior of its adherents, or confers moral superiority on them. This rule is often violated by religious fundamentalists. Increasingly it is violated by atheist fundamentalists like yourself. Both types display an intolerable self righteousness. That, more than "believing in absurdities," will lead to atrocities as people like Stalin so clearly show. The example of de Sade shows that there is no logical connection between disbelief in religion and ethical behavior, which people like you constantly ignore. This is because your position is based on sentimentalism, not reason or logic.

 

 

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By Burke, Richard at Oct 19, 2009 08:48 AM

One more thing: I have no argument with the honest atheist who simply doesn't believe, but claims no moral superiority for doing so! In 1983 a book called "The Politics at God's Funeral: The Spiritual Crisis of Western Civilization" was published. The author, Michael Harrington,was both an atheist and a socialist. His book however shows sensitivity and insight into the problems of the loss of belief as a force of social integration. One of these is the loss of any standard for ethical behavior and "the danger of proclaiming men and women as the lords and ladies of the universe as they are manifested in a purely technological and instrumental attitude towards nature." The book is a call for believers and non-believers to unite in the cause of social justice.

No such subtlety from our current crop of "Village Atheists." They know they are morally superior- just because they say so!  Any reasoning, any evidence to the contrary is ignored. This is because their position is essentially emotional. Their position is held for emotional security and a false sense of their own superiority.

 Over to you Mr. Thompson.

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Re: Anti-Capitalism Goes Mainstream

By Degrees, Freedom at Oct 18, 2009 21:05 PM

The allegation that Bertrand Russell approved of a nuclear strikes is quite unconvincing. It is true that many understood Russell's comments from a speech in 1948 to mean that Russell approved of a first strike in a war with the USSR. Others, who obtained a transcript of the speech, have argued that he was merely explaining the usefulness of deterring the USSR from continuing its domination of Eastern Europe. The latter is far more convincing especially considering that he was one of America's most important anti-war activists and anti-imperialists. Russell was imprisoned for his pacifist activism during World War I, campaigned against Adolf Hitler, for nuclear disarmament, and the USA's involvement in the Vietnam War.

 

 

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Re: Anti-Capitalism Goes Mainstream

By Degrees, Freedom at Oct 18, 2009 08:57 AM

 

Thanks for your replies Richard and Carl,

As mass agitators standing up for socialism let's continue this discussion:

As far as another film 'about Marxism for a small group of people', I think you missed my point. We need entertaining and critical, thought-provoking films in the mainstream about ideas like Socialism, Marxism, and Anarchism, so that people can make their own choices about them and understand them. They should not be subjects for a marginal elite.

I expected many people to disagree with me about the 'religion problem' in the US. And I think it is a very important issue that is clearly  ongoing and (as much as some on the left may not like it) it will not go away anytime soon.

The argument that atheists are dividing the left by alienating the religious left inspires me to raise this question:

Is it possible to think biblically and critically?

If one thinks it is possible, one should actually read the Bible. I don't think any critical thinker could read through it and come out thinking it is good idea to encourage people to continue believing in it. And I would argue that for America to ever truly radicalize, it will be an important step to realize this. 

The left can gloss over this if they like, and think of religion as harmless nonsense. Is it harmless when a leftist believes in Creationism when all evidence points to the contrary?  Is it harmless to know that this person cannot apply elementary systems of rational thought? This is the revolutionary critical thinker we are looking for on the left? If after contemplating this,  and we still think that religion is harmless nonsense, there should be at least a hint of suspicion of paternalistic leaders looking for sharp-toothed sheep to have power over. As Voltaire says: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

We must not forget that one of the most importants tasks on the radical left is to challenge lack of reason. We can't readily do this by accepting religion as a critical principle. We of course do need to respect religious believers as people, but we don't need to respect the idea of religion.

Let's briefly go back to The Bible: It gets even worse. After reading it, you will find that it is homophobic, sexist, child-abusing, and incredibly violent (amongst many other generally socially unaceptable things). Oh, but don't worry - if you want peace you can find peaceful verses. That doesn't change the fact that you can find plenty of bellicose verses too... So take whatever you like...That is an open invitation to extremism. But if you are looking for consistency in the Bible then that would be the great job it does of keeping us looking to the sky for a hero.

Sam Harris (in a Letter to a Christian Nation) sums it up the best and the scariest:

It is not an exaggeration to say that if the city of New York were suddenly replaced by a ball of fire, some significant percentage of the American population would see a silver-lining in the subsequent mushroom cloud, as it would suggest to them that the best thing that was ever going to happen was about to happen: the return of Christ. It should be blindingly obvious that beliefs of this sort will do little to help us create a durable future for ourselves - socially, economically, environmentally, or geopolitically. Imagine the consequences if any significant component of any US government actually believed that the world was about to end and that its ending would be glorious. The fact that nearly half the American population apparently believes this, purely on the basis of religious dogma, should be considered a moral and intellectual emergency.

 So, shall we continue 'mythologizing the unification of the working class'  (in Alex Knight's words) by suggesting religion is a critical and unifying option? Clearly it doesn't unify in any real way unless you count brainwashing as unification. 

Speaking of unity (without forgetting diversity),  let's not forget how many atheists and agnostics there are (who can also be alienated)! American polls suggest that atheists and agnostics far outnumber religious Jews, and even outnumber most other religious groups. Unlike Jews and Evangelicals though, atheists and agnostics are totally disorganized and have very little influence. (This is because we tend to think independently and don't like to conform to authority. )Essentially, we need to 'come out of the closet', make  more noise, not less.

It has been suggested (by Richard Dawkins) that religion is actually a form of delusion. And I tend to agree although perhaps the word is a bit strong, it doesn't change the truth of it. If you suspected your brother of being delusional, you would probably get him professional help, if you cared for him at all. And in fact, the ultimate disrespect to him would be to treat his ideas like harmless nonsense. Religion though is even worse. Persistent beliefs despite strong contradictory evidence on a mass scale (delusion) is actually a danger to society as a whole.

So really, who is dividing America? Whining atheists and agnostics? It is pretty clear that religious fundamentalism is responsible for the schism. The answer to this is not to accept religion as an idea, or even to compromise to it. Where do we get by pretending religion hasn't been 99% of the time a right-wing authoritarian institution? The fact that the majority of Americans are religious does not mean we should consider it okay.

What about all the world leaders who claim to be religious? Many people (Noam Chomsky included)have raised the question of whether so-called religious people who are world leaders are really religious. It is pretty hard to believe anybody intelligent is religious after you have read the Holy Book's nonsense. Chomsky concludes that the majority must be lying ( to get elected for example) about their religious beliefs. Martin Luther King was certainly a spectacular and interesting exception, but if there was one thing he wasn't using his critical thought about, it was in not realizing that religion generally doesn’t promote critical thought.

But from a positive and practical standpoint, the fact that Mr. King was religious gave him direct access to reach the hearts of many more people than if he were atheist. After he passed away, it was very obvious that there were no more leaders equal to him in influence and there probably haven't been since.  In a critical thinking populace there should be  millions to take over the reins. If there isn't, we are talking about hero worship not people power. 

All this should have us reach the conclusion that an umempowered religious and necessarily uncritical majority is not capable of radical leftist change. But many left-unity seekers would have the atheists dump their so-called 'crass materialism' while 'slothful relapses into infantile fantasies' of religion that are less threatening to the status quo are okay-ed. You choose if you think that is a step in the right direction.

We have now come full circle to a fictionally-radicalized Michael Moore asking Mr. Blitzer, 'What do you think socialism is?'

And we wonder why the left is in disarray?

Always a pleasure,

Mike Thompson

*Consult Bertrand Russell, Richard Dawkins, and Richard Stenger (amongst others) for well-developed arguments about science and religion.

 

 

 

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By Burke, Richard at Oct 18, 2009 20:31 PM

Voltaire was an anti-semite. He was no friend of democracy but simply wanted his patrons to behave like good philosopher kings. No doubt he knew all the laws of nature, and thus could judge in advance what was and was not an absurdity. Too bad he didn't pass his knowledge on to us, it would have saved us so much trouble. After all we still labor under the delusion that fossils are the remains of extinct animals, whereas he could have told us they were simply the remains of lunches left by ancient travelers.

Sam Harris believes that torture is a proper way to deal with terrorists. No doubt he is a good model of ethical action. Bertrand Russel urged the U. S. to launch an atomic attack against the U.S.S.R. before they got the bomb.

Lets not forget such worthies as Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, who would never have persecuted anyone for their religious beliefs. Everyone knows it is much more pleasant to be killed for purely secular reasons. One's family and friends are so much relieved!

My favorite atheist, rationalist and materialist thinker is the Marquis de Sade, who, starting from those premises, demonstrated with rigorous logic that the only proper ethical course of action is the pursuit of evil, of selfish advantage and pleasure at everyone else's expense.

 

 

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By Davidson, Carl at Oct 17, 2009 07:46 AM

Michael Moore brilliantly does mass agitation here, fanning the flames of discontent against capitalism, with arguments that can unite a progressive majority, including his use of religion and call for economic democracy.

There is another film one could make, the aim of which could be to unite a militant minority around Marxism, revolutionary program and organization and such. If someone wants to make it, fine, it too can be useful.

But right now, having been in the theater in Pittsburgh with all the union folks at the premier. I'm glad Moore made this one.

Besides, why is it a weakness to say you're a religious democrat if that, indeed, is what you are? There are millions of such people in the country, and we need to unite and welcome them, not present them or think of them like it's some character flaw.

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By Degrees, Freedom at Oct 17, 2009 05:55 AM

 

Good analysis Alexander.
 
I think we can all agree that Michael's 'call to action is well-taken' and that he will indeed get people talking. Michael is a very talented filmmaker, can be (and is) a real help in inspiring America (and the world) to better things. And most importantly he has lots of potential to improve. 
 
But despite all his credentials and potentials as a propagandist for the left, I would like to see someone on the left elaborate on Michael's somewhat underdeveloped principles more.
 
As much as I am pleased that such a radical critique of capitalism (at least compared to the typical film) has occurred in the mainstream; I don’t think it goes far enough:
 
 When interviewed about the film with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Michael's weaknesses of understanding became very clear.When he was asked about whether he is a socialist, he replies he is a religious democrat...
 
Okay, let's be honest here: first and foremost, religion is a huge problem in the US contributing to a form of social backwardness not seen in almost any other 'developed country' eg. a huge amount of  people believe in Creationism, 20-25% are Evangelicals which tend to like to send young children to fundamentalist bible training camps (see the documentary 'Jesus Camp'.) The number of fundamentalist Christians in other developed countries are not even in the same stratosphere of those of the US. That is very scary for the US future.
 
A 'democratic' community that is encouraged to not believe in critical thought (ie. religion) is obviously not very democratic. If Naomi Klein is right and it is true that Moore is America's teacher, and he is someone who calls himself religious, Moore needs to explain. One cannot separate religion from capitalist greed and economic power so easily in the US. If the economy cannot be separated from ''U.S. imperialism, patriarchy, homophobia and white supremacy', religion is certainly cannot either.
 
Another weakness, as you note, is how he handles Barack Obama. He (and so many others) need to get real about the capitalist side of Mr. Obama. But perhaps Michael is just guilty of catering to the ‘mythical homogenous working class’ and is buying into Obama’s speeches? Are Obama and Moore two sides of the same coin? Obama being the one who says it and Moore the one who believes it and propagates it. One is inspired to think of Barbara Ehrenreich's new book 'How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America.' But really how radical is someone who believes in the hope of corporate Obama?
 
Irregardless, once Michael Moore catches on to a few more things, and maybe I am being naive here, but perhaps he could humble himself and make a new, improved documentary with his skills at entertaining and have somebody like Noam Chomsky to consult with? Now that could be amazing!
 
Michael's proposed alternative to capitalism: 'Not socialism, but a kind of economic democracy - an opportunity for average folks to have a say in how their money is used' just means a rejection of the social side of socialism and a form of economic determinism.
 
 To have a far more revolutionary effect on people, when a so-called radical teacher of America is asked if he is a socialist, he could say something along the lines as:
 
'I recognize that a real democracy is participatory and democratic both economically and socially and has compassionate and visionary principles concerning homophobia, patriarchy, racism, imperialism, and ecology. A person who really believes in democracy recognizes that the corporate media ‘manufactures our consent’ and our education system indoctrinates. The media and education system should be taken completely out of the private spheres. Consequently, important historical ideas like Marxism, Leninism, and Anarchism (instead of being simply black-balled and followed up with witch hunts like the Red Purges), would be easily accessible and encouraged to study and things like Capitalism and neo-liberal economics would not be the only ideas in the mainstream. They would be studied and better understood within our mainstream educational systems and old ideas would be improved upon and new, visionary ideas like Participatory Economics would be created and tried out. Democratic unions and worker's councils would of course be brought back for all workers. Once at least all of these things are common sense, then maybe we can begin to start to call ourselves democratic. So, am I a socialist? Well, that depends what you mean by that. Because in our indoctrinated society, it is highly likely what you think is socialism is not the same as what I think. What do you think socialism is?'
 
But maybe that is too long-winded of an answer? With commericials and limited time, as Chomsky has said, it is very difficult to say what needs to be said. Moore's challenge should be to put at least the above elementary principles into a documentary (and into the answers he gives in his short interviews) into something well-thought-out, to the point and of course entertaining.
 
It’s been a pleasure,
 
Mike Thompson

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By Burke, Richard at Oct 17, 2009 08:16 AM

I'll agree with the critique of Michael Moore not identifying himself as a socialist as being something of a disappointment. Unless there is a systemic alternative to capitalism even the attempt to merely reform it is doomed to failure. Those in power don't grant reforms unless they feel their interests are threatened, as the recent controversy over health care and the public option should indicate. If they felt that socialism is a potential threat we would have had a single payer system long ago.

What I definitely disagree with is the anti-religious animus advocated. The left is in serious disarray, and has been totally ineffective lately. Part of the reason for this is that many leftists still insist on presenting atheism and materialism along with socialism as a kind of "package deal." This allows the right to posture as the defenders of spiritual values while all the while promoting policies that reek of the crassest materialism, while the left pats itself on the back for supposedly being too sophisticated for all that. Consequently we haven't gotten much  in the way of gains since the days of Martin Luther King Jr, a socialist- but a religious one!

 As for discussions of participatory economics, I'm o.k. with that, but how about discussing Pat Devine's even more empirically based "participatory planning through negotiated cooperation?" I'm not seeing that much discussed by the U.S. left.

 

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By Weglowski, Edward at Oct 20, 2009 17:04 PM

the answer everybody is looking for lies between meanings of knowing and believing - they don't come simultaneously in respect to an object

 

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