Chapter One: Crazy Patterns / First Draft
By Michael Albert at Sep 19, 2010 |
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[In the HelpAlbert group, members are interacting with Michael Albert about draft content for a new book, seeking to help make the book better than it would otherwise be. This is the first draft of chapter one.]
Many Sided Lives
Typically, and unarguably, we are born, nurtured, socialized, schooled, grow up, work for income, celebrate our particular heritage and beliefs, operate as citizens along with other citizens, romance partners, create families - and then it all happens again, assuming environmental disaster and war don’t get in the way.
Societies, unsurprisingly and unarguably, have important aspects that facilitate - or obstruct - each central part of life listed above including, more systematically, being born, nurtured, and socialized; contributing to society’s product and consuming from it; embodying a language, heritage, and broader culture; operating in accord with others via legislation, adjudication, and shared projects; enjoying or suffering environmental effects; and enjoying or suffering relations with other societies.
Therefore, obviously, to understand our situations and the societies we live in, even if only at at the most general level, we should at least understand these diverse aspects. We must do this first, because these aspects are always present as an inevitable part of socially organized life. And we must do it second, because these aspects are also always incredibly important and thus worthy of serious attention.
How society facilitates or obstructs critical parts of life affects our pleasure and pain. It helps determine who we are and what we can do. For that matter, it also helps determine what will be done to us.
We can think of these centrally important aspects of society as four flexible functions and two comprehensive contexts.
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The four flexible functions are:
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- Procreation, nurturance, socialization, and sexual interaction of genders, family members, and the young and old - and we call this the kinship sphere of life.
- Acculturation, language acquisition and use, and identity formation and celebration of races, ethnic groups, religions, and other cultural communities - and we call this the cultural or community sphere of life.
- Production, consumption, and allocation of society’s social product by producers and consumers - and we call this the economic sphere of life.
- Legislation, adjudication, and shared collective program of citizens - and we call this the political sphere of life.
- The two comprehensive contexts surrounding all societies are:
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- The natural environment and our relations to it - and we call this the ecology.
- The other societies in the world and our relations to them - and we call that international relations.
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The point is, simply by virtue of the fact that societies include large numbers of people interacting together, there can’t be a viable society without accomplishing certain centrally important kinship, cultural, economic, and political functions.
There can be no lasting society with no new generation born, socialized, etc. There can be no lasting society that doesn’t have people having cultures, sharing them, celebrating, conversing, etc. No lasting society can exist without production occuring, allocation of the outputs, and their consumption. And there can be no lasting society without means of accommodating the choices of different individuals, including outlawing various actions and facilitating others, dealing with disputes, etc.
All history shows these four flexible functions are always addressed. And we of course also know by logic and experience that the natural environment and the international setting of other countries with their own social norms and relations inevitably exist and provide a space in which any society sits.
Again, the four societal spheres or realms encompassing the four flexible functions listed earlier are always present in society because the tasks they address are absolutely essential to human life and ties. The two encompassing contexts are always present, like the sun and moon, because without them there is nothing.
Okay, since it is undeniable that all societies have these aspects, it is also undeniable that we will be able to say more about societies if we can answer how, in particular, each society accomplishes the four flexible social functions. But why bother trying to understand society in the first place? And what makes these particular six aspects so special, as compared to any others we might list, that we should pay especially close attention to these, and not so close attention to many others one could list?
First, we need to understand society at all because we want to change it, and you can’t change something complex without understanding at least key aspects of it. But one might then ask, why do we need to change society, without which we wouldn’t need to understand it?
An analogy can orient our answer. A car is for transport. When do we need a new one? Clearly when our old one stops fulfilling its function and something better is available at a cost that doesn’t offset the benefits. The same holds for a light bulb, a pair of sneakers, or a paint brush. And the dynamic is only more complicated, but not different in kind, for an economy, culture, political system, kinship system, or all of those social spheres together - which is to say, for a whole society.
A society is a set of relations that enables is citizens to together accomplish key kin, cultural, economic, and political functions. If a society has means for this which fail to work well, and if social relations exist that would work significantly better, and if the costs of attaining the latter don’t outweigh the benefits or subvert them, then we need the new relations instead of the old relations. If the faults are deep and broad, and the alternatives are sufficiently different and better, then we need a whole new set of means of accomplishing the flexible functions, which is to say, we need a whole new society.
The logic of the societal case, again, is quite like needing a new car or lightbulb. If we are serious about our desires, and if our society does not mean them, and if a better way of arranging social life exists, and if attaining it won’t be unbearably costly, then surely we should want to attain that better way, thereby escaping the flawed way.
All that’s left, then, to make the case that we need to change society and therefore need to understand it, is to ask if our societies are failing to accomplish their necessary functions in a desirable manner.
Can there be any doubt about the answer? I hesitate to waste your time making this case because I think as a reader of this book you very likely already know that society is failing miserably. More, I think non readers of this book, everyone else, pretty much knows it too - that all typical citizens, deep down, know that society is failing, miserably.
Here are just a few reasons for this assertion. We all know that billions of people around the world live in abject poverty. We know even greater numbers of people lack the free time and healthy space to experience life fully and fruitfully. Even where more wealth exists and life lasts longer and is less hellish, we know dignity is almost impossible to come by. We know that lying, cheating, aggrandizing, and even killing are the basic touchstones of daily life, both personally and, far more damning, collectively - particularly where societies are more developed.
Look around. Why should survival require vicious venality? What we experience from birth to death, is not exactly a prescription for dignity, equity, and justice. Life as we all know it could obviously be much better.
The truth is that we all know that nearly everything is morally and even pragmatically broken. Our ways of accomplishing economics and politics and even culture and family life are not just a little damaged but rather thoroughly messed up down to their most basic attributes and in ways that impose horrendous costs on humanity.
Unemployment soars and financiers celebrate. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer - and Wall Street proclaim it an upturn. That is no way to conduct economic life.
Bombs burst all over daily lives and ideologues salute while arms makers celebrate bloated dividends and soldiers return home in bloated caskets, or even more often, anatomically or psychologically maimed.
Cynics barely touch the surface of how insane reality really is.
Producers of medicines, houses, food, and virtually everything else from violins to shotguns, pursue individual accumulation of profits for a few and not generalized well being and development for all. In fact, they are generally, overwhelmingly, oblivious to the latter, even as the latter is horrendously violated.
The weather around us blows on a doomsday trajectory while the rich and powerful sip margaritas on the deck of the Titanic. They look like ostriches with their heads in the sand ignoring or even aggressively denying the unfolding truth, but, in fact, it is worse. They are instead pigs with their snouts pushed into the trough by social requirements of their stature and comfort, unwilling to lift their heads and risk that stature and comfort even as disaster looms.
Every person who dies of preventable disease or starvation - and that is not thousands of people but tens of millions of people each year - was socially murdered, and it didn’t have to happen.
Every child that never gets to experience their own talents and capacities, and that never gets to enjoy a loving stable environment, and we are talking about the overwhelmingly majority of children, is a crime against young humanity, and it didn’t have to happen.
Every person, laboring year after year in boring or even debilitating conditions, wasting away faster than the clock ticks, with nearly no stature and only meager income, is one more soul subordinated to material greed and power, roughly 80% of us, or arguably more, and it didn’t have to happen.
The interpersonal rapes, thefts, and murders - but much more to the point, because it involves so many more victims, the large scale systematic bending of wills and motives and ensuing subordination and impoverishment of the many including their psychological rape, material denigration, and social and even biological murder, in order to super excessively feed the few who are so screwed up they barely even enjoy it involves a massively unjust misallocation of knowledge and it didn’t have to happen. In a rat race even the winners are rats.
Almost anything you consider, honestly, if you do a little poking around, turns out to be horrendously vile. Fifty thousand auto accident deaths yearly. A sensible society might have a few hundred, I would guess, probably less. Profit prohibits sanity. Not enough doctors and too high costs of medical care consigns many to permanent illness or death - again, because profit prohibits sanity. Schools teach most students to endure boredom and take orders, virtually the opposite of what any sane person would see as the sinews of a fine education - because profit prohibits sanity. And these are just ugly cliffs, sad as it is to say, on the top of the accumulating mountains of hunger, disease, and other deprivations at the very core of our social arrangements.
There is only one coherent or even moderately sane argument against undertaking a fundamental reconstitution of society on a new foundation. And even that one argument - which is the claim that revolutionary redefinition would only make things worse - is itself no more than a transparent lie.
The more basic claim that what we have ought to remain in place because it is good, isn’t even a sad joke. No one who isn’t delusional can honestly take that system-defending claim seriously. But the lie that any change would make things worse, which is admittedly very widely believed by very sane and caring people, is, as we will see, just rich and powerful people’s way to prop up injustice and, even more so, to rationalize their own part in that injustice.
So here is the upshot of answering the question, why should w try to understand society sufficiently to change it?
If you read this book and you think, (1) okay, I can see that a social system better than what we endure is possible. And (2) I can see how I can contribute to attaining that new social system, with a reasonable chance of success. Then, as best I can see, there will remain no worthy excuse to not partake in whatever ways you can sensibly and fruitfully manage, however limited or comprehensive, in the society changing project that offers our only real hope of becoming civilized rather than remaining barbaric and suffering continuing injustice and, ultimately, incredible calamity.
The Ties That Bind 1: Institutions
What is an institution? We all use the word fairly often, yet determining what we mean by “institution” turns out to require some special effort.
Let’s take the Pentagon in Washington DC.
Is it an institution? Yes, of course it is. Is the five sided big building what makes the Pentagon an institution? No, the Pentagon could be in any building and if we put other stuff in the building now housing the Pentagon, poof, it is no longer the Pentagon even though it still has five sides. Are the people who walk the Pentagon’s corridors what makes it an institution? No. If we replace its current people with new people it is still the same institution, albeit with different people. If we put the same people in the State Department, it is not suddenly the Pentagon.
So what is the heart of the Pentagon being an institution? I think the answer is a set of social relations, or roles.
In the Pentagon, for example, there are various positions with associated responsibilities and tasks and permissions. These are roles, or slots, that people fit into including, Chief of Staff, General, various kinds of lower official, division heads, technicians, secretary, and so on. And those roles, or slots, and the persisting ties among them and responsibilities and options, and limits, they convey, are the heart of the institution called the Pentagon.
Of course there is also the building and we can call it The Pentagon if we like, but it isn’t the institution. And there are the desks and computers, and so on. And they belong to the Pentagon, or are part of it, if you like, but not the essence. And there are the people. And it isn’t that the people don’t matter, of course they do, and for some purposes they are absolutely central. But nonetheless, they, like the building and tools can change, even totally, and the Pentagon will still be the same institution it was. The social relations, or roles, that define what people who are part of the Pentagon or affected by it can/will and cannot/won’t do, are the heart of the matter.
Think of a typical family, church, or school. Think of a typical legislature, factory, or market system. Think of a police department or the Center for Disease Control - and we could go on.
Each exists, typically, to accomplish some end or fulfill some set of functions, and in that regard they are a bit like society writ small. Society exists to allow its citizens to interact and accomplish a broad range of four flexible functions key to life. Institutions, such as those listed above, are similar, but usually address a smaller range of functions - household, religious, educational, etc.
Thus the Pentagon makes war and pursues, as well, some related matters. A family, church, school, legislature, factory, or the whole market system, exists, again, to accomplish some particular functions such as caring for kids, celebrating a shared set of values and ceremonies, conveying information and skills, establishing rules, producing outputs, and allocating goods, services, and workers.
If you want to partake of social functions, one way - and often the only way - in a particular society is to be part of the institutions that that society has for addressing those functions. And to do that you fill one or another role that those institutions offer, whether in a family, school, legislature, factory, or market - or affected by them.
Why do we care about this? Why are institutions - not so much the buildings they are in, the particular people in those buildings, or the equipment there, but mostly the social relations and roles defining the institutions - important things to think about in trying to understand society in order to change it?
Consider a corporation. It is an institution. Some of the roles are owner, manager, and worker. If you want to be part of the corporation and its functions, including, as one key reason, earning a living, you must fulfill the dictates and responsibilities or one or another role in the corporation. You might be its owner, taking immense profit and having to do nothing much for your great gain. You might be a manager - a ceo, cfo, engineer or whatever - doing a range of conceptual and empowered tasks with various relations to more rote workers below who you encounter, and to the owners above, who are your boss, as part of producing to enhance the owner’s profit while taking a considerable income for yourself. Or you might be a rote worker, say on an assembly line, doing largely or even entirely stultifying and disempowering tasks, and earning a modest or even a low income for your exertions.
Institutions are the vehicles of social engagement and life. Roles within institutions delimit and allow or even require us to engage in particular ways which in turn dramatically constrain who we can be and what we can enjoy or must suffer.
So the point is, we need to care about institutions because institutions create the arena in which we operate. We gain some benefits from them. We suffer some limitations due to them. The effects on us depend on our precise roles within or in relation to them.
The Ties That Bind 2: Beliefs
Who are we? That sounds like a football chant from some high school - “we are New Rochelle, mighty mighty New Rochelle...” Well, okay, but what I mean by “who are we?”, is, if institutions matter because of their impact on those who fill their roles, what characterizes us, as people who fill those roles?
Of course lots of things characterize us. Our relative heights and weights, hair color, favorite clothes color, TV taste, and so on, help characterize us. But a lot of this is like the peripheral attributes of institutions. Personal details are not the heart of the matter, and particularly they are not the heart of the matter when we are asking the question “who are we?” because we are trying to figure out what is important to understand about society in order to think broadly about how to effectively and dramatically change it.
We are, in answer to that question, people with certain preferences, knowledge, habits, and expectations, with certain desires and material and psychological interests, and with certain beliefs, as well. Considering a friend what matters most may well be what is most special, most unique, to that particular person. However, when thinking about a whole society, what matters most are features that recur in person after person, broadly throughout large groups, thus affecting many peoples’ behaviors and the impact they together have, and thus society more broadly, in large ways.
If everyone in society is hell bent on some pursuit, or shares some habit, or some belief, then that shared feature can significantly contour society, telling us a lot about it. Even if a pursuit, habit, or belief, is shared not by everyone, but by some large constituency, which may put it to use in blocking or pursuing social change, again, that is important to know about and to understand whereas some individual’s hair color, or even the number of people with red hair, just doesn’t matter much for society changing purposes.
As an example, if women accept that they are in some way inferior and deserve to be subordinate - that’s a big deal for society. Ditto if, instead, women become feminist, seeking new relations. The same holds, for example, for working people, or members of cultural communities. They might share pursuits, habits, or beliefs that cement them into subordination or that propel them into opposition. Other people may be wedded to domination and its perpetuation.
The idea is simple. An individual’s preferences, habits, and beliefs - their consciousness - can arise by way of a vast range of local and personal factors. Special nearly unique aspects may rise to paramount importance for that individual, or for a friend of hers. But when we are talking about society, we want to know if a whole substantial group shares preferences, habits, and or beliefs, and if so, we can be pretty sure it is similarly rooted for each person. Widely shared consciousness typically arises at least in large part from all the people involved filling at least significantly similar roles in some institution or set of related institutions, thus developing in common the attributes that their similar roles impose.
One mother, one Catholic, one owner, one worker, one elected official will have many preferences, habits, and beliefs that are unique to their own personal experiences - but - they are also likely to have many preferences, habits, and beliefs in common with other mothers, Catholics, owners, workers, or elected officials due to sharing the roles and their implications.
What emerges from the above simple observations is that institutions are important for two reasons. First, they facilitate some possibilities and curtail others, and they do this differently for people filling different roles. And, second, they tend to convey preferences, habits, and beliefs - consciousness - to people who are filling roles, with much in common for people who are all filling the same role.
What is the polity, economy, kinship sphere, and culture, in this emerging approach?
Each sphere is partly the name for a flexible function, and also partly the name for a conglomeration of institutions for accomplishing its defining flexible function, with some institutions more central and critical than others. The institutions in each sphere, and all taken together across the social spheres, create a kind of boundary of available roles with various accompanying implications. As people in society, we can fill these roles or not, sometimes by choice, sometimes without any alternatives but to do so or be excluded from doing so.
And who are we?
Individually, we are each unique, breathing, feeling, thinking, beings, with very complex and diverse preferences, habits, and beliefs. But, looked at from greater distance, we share various roles with others and often that commonality causes us to also share associated preferences, habits, and beliefs in broad patterns of group allegiance, all depending on such features as our gender, sexual preference, age, race, religion, other cultural community, class - owner, manager, or worker - and consuming in the market, and being citizens or government officials.
And what is a society?
In the view we are slowly elaborating, it is the combination of a “human base” which is us with our consciousnesses and agendas, plus an “institutional boundary,” which is the roles that we must fulfill or avoid as a means to gaining various ends in society, where we also note a useful line of demarcation between kinship, culture, economy, and polity - and see that the whole thing also exists, of course, in the natural environment and either cooperating with, ripping off, being ripped off by - bombing, or being bombed by - other societies.
Conclusions
So far we have arrived at merely a rough and general set of initial observations about how to understand society to change it.
- Current society is basically horrendous in its human implications, so if we can conceive something that would be much better and that would also be workable, sustainable, and attainable, we should try to attain it.
- By virtue of human needs, potentials, and social realities, to accomplish certain unavoidable functions all societies have four social spheres - economy, polity, kinship, and culture - and also two encompassing contexts - ecology and international relations. To understand society likely means understanding these six aspects, at least.
- Accomplishing social functions typically entails collective action including people having clarity about their tasks and responsibilities to permit scheduling, etc., all of which is accomplished by institutions - meaning arrays of roles. Understanding any one or all four spheres entails, among other tasks, understanding its core institutions.
- The social roles of society’s institutions, summed together, create a kind of institutional boundary of society, which people relate to by filling various available roles, and by which, then, people gain certain benefits and endure certain hardships.
- The people of a society, summed together, create a kind of human center, including their preferences, habits, and beliefs, and there will be groupings due to shared conditions and roles in turn causing commonalities of preferences, habits, and beliefs.
- The people and institutions of society depend on, and affect, one another - as does each institution and each person affect others. And here, of course, is a key focus of change, as we will see.
In light of these simple insights, to be elaborated soon, a reasonable next step for becoming better able to understand societies is to first refine our means for understanding each of the four social spheres taken separately, and that will be our aim next chapter, preparatory to saying more about change, history, etc.






Needs to be more graphic at the beginning
By Marty, David at Dec 01, 2010 00:51 AM
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Re: Needs to be more graphic at the beginning
By Albert, Michael at Dec 01, 2010 17:00 PM
Marty,
Hi, Of course I remember...and thanks again for the assistance!
I think you are right about examples helping - but if I do it everywhere, then the cost is length. I will visit the places you mention, though, and try to add some.
I also agree about the q/a approach being effective, if not for all readers, certainly for some - perhaps many. My plan is to try to use that approach in all the electronic versions, as one of the extra features. We'll see if that pans out!
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Re: Re: Needs to be more graphic at the beginning
By Marty, David at Dec 01, 2010 17:32 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Needs to be more graphic at the beginning
By Albert, Michael at Dec 01, 2010 18:03 PM
When you come across a spot you think I should insert examples....note it...and then for any given chapter just send that info - like this
chapter number - text at beginning of relevant paragraph...
But I suggest that to catch up on chapters from the past you read them from the left menu. Those versions have updates that have occurred so far - whereas the blog versions are older, sometimes literally without any updates...
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By Marty, David at Dec 01, 2010 18:28 PM
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Re: Chapter One: Crazy Patterns / First Draft
By Garrigues, Chris at Nov 22, 2010 00:26 AM
I think there is a lot of redundancy and perhaps the point could benefit from something more concise.
Basically my reading of that whole section was several several paragraphs saying if something is broke, fix it, if something is better, try to get to better. I don't think this is terribly complicated but I kept rereading it to see if I was missing something more insightful.
I also concur that there should be more elaboration about the "human base" of a society. I came out of this chapter with: Institutions set paramters and roles that people act within. Beliefs, etc are defined by the Institutional roles and there is a sort of complex matric that allots these beliefs, etc based on the numerous roles individuals take. This leads to lots of unique people with unique uniqueness, but it is almost a predefined uniqueness. I guess that sort of stripped the "human" out of the analysis so far and I would encourage something to put it back in. It made things seem predetermined and linear such that I didn't care about another existing society - say on another planet, universe(?) - except that this one happened to be my own. Maybe this is a personal need, and not something your book or other readers would benefit from.
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Re: Re: Chapter One: Crazy Patterns / First Draft
By Albert, Michael at Nov 22, 2010 14:03 PM
Will make some changes to be clear about and not give a wrong impression regarding human efficacy - it exists and is indeed critical!
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Knee Jerks
By Lewis, Alexander at Oct 17, 2010 08:18 AM
as for the chapter, i like the overall message and my biggest questionable zone lies in the some of the opening statements. my first thought was about people and their knee jerk reactions when concerning change as i read "No lasting society can exist without production occurring." true, i said, but there is a major assumption (in most people) about what production currently is and the demands it must meet based on perceptions of what is necessary. and i would personally say that artificial needs are being created as a result of a market economy, and it is paramount to dispel those myths to move forward. (forward meaning realistic and just),
before saying anything else, my caveat. as i kept reading, i figure you are trying to introduce people to new ideas by first appealing to what they know on a basic level, elaborate to draw them into a deeper perspective and then summarize in agreement. make sense?
what i did think, however is that early analogies should have a little more foreshadowing. i agree that at least a lot of people recognize there is a failure to our current society, and you are mostly addressing people who will actually read this book, but there is a basic flaw to me in the car and lightbulb replacement analogy that i think can prepare better. not to be too nit-picky but there is a fundamental concept of necessity vs holistic health that may have room here. in my experience, most people who care about general change are also limiting themselves within their current concepts of needs and institutions, creating a general perception which leads to ideas like we can simply replace a lightbulb with a more efficient one. solar panels will replace petroleum and so forth. but the real question may be about less lightbulbs or no lightbulbs at all. based on current perceptions of need, a common reaction to no lightbulbs may very well be seen as "unbearably costly" in a kind of disassociated sense of the toll it takes elsewhere or the proficiency of another answer to accomplish that which they are currently accustomed.
you do a fine job of addressing some of this as you move on, and obviously there is more book to go, i get that. but i also think some of these initial reactions to the "institution" concept is based on the fact that we have poor definitions of our fundamentals that carry stigmas and conditioned ideals. an institution can also refer to custom, or a small tribal council. and if we are identifying some of these assumptions to move toward a participatory society then i also have a little problem with the term international or reference to nations, beyond the idea that they exist right now. is there perhaps another word we could use to recognize that nations currently exist but are not necessarily the future of global and local relationships? realizing myself that the word nation does not imply the hardened borders of state powers in itself, but has come to mean that in todays society. do we have a term to describe both nations as we know them and a more linear concept of connected locally based groupings? or should we separate this or define it better from the start?
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Re: Knee Jerks
By Albert, Michael at Oct 17, 2010 13:14 PM
One problem for any writer is that to fully address concerns, as they arise for each reader, in light of that reader's particular priorities, is literally impossible. If you do a - you can't do b - at the same time.
That said, you want to do a sequence, a b c..., which covers as much of the ground you hope to convey as possible, without driving away readers before they get to z - he he he...
I will have to be working on that throughout, and so I welcome people indicating things that they find "off putting" whether something missing or whatever, but I can't necessarily deal with it by addressing it in full, at that point, perhaps even ever, given the book's overall priorities.
Okay, enough on that - about nations though. I am not sure of words - got any ideas? But we think we might not agree. That is, I don't think France and Thailand are going to stop existing as entities, with histories, with cultures, cuisines, languages, and so on - because we attain participatory societies. So we may disagree about that, I don't know. But, in light of the above, I would certainly not want to write in a way that causes someone who thinks such entities - what I am calling nations, won't exist, to become upset with the book and set it aside. I will look again, at that!
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By Lewis, Alexander at Oct 20, 2010 10:43 AM
anywho, as that goes... my general notion of participatory application would be that once we factor the "true costs" of production, that is, take take away subsidies, consider individual livelihood and environmental impact, we will find very quickly that much of what we are currently used to is simply not possible. within that, i find it hard to see those entities of nations surviving, as their role is to govern uselessness for exploitation. yes the history is there and there is always culture, cuisine and language but they take a new form based on local sustainability and trade if applicable or when possible, though not based on a state identity. i guess, how could it be at that point?
i can't predict humanity and i'm not sure yet what your best course in mind is. actually, can i ask if you are seeking to transform current state powers or do you seek to create local models that can be tested, revised and applied again? or what do you feel is the interim toward global transformation? sorry if that is premature, but i have a little difficulty perceiving these early ideas if i don't have a grasp on some fundamental beliefs. i think nations, as current understanding goes of how society is organized, as pretty essential, and whether or not they will be maintained in some capacity in your vision is then a key component, even if the idea is to draw people in who may be attached to the current models.
realize i have not read your previous books and do not have a formal education beyond highschool so i might be a good test subject. and no, i do not have a word suggestion to replace international, probably because that's how it is now. but as participatory economics is a new term, perhaps even to replace the stigma of anarchism with a hands-on un-jaded term, i was hoping we might perhaps have a new way to materialize relationships beyond nation states, without losing readership sure, that encompasses connectivity between a network of organized non-hierarchical forms. but then, is that your direction?
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The human center and other comments
By Kolahi, Arash at Oct 01, 2010 21:10 PM
Michael, I really like the direction of this book and think it is of great value! Great work so far!
Below are some comments on this chapter.
· Must institutions exist? I have heard people argue that institutions are inherently screwed up and we must do away with them completely. Is that even possible? What are the advantages to institutions given the human condition? Why do we need them? Humans as social beings with limited time etc…
· Should we discuss an important concept of ‘incentives’ – that different institutions inherently present its actors with certain incentives. Most institutions that exist today bring out the worst in people, rather than the best – not necessarily because the people are “bad” but because the institutional incentives require bad actions. Most people try to do the best they can with the limited options they have (or perceive they have) often being forced between evils.
· Perhaps this is a good chapter to introduce the concept of Revolution? What is a revolution? How is revolution related to institutions? How is this different from reforms?
· My main critique of this chapter is that I think this needs more discussion about the human base to lay context and foundation for the values and the rest of the book. You describe the human center in terms of its relation to institutions, without getting into the core of the human center. What is it about us humans (innately or otherwise) that makes participatory self management more desirable? That makes equity and fairness more desirable? Diversity? Solidarity? I’m not saying we need to get into the values here, but I think laying down some fundamental observations about “who we are” as humans would be very beneficial to the arguments to come.
o Unlike a machine, say, because of our abilities and capacities as humans we are capable of feeling oppressed. We can understand our environment, our relation to others via institutions and can recognize as unfair, when the benefits and burdens of that particular relationship are not equitably distributed. This feeling of oppression or unfairness is not a good feeling
o Because of what we are as humans, with our consciousness, capacities for cognitive thinking, conceptualization etc. participating in decisions is itself is a source of fulfillment (of course the fact that our participation ensures that we have a fair say thus the end result being fair is fantastic and leads to a more fulfilling environment)… but because of who we are as humans that more participatory decisions is better than less. Exercising our power to choose among various life options brings a uniquely human enjoyment of freedom, creativity and conceptualization.
o What is it about humans that makes diversity a good thing? We are not the same in preferences etc.
o Who we are is not just a collection of our beliefs and experiences but also an innate element that can never be obliterated. No institutions, no social conditioning, no amount of oppression changes the fact that as humans we desire to live free, live without oppression and injustice. More participatory self management will always be better than less. Etc. regardless of the iron fist – or socialization otherwise.
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Re: The human center and other comments
By Albert, Michael at Oct 02, 2010 14:35 PM
Hi again...
Mainly, your comments about chapter one apply to later content. Can't do everything all at once. See the outline of chapters...
You write: "Must institutions exist? I have heard people argue that institutions are inherently screwed up and we must do away with them completely. Is that even possible? What are the advantages to institutions given the human condition? Why do we need them? Humans as social beings with limited time etc…"
There are people who are we might say, at least verbally, anti institution. The stance is fueled by a feeling that institutions impose on people some options to choose among, but also rule out others. The anti institution person wants every choice always available.
The stance is utterly incoherent, I hope you agree. Complete nonsense, honestly. I'll consider whether to address it in some kind of sidebar or something. But yes, it is true, for example, that if society has a participatory economy then its citizens can choose among lots of incredibly diverse jobs but they CANNOT choose to be a wage slave or an owner. Those options do not exist. So might say, hey, having this institution cut out some options. It would be a true statement. But then adding let's get rid of the institutions so we have all options is - I don't know how to put this gently - moronic, and is gentle. The reason is, if you have no institutions you have, of course, also eliminated countless possibilities and options, most including anything even remotely resembling civilization or even survival for most. The social choice isn't institutions to total freedom - rather it is what institutions do we want to ensure that we have a maximum of choices of the type we desire and no one can opt for choices that subvert other's freedoms.
You write: "Should we discuss an important concept of ‘incentives’ – that different institutions inherently present its actors with certain incentives. Most institutions that exist today bring out the worst in people, rather than the best – not necessarily because the people are “bad” but because the institutional incentives require bad actions. Most people try to do the best they can with the limited options they have (or perceive they have) often being forced between evils."
Yes, but give it a little time...
You write: "Perhaps this is a good chapter to introduce the concept of Revolution? What is a revolution? How is revolution related to institutions? How is this different from reforms?"
See the outline.
Then you write: "My main critique of this chapter is that I think this needs more discussion about the human base to lay context and foundation for the values and the rest of the book. You describe the human center in terms of its relation to institutions, without getting into the core of the human center. What is it about us humans (innately or otherwise) that makes participatory self management more desirable? That makes equity and fairness more desirable? Diversity? Solidarity? I’m not saying we need to get into the values here, but I think laying down some fundamental observations about “who we are” as humans would be very beneficial to the arguments to come.
I will work on this...
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Re: Re: The human center and other comments
By Kolahi, Arash at Oct 05, 2010 20:56 PM
okay. will do.
Yes. definitely. Just think it may need to be addressed since others may reflexively feel that way... or have heard the argument as well.
LOL, i guess i get too anxious.
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Nitpicking
By Addison, Michael at Sep 24, 2010 23:24 PM
"We can think of these centrally important aspects of society as four flexible functions and two comprehensive contexts."
Which pares down to, "We can think of... aspects... as... functions and... comprehensive contexts." I think there is a grammatical or linguistic error in claiming aspects can be thought of as comprehensive concepts. You might want to reword this. Maybe something like: "We can think of these centrally important aspects of society as four flexible functions interacting within two comprehensive contexts." I think this would be better but I'm still a little bugged by the framing, maybe because by setting up intersocietal relations/pressures apart from the four flexible functions, the suggestion is that the nature of pressures from other societies is conceptually different from the nature of interactions between institutions within the same society. The nature of any relationship is going to depend on what is relating to what, and the state is a particular kind of institution. I see how it is helpful to demarkate relationships between
1.) individuals and institutions and
2.) institutions and other institutions
but why states (which are particular kinds of institutions) and other states or societies?
For any people and culture to endure that group must be shielded from existential threats, but this is no more true for entire societies than it is for institutions or existing relationships within a particular society. I understand why you might want to focus on laying out the groundwork for a particular hypothetical society which nicely facilitates good expression of the 4 stated functions, and consider how the way of getting and maintaining such a society depends on other societies, in terms of war and trade. Fine; a society can be good and lasting in isolation but fare poorly when an expansionist empire knocks on the door. Engaging in free market trading with countries with different labor/environmental standards encourages a race to the bottom. The reality of existing trade relations informs the possibility and prospects of emerging industries. A particular corporation could be good and lasting (one which doesn't externalize costs, maybe), but not fare well when made to compete with BP, or even strictly domestic industry (if such a thing existed). But external threats/influences to emerging groups can be both intranational and international, and I don't see the purpose of setting up international relationships/influences as seperate.
This is all a bit abstract... concretely, how would you take it if someone were to say "Hey, I would start this great parecon business, but I can't quite figure out how to given European farm subsidies?" Would you suggest the person lobby the EU? What about if someone were to echo the same thought, but place the obstacle as American law governing the lawful establishment and regulation of non-profit corporations? Should that person work for a change in corporate law? Is one of these two things, getting rid of farm subsidies or changing domestic corporate law, that different from the other? Individuals can have a greater effect locally than nationally, but localities can't break free of nations. Even if they could, unless the locality is self-sufficient and willing to forego some luxuries, they would be at the mercy of trading partners, partners which would enjoy the leverage to greatly influence the "independent" locality. So what, change everything or change nothing? If one can't aim for a just institution without a just society, and can't get a just society without a just world, then one can't aim for a just institution without a just world. Of course incremental change is in fact possible, but international pressures are just a subset of external pressures to a group seeking change, and I don't see any relevant conceptual difference between external intersocial and external intrasocial pressures.
If you HAD a just society to work with then it would make sense to focus narrowly on intersocietal dealings...
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Institutional Analysis
By Stapes, John at Sep 23, 2010 05:03 AM
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Re: Institutional Analysis
By Albert, Michael at Sep 23, 2010 13:10 PM
I assume you are suggesting I put in examples to make points more evident and real for people. I agree. What I can't decide yet is whether they would all go in as some kind of extras - in addition to the main text - online and in ebook form, or go in the main text.
The difference is the length and thus also cost of the former. It may make sense for a print version to be as short as possible - we'll see.
But I think you are right some examples should be sprinkled, particularly for thoughts or concepts one can think one gets - yet it isn't so...and the example, would correct the enhance the communication
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Re: Re: Institutional Analysis
By Stapes, John at Sep 23, 2010 16:35 PM
I. Institutions
A. Heading “What is an institution?
1. Institutions aren’t individuals or buildings. They are social relationships.
2. Institutions exist to accomplish a goal or task.
B. Why are institutions important to examine?
1. Institutions require us to fulfill certain roles that may dramatically limit our potential. (institutions affect us individually).
2. Institutions are major actors in our society. (Institutions affect our society). When we focus on institutional analysis as opposed to the actions and decisions of people within those institutions, we may better understand how decisions within our society are made. Many times the individuals within those institutions have little control over them. So focusing on the decisions of the individual can lead us astray from the main culprit behind decisions that seriously affect our society. For example.... (something like the example I added before).
Just thought I would elaborate.
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Re: Re: Re: Institutional Analysis
By Albert, Michael at Sep 23, 2010 16:42 PM
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Conclusions
By Atkinson, Lonnie at Sep 23, 2010 05:02 AM
Also, any time you are able to break down material into lists or bullets, (for me at least) it's quite helpful. I'm better able to process the material (and it gives a break to the eye).
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Re: Conclusions
By Albert, Michael at Sep 23, 2010 13:07 PM
Yes, I will try to do conclusions like that, throughout.
Will try on the lists and bullets - but there is a balance. Too much of that and it starts to look a bit like a textbook. When it works though - and if you see someplace you think one would help, let me know.
I hope to do an electronic version of the book, for online but also ebooks, etc - by the way - that would include sidebars, appendices, etc., but also multimedia...something which, if you are interested, of course you could greatly enhance!!!!
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Away this weekend, will delay chapter two
By Administrator, Site at Sep 22, 2010 15:24 PM
Os the style of writing and making points clear enough for the non experienced reader? Do you have ideas for other examples, or content, for the first chapter? Or anything else?
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poor Michael
By Karman, Leen at Sep 21, 2010 22:51 PM
You know for sure that society is failing, miserably. Life as you know it could obviously be much better.
I know for sure that your new book is failing, miserably. The first chapter, as I know it, could obviously be much better.
To be fair with you, I will start examining my opinion on your first chapter.
How do I know it can obviously be much better?
To be honest with you, I do not know.
I have no reference.
It’s just a feeling. It’s faith.
As you know: faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Now I ask you to examine your opinion on Life.
How do you know?
What is your reference?
Two thousand years ago a man walked upon the waters.
According to his disciples he went to heaven with the promise that he would discuss things with his father, the Creator of everything, and would return when things were better organized.
As far as I know, we are still waiting for him.
Life is okay Michael.
As life was okay two thousand years ago.
And shit happens.
As shit happened two thousand years ago.
And I am sure for one thing: improve life, and you will find yourself with a better shit!
Then what about Hope?
As your Emily Dickinson told us
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul
And sings the tune without the words
And never stops at all
Read it like this.
Whatever life is, whether it is (dis)organized by Jesus or by Lenin, by Ghandi or by Bush, by Yes-we-can or by a Tea Party … Hope will never stop singing the tune.
I love that tune.
But, whatever my hopes, I am not waiting for a book which tells me that my society is failing, miserably, and that life could obviously be much better!
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Re: poor Michael
By Albert, Michael at Sep 22, 2010 12:59 PM
Thanks for your reaction.
But I think most likely we must agree to disagree. Different strokes for different folks.
The book, and this site, for that matter, pretty much begin from the observation that contemporary social systems miserably fail their citizens - all humanity - and that we can do much much much better.
The book, and this site, then try to provide analysis, and tools of analysis, vision and means for developing vision, strategy and paths for refining and applying strategy, aimed not only at understanding contemporary relations, but at changing them.
If that all rings false or hollow to you, or worse, fine - but then neither the book nor the site is aimed at you, I guess..
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Re: Re: poor Michael
By Karman, Leen at Sep 23, 2010 01:00 AM
I can find a lot of information here which I think is of value, and I meet a lot of people (virtual) which makes me wiser - and sometimes a bit sad.
So thanks again.
I suppose that doesn’t mean that I have to agree with all of your ideas.
I suppose also, that you do not mean that it is forbidden to question some of your projects, especially when you ask me to do!
So, to be very clear on that: I am happy with Znet, but I am not a disciple of yours.
1. No kidding.
I think your planned book will turn out to be not a good book. I think starting from a society which is failing, which is miserably, a life that can obviously be much better – your life, your society, which is such a failure that it urges you to have these ideas, and which is at the same time such an ideal place, which gave and gives you possibilities, facilities, features, infrastructure, to ask around and discuss it with others all over the world, who, with the same ideas and the same possibilities confirm your view and say Yes Michael, you are absolutely right – I think that is starting from the wrong premises.
2. You didn’t answer my question.
How do you know that there is a better world possible? Who gave you the eyes to see that world, the touch to feel it?
And if a better world is possible, why did it not realize itself?
Was there some idiot who interfered with the natural course of things?
3. Perhaps I’m wrong but to me there is a difference between Remembering tomorrow and Our future.
Remembering tomorrow is about ideas and ideals.
Our Future seems to be based on bad experience.
That’s why I do not think it’s such a good idea.
As Pierre Tristam wrote The tea-party broods - the richest, most pampered, most welfared generation in the history of mankind - portray themselves as the put-upon victims of …
And you can fill in whatever you want.
That pampered generation in USA is complaining, and voted for hope and change – and Obama didn’t mean hope and change for the Iraqis because of the collateral damage of the good intentions of Bush, bur spoke about the “mess” Washington had created in USA and the financial crisis – and after they had voted for hope and change they started tea parties.
That pampered generation in France is complaining, and because of that Sarkozy wants to expel the Roma from his country.
That pampered generation in Holland is complaining, and because of that they will now have a government supported by what you can call a fascist party.
That pampered generation in northern Italy is complaining that they have to support the not so pampered generation in southern Italy and because of that they vote for a party who promotes separation.
Do I need to go on?
You will answer: my intentions are different, better.
So were Lenin’s!
But it’s stemming from the same ideas: society as we have it is ill, society is miserably, society is a failure.
That is why I do not like it at all!
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Yes, the Palestinian knows: shit happens.
So perhaps, to help him, it is a good idea to vote for Obama.
Perhaps a better idea is to help Noam Chomsky in advocating the rights of the Palestinian.
But these things are very different and at long distance from calling our society a failure.
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Re: Re: Re: poor Michael
By Albert, Michael at Sep 23, 2010 13:02 PM
Of course your thoughts are yours, as you like. But your reaction to the book idea, based on an intro and one chapter, both in draft, is such that you aren't a likely reader, and apparently you aren't remotely in the ballpark of the book's intentions,, so we have to agree to disagree - I with you, just as you with me. You think I should have fundamentally different premises, that's fine - but I don't and I am going to proceed.
You ask:
"How do you know that there is a better world possible? Who gave you the eyes to see that world, the touch to feel it?
And if a better world is possible, why did it not realize itself?
Was there some idiot who interfered with the natural course of things?"
And maybe, therefore, you will be a reader, to see what answers the book gives rather than a priori deciding it can't offer any.
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Very Interesting
By Stapes, John at Sep 21, 2010 03:57 AM
I really like the book so far. I’m looking forward to reading the whole thing. You have a very clear breakdown of what institutions are, which is nice because I find that many people are confused on that. When I have conversations with people about politics/economics, almost inevitably it gets into how bad bankers, politicians, and CEO’s are. I find many people have difficulties understanding the institutional role because it is rarely discussed in detail in the corporate media.
Just a few questions.
1. Is there a more specific statistic on how many people die every year preventable diseases or starvation? I’m afraid some people might think you are exaggerating if you don’t use a more specific number cited from a specific agency. For example, the UN Commission on Human Rights’ reported “there are around 815 million undernourished people in the world and that every year 36 million people die, directly or indirectly, as a result of hunger and nutritional deficiencies, most of them women and children, particularly in developing countries, in a world that already produces enough food to feed the whole global population.“ (I just told my wife this statistic and she was blown away.) Also, UNICEF’s statistic is “Every year, nearly 11 million children die before reaching their fifth birthday, most from preventable causes. That is approximately, 30, 000 children per day. Another 300 million children suffer from illnesses caused by lack of clean water, poor nutrition and inadequate health services and care.”
2. How would there be a drastic reduction in car accidents? Is it because car companies would make safer cars? Better technology in cars would prevent other cars from running into each other, or off the road? I’m genuinely curious how that would work.
Good luck with the rest.
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Re: Very Interesting
By Albert, Michael at Sep 21, 2010 14:21 PM
Hi John,
Glad you like the chapter.
> 1. Is there a more specific statistic on how many people die every year preventable diseases or starvation? I’m afraid some people might think you are exaggerating if you don’t use a more specific number cited from a specific agency.
Yes, you are right about that - I tend to put in facts in later drafts, though.
For example, the UN Commission on Human Rights’ reported “there are around 815 million undernourished people in the world and that every year 36 million people die, directly or indirectly, as a result of hunger and nutritional deficiencies, most of them women and children, particularly in developing countries, in a world that already produces enough food to feed the whole global population.“
Will use it. I didn't intend the approach here to induce people to do research for me, but I certainly welcome and will use what is offered!
(I just told my wife this statistic and she was blown away.) Also, UNICEF’s statistic is “Every year, nearly 11 million children die before reaching their fifth birthday, most from preventable causes. That is approximately, 30, 000 children per day. Another 300 million children suffer from illnesses caused by lack of clean water, poor nutrition and inadequate health services and care.”
Also good to use - sad to read, though. I think people can't quite comprehend - or actually don't let ourselves comprehend these kinds of data.
> 2. How would there be a drastic reduction in car accidents? Is it because car companies would make safer cars? Better technology in cars would prevent other cars from running into each other, or off the road? I’m genuinely curious how that would work.
I think both - among other ways - not to mention way fewer cars due to sharing, public transport, etc. etc. Watch race car driving a little. They have massive accidents at 150 miles an hour and more, and typically come away unharmed...
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