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Chapter Two: Refining Four Views

By Michael Albert at Oct 10, 2010


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Chapter Two: Refining Four Views

[This is a draft, for comment but not circulation, please. I have also added new drafts of the Introduction and Chapter One, on the HelpAlbert Group Page. The group is an experiment in what might be called public writing...]


If we believe society may be usefully described as involving four spheres of life, or if we at least pursue that view to see how far it can take us, then in this chapter we can try to agree on some additional possible tools for understanding each of those four spheres themselves and next chapter we can consider the four spheres as they interact and change over time.

 

 

The General Character of Social Spheres

One way to rapidly progress is to make some generalizations that apply to all four spheres of social life - kinship, culture/community, polity, and economy. 

We know we are particularly concerned with understanding defining institutions that contour people’s options. And of course we know we are particularly concerned with reasons why groups of people might seek change to escape limitations or oppressions that institutions impose on them. 

In the various acts of family life, procreation, and socialization, of community identification and celebration, of political decision making and adjudication, and of production/consumption and allocation and especially as a result of the requirements of the roles for carrying out those acts people are typically divided into  groups with different access to influence, status, material well being, and all factors necessary to quality of life. 

Some groups get many benefits and few discomforts. Other groups get few benefits and many discomforts. 

Further, these contending groups, defined by the the roles people occupy, often gain or lose in opposition to one another. It isn’t just that one group does better and another does worse. It is that groups often contend for benefits. For one to get more, another will have to get less. We all know this is true and not even a little doubtful. 

Men gain time, influence, and material advantages relative to women, and heterosexuals relations to homosexuals, and also around matters of age, due to kinship/sexist hierarchies. 

Various cultural communities (such as U.S. whites) compared to other cultural groups (such as U.S. blacks) do better due to community/racist or sometimes ethnic or national or other cultural hierarchies. 

Owners do better compared to, say, managers, and both do better compared to workers due to economic/class hierarchies. 

And finally, those who have legislative or judicial power do better relative to those who don’t, due to political/bureaucratic hierarchies. 

Additionally, these group oppositions are all largely zero sum. The better off groups enjoy gains proportionally as the worse off groups suffer losses. Taken all together this is a complex claim, but it is still obvious to virtually everyone. 

Also obvious, though often not made evident, in each case, when there is a group above and a group below, while the particular features differ for the different hierarchies, there are also significant similarities. 

Mainly, members of groups on top - in each sphere of life - will not typically get up each morning and smugly tell themselves, if they are introspective at all: “we are on top because the system is rigged to our advantage, and, as well, we act to keep those who are beneath us down there by whatever means we can muster.” 

Rather, very often, those above will confidently convince themselves “we are superior and deserve our advantages while those below are inferior or at least don’t deserve as much.” They will add that :our doing better benefits everyone, because we are smarter, more creative, harder working, etc.” They may even tell themselves that those below “wouldn’t even enjoy the benefit were they to have them, as much as we do - they just don’t have the taste for it.” And in any event they conclude that for the most part, “all is just.”

And similarly, those on the bottom won’t always furiously tell themselves: “we are on the bottom unjustly, because the system is rigged to keep us down here, and because those above us work to keep it that way, and we damn well ought to change it.” 

Rather, those below may retiringly tell themselves, “we belong down here, we didn’t try hard enough, or we weren’t able enough, or we were unlucky, or our kind just doesn’t have what it takes.” They may add, “we do better with those above, above, because they are better at what they do and we get trickle down benefits.” Or they may tell themselves, “We like it down here, less responsibility, less hassle.” And they conclude, that while painful, “all is just, or, at least unalterable.”

Some of these views may well correspond to things you, dear reader, and indeed we all, sometimes feel, or think, or wonder or worry about. However, since in this book we are interested not in justifying current oppressive relations, but in changing them, we will want to understand elite self delusions somewhat, and what is wrong with them - but much more so, we will want to chart out useful rebellious views and understand, as well, what’s wrong with but also the tenacity of the self defeating views that sometimes bind we who are suffering to our subordination. 

We can obviously anticipate that useful dissident perspectives are going to be views that elaborate the interests of the people at the bottom into an understanding, a vision and strategy suitable for eliminating the hierarchies they suffer. That will hold for all four spheres - assuming better relations are possible.

Yes, being on the bottom often does lead one to adopt views that seem to make sense but which cement one’s position below, placing the blame for it on oneself and cutting off any thoughts about changing the situation. But that is obviously not what we favor and seek. 

On the other hand, being on the bottom also sometimes leads people to examine their situation, define alternative arrangements to pursue, seek levers by which to win changes, and gain insights to fuel each investigation. And, indeed, in history this has happened repeatedly, and has led to various oppositional radical and sometimes revolutionary perspectives that advance the interests of those below. 

So we might expect to be able to look at these rebellious perspectives that have emerged in history to find tools we can use in our own future, too. And indeed, we can do just that, quite successfully, and largely without need for additional fundamental alterations, just some tweaking and refining, at least for three of the four spheres. 

 

Three Spheres the Easy Way

Suppose we start with issues of gender and sexuality. 

On average, women and homosexuals live at the bottom of sex gender hierarchies and have, over time, in their best efforts, elaborated concepts and ideas for understanding the attitudes of people in sexist hierarchies, for understanding the effects of the institutions at work creating and maintaining sexist hierarchies, and at least to some extent for understanding alternative institutions that might do better than existing kinship institutions. 

Taken together, we can reasonably call all these frameworks elaborating the interests of women and gays feminism. As forewarned in the introduction, we could now produce a lengthy book just recounting and summarizing the insights about all manner of insightful and important historical and societal relations that this approach has produced, but we will for now have to settle instead for only some central insights, learning more, however, as we proceed later. 

The functions in the kinship sphere are those of family life and particularly those related to bringing into the world and raising the new generation and maintaining the living units, and conducting sexual and daily life interactions more broadly, as well. The roles associated with these functions are of course incredibly diverse, but some central ones are man and woman - I will explain in a second why these are roles -  mother and father, and for that matter sister and brother, uncle and aunt, and so on - as well as gay, straight, and bisexual. 

Feminist analysis has explained the features of the hierarchies and the tremendous toll they take on women and gays, and to a degree even on men and heterosexuals, as compared to the better circumstances we all might enjoy in our lives. And to an extent feminists have also explained, though without full agreement as yet,  the origins of the sex/gender hierarchies and have elaborated some ideas about alternative roles and structures that would eliminate those hierarchies and instead create and maintain just relations in households and sexual and familial relations. 

Why are man and woman roles, you might wonder, given that they are, you might assert, biologically determined? 

Well, it’s because while Samantha may be a woman and Samuel a man, biologically, the behaviors and responsibilities they carry and the habits and preferences they tend to arrive at go way beyond their biological differences. Once this is said, it is pretty obvious, isn’t it? 

Being a man or a woman in a society that has a sexist hierarchy is very different than being a man or a woman in a society in which men and women are literally different only by virtue of actual biological imperatives. 

Suppose we even take being a mother or a father. Again, you might think, those are not roles in an institution - believing that being a mother or a father is defined by biological dictates. And, yes, biology is certainly part of it, of course. But being a mother can mean - as it typically does in our society - having an array of very specific nurturing and caring and cleaning and organizing responsibilities, among many others, different from fathers do but which have literally nothing to do with biologically having to give birth or breast feed. 

Likewise, being a father can and typically in our society does carry with it a very different set of responsibilities and expectations than being a mother, often financial and disciplinary, that are more authoritative and far less time consuming, and that again have zero to do with not being able to biologically give birth or breast feed. 

And of course the non biological attributes of being a mother or father, and even how their biological aspects are undertaken, and thus what is the same thing, how the aspects associated with role definitions that are imposed by institutions are undertaken, can change due to institutions changing, as has happened, to a degree, in the last 45 years or so - while the actual biological imperatives are far more fixed. 

We don’t need to get too much into all of this just yet. We will look more deeply at the roles and the implications sexist roles have for people filling them and especially learn more about long standing feminist insights when we talk about vision and strategy, thereby helping to fill out our intellectual tools bearing on kinship and gender/sexuality. For now, let’s just assume that much of what feminism asserts can be carried over, pretty much as it currently is, to be part of our development of a more multi focused perspective. We’ll test and act on that belief as we proceed.

Next, suppose we consider issues of cultural community. 

The situation is quite similar to what we found for sex/gender relations. Historically communities that have suffered the indignities and gross violations of racism and other cultural hierarchies such as ones based on nationalism, religious bigotry, etc., have sometimes given in to despair and even resigned to their situations while trying to carve out the best possible circumstances within the dictates of the oppressive limits they confront. Other times, however, subordinated communities have rebelled and have developed ways of thinking about their plight, including developing related concepts and commitments about racism and other cultural oppressions that we can pretty much adopt in full. 

The heart of this has been understanding that racial, religious, and other community hierarchies typically involve communities arrayed in conflict, often with one dominating and seeing itself as superior to one or more others, and with institutions throughout society elevating members of that dominant community while subordinating members of the subordinate communities. 

And of course an additional key insight has been that all this is overwhelmingly social in nature. Power and material advantages of one group over another fuel the views group members hold. No real biological boundary exists between them - there is no serious biological basis for cultural community distinctions. Rather role differences deliver unequal circumstances and benefits fueling often derogatory self conceptions and misconceptions of others, all backed by power differences which create and sustain cultural hierarchies. And, as with sex gender relations, as we proceed particularly with issues of vision and strategy, we will learn more about all this, even as we borrow and incorporate into our own views with only modest refinements many related insights. 

Next we have issues of polity. Again, critics of existing political relations - and in particular I have in mind the best practitioners of what has often been called anarchism - have developed highly useful insights that we can largely adopt and work with in our own developing perspective. The focus they have had has been on the institutional creation of a political apparatus serving narrow interests, existing separate from and above the population, and ruling over the population, instead of being an extension from the population and being limited by and manifesting the will of the population. 

As with the feminist and we might say nationalist, or I prefer intercommunalist, schools of sex/gender and cultural thought, this school of political thought too can be elaborated at far greater length, and many features of its wisdom will become clearer as we talk more about vision and strategy. One, for example, is the observation, long asserted but rarely seriously considered - other than by anarchists - that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, which means, basically, that if some have excessive power they will rationalize it in ways leading them to try to accrue even more, and to use it from on high - with the results being that much worse, the more power is centralized into few hands. For now though, we don’t see grave and fundamental problems in the basic ideas of anti authoritarian projects so great that we would need to begin by rejecting or dramatically amending their perspective. Rather in building our own more encompassing framework, we need mostly to incorporate the political insights of these practitioners, meshing them seamlessly with the best insights of the feminist and intercommunalist schools, as well,making modifications mainly - as we will see next chapter - so that each respects and incorporates the wisdom of the other two. 

 

 

One Sphere, the Economy, Takes A Little More Work

The fourth sphere, economics, presents a different problem than the  other three. Regarding economics, it turns out we need a little more initial innovation to make any useful progress later. 

Typical dissident understandings of the economy are certainly in large part informative. They pay attention to material inputs and outputs and also to produced services, but also pay attention to the workers and consumers involved in these acts. These perspectives, typically elaborated in anti capitalist movements and struggles, address production, consumption, and allocation, unearth some key roles regarding all these, and seek to understand the implications of those roles for contending groups. So far, so good, much like for the three other spheres discussed above.

But, next, something profoundly important goes awry. Pretty much all dissidents examining economics agree that the key to understanding economic prospects and possibilities is understanding contending groups, called classes, and the attitudes, behaviors, and interests largely imposed on them by their economic roles. But, almost all dissident approaches to economics also make what we think is a large error, finding one critically important aspect of economics bearing on its creation of contending classes, but at the same time obscuring another equally important and different aspect - thus yielding, in sum, a fundamentally flawed picture. 

The usual approach goes more or less like this. Economies must produce and then distribute so people can then consume. In the type economy we currently endure, different ownership relations and the roles they impose are at the heart of generating the working class and the owning class as contending actors with different motives, agendas, and views of each other. The analysis of this contentious relationship is insightful and can, in many respects, be borrowed. As we will see as we proceed, that analysis uncovers how private ownership of workplaces and production assets leads to pursuit of profit by owners, and to pursuit of better salaries by workers - and thus leads to owners trying to lengthen the work day and speed up and intensify work, while leading to workers wanting shorten work days and enjoy less frantic and dangerous conditions, and so on. All of this and many similar insights are indeed important for efforts to change society. After all, this built in pursuit of profit is one of the key reasons why society fails to further values we believe in.

But here is the problem. Economics is not just centrally affected by who owns what. Rather, people are divided into contending classes due to occupying different positions (roles) in the economy, and, due to that, having different and opposed interests. One factor causing such differences is, indeed, different ownership positions - as in some people owning means of production, and others just owning their own ability to do work. However, another factor causing us to occupy different classes is not about owning property, but, is instead about the type of work we do in the economic roles we occupy. 

Work, like all activity, affects those who do it. In modern corporate capitalist economies, among those folks beneath the top owners who constitute just one or two percent of the population - we all work. We all sell our ability to do work, to the owners, and we get wages for the work we do, this being a relation that used to be called, wage slavery. 

However, it turns out that while getting wages instead of earning profits does impose tremendous differences in circumstances and behaviors, there is another demarcation that divides all those who get wages into not one, but instead two classes. 

In this view, which we adopt, at the top we have owners, or capitalists. At the bottom we have workers. But in between labor and capital, we have another class, what I would like to call the coordinator class where by this group I refer all those who do largely empowering work for wages - unlike workers below who do overwhelming disempowering, rote, tedious work. And unlike owners above, who earn not wages, but profits. 

By empowering work I mean that this group, which is roughly about 20% of the workforce, does, each day, tasks that convey to them self confidence, social skills, workplace knowledge, and also habits and experience of workplace daily decision making, all of which, taken together, empowers them. In contrast, the more typical workers below do rote, tedious, repetitive, and often dangerous tasks which convey only exhaustion, reduced health, personal isolation, habits of obedience, and more generally the opposite of empowerment which we may call disempowerment.

So the claim here is that unlike the situation for sex/gender, race/ethnicity, and power, past efforts at developing a perspective suited to understanding economics from the angle of those at the bottom of society’s class hierarchies, workers, have been very seriously flawed. Kin, cultural, and political approaches which we borrow from without having to fundamentally correct them, correctly identify contending constituencies and accurately sensitize us to all the key oppressive dynamics. The economic approaches that have in the past typically characterized dissent, however, have focussed on two key classes where in fact they should have focussed, in our view, on three. They have highlighted some kinds of economic oppression (related to maintaining profit seeking), but largely ignored or even at times denied other kinds (related to maintaining the division between coordinators above and workers below).

How could this happen? Well, a rightful rejection of economic oppression got sidetracked, one might say, into very powerfully and aggressively examining one set of relations (property) but away from very powerfully and aggressively also examining another set of relations (having to do with empowerment).

This is not a small problem. And it isn’t just that the twenty percent in the coordinator class do much better than workers below, and contend with owners above. It is also that a two class view - denying the importance of a third class - corrupts dissident ability to envision a truly classless economy - which will be one of our aims as we proceed. It causes dissidents with the two class view to arrive at a vision they think or they assert aims to benefit workers, but which in fact elevates coordinators above workers.

In this book, therefore, we have to not only somewhat massage and better integrate with the rest of our understanding past economic insights - as we have to do for past gender/sex, community, and political insights - we also have to more fundamentally transform past economic insights. 

We must add to an understanding of owners and workers, an understanding of coordinators existing between owners and workers. We must highlight coordinators trying to defend and enlarge their relative monopoly on empowering work and the great advantages in circumstance and income it gives them relative to workers below, in capitalism, and trying, as well, to escape subordination to owners above, in a whole new economy which is, however, not classless but instead ruled by them, above workers. 

Our claim, in other words, is that a two class focus on those who profit and those who work for wages doesn’t give us a full and accurate, but instead an incomplete and fatally flawed picture of our economies. Coordinator class members - doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, and so on - are not just another kind of capitalist, or another kind of worker. They are not part of the class above, of the class below, or a mix of the two. Instead, they are a class unto themselves, with very different circumstances than workers below and owners above, and contending with both. 

And most important, the coordinator class can elaborate its interests into a program of their own, and often have done so, even winning changed economies that they rule in place of owners who are eliminated, but still operating above workers who remain subordinate. This is the most insightful meaning of the song lyric, “bring in the new boss, same as the old boss.” In fact, the new boss is the same only in the sense of still being above, while workers are still below. The actual new basis of rule, and the new behaviors - the different roles - perpetuating injustice change with a new top boss, but still undesirable. 

Regarding the four spheres of society, as we proceed our aim is going to be to understand how to accomplish their relevant functions without, however, generating old or new hierarchies of wealth, power, dignity, etc. 

For the economy, this will mean we want classlessness. But you can’t get from class divided, to classless, if you fail to notice a key class which can become a new ruling class. This isn’t just a plausible hypothesis or a clever prediction. It has happened repeatedly in history. What has been called socialism in the past, meaning an economy guided by the interests of and ruled by the workers, has instead typically been an economy that has eliminated the owning class, and eliminated the role of owning workplaces, but has retained the coordinator class, and with them the role of ruling workplaces and the overall economy by a few. 

We don’t want this new boss in place of the old boss. We must, therefore, attend to this group, the coordinator class, in our thoughts about what exists (how the coordinator class relates to owners above and workers below), about what we want (how new relations will eliminate the social relations that produce the coordinator class in the economy and society), and how we get to our goals (how our strategies have to operate to successfully address this element of class rule, as well as ownership elements).

Okay, we now have our four spheres, we can borrow from past insights to enhance our understanding of three, and borrow some and generate some, for understanding the fourth. But how to the spheres intersect and entwine. And how do they change over time. Those are the next topics we address, next chapter. 

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By Garrigues, Chris at Nov 25, 2010 06:35 AM

I noticed that you (rightfully) emphasized that the economy section would require a little more for readers, especially those unfamiliar with parecon/coordinator class analysis.  However, and I'm not sure if this is critique or just observation, this gesture seemed to sort of emphasize that Economics is a "harder" subject like Physics was in your introduction.  I thought it might be a good reinforcement of that analogy to tie it in here, such that economics is harder to understand because we understand it better... the math, the equations, even mangement science, etc, even when disproven or obsolete theory.  From there, it would mean that kinship, polity, community are the "sociology" subjects that people can pick up on easily because we don't understand them.  Hopefully that is clear or at least somewhat as obvious as they seem to me.

Now for where the observation becomes critique.  I know that your next chapter covers the intersection and entwinements of the four spheres, but I can't help but notice that I think you are missing something when it comes to kinship and a feminist analysis - not that you claim such expertise!  My example:  While defending "feminism" in a debate, I mentioned the kinship sphere and how feminism developed out of this area of society to someone who had some wierd claims about a feminist ghetto destroying the socialist Left.  Still not sure what he meant.  But later when telling a feminist friend about the argument and trying to explain the four spheres and related analyses (feminism, anarchism, antiracism, socialism), I hit a serious roadblock because I couldn't defend on any level why feminism really arives out of the kinship sphere.  Before it had seemed obvious and I would say its a sphere of birth, nurturing, family structures, etc. and women have been on the short-end typically, thus feminism arose from such injustice and hierarchy.  But from there we went into how gender plays in economics, culture, politics and that to limit it, even if just saying its origins were in kinship, then this itself might be sexist.  I'm not confident that I can accurately convey what my friend was saying nor that I am capable yet of seeing things differently as I have not had the same experiences, but I was quite receptive to her viewpoint that initially aligning it with kinship was sexist.

I know this isn't the chapter to dive into a deep analysis of kinship nor feminism, but it just really jumped out at me here as I read some of those lines anew or "again for the very first time".

RE:  "The functions in the kinship sphere are those of family life and particularly those related to bringing into the world and raising the new generation and maintaining the living units, and conducting sexual and daily life interactions more broadly, as well...", "...And to an extent feminists have also explained, though without full agreement as yet,  the origins of the sex/gender hierarchies and have elaborated some ideas about alternative roles and structures that would eliminate those hierarchies and instead create and maintain just relations in households and sexual and familial relations."

All in all. I really like this chapter.  It's a great primer for relating to those past experiments where activists of one variety took marxist analysis and simply replaced certain terms to elucidate their struggle.

Finally, a suggestion if an E-book results.  I keep thinking about different stories from Remembering Tomorrow - eg. for the 2nd half of this chapter, the Ehrenreich's book with SEP and Barbara's falling out with "friends" over anti-intellectualism - that I would hope could be linked up the same way you have been describing putting other examples in.  I think it lends some weight to the implication of (and resistance to) these ideas when brought out in public.  It seems easy for those of us readers, especially ones in a 'Help Albert' group, to take some of this in as matter-of-fact and that our only challenges ahead would be about 'organizing'... when in fact those usually on our side might be close-minded and threatened as well.

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By Albert, Michael at Nov 25, 2010 13:51 PM

> I noticed that you (rightfully) emphasized that the economy section would require a little more for readers, especially those unfamiliar with parecon/coordinator class analysis.  However, and I'm not sure if this is critique or just observation, this gesture seemed to sort of emphasize that Economics is a "harder" subject like Physics was in your introduction.  

 

I don't think it is harder - that is, real economics as needed for left activism...though the nonsense theories about it are quite hard - as are, for example, the nonsense theories of sociology or literary theory or psychology, etc. I will check the wording. 

 

> While defending "feminism" in a debate, I mentioned the kinship sphere and how feminism developed out of this area of society to someone who had some wierd claims about a feminist ghetto destroying the socialist Left.  

 

There are many economistic socialists who think marxism and marxism leninism was destroyed by the women's movement and civil rights movement distracting people away from class. It is utter nonsense...and I have written explicitly about it online, though I don't remember the title. Perhaps in the ebook version I can include something. 

 

> Still not sure what he meant.  But later when telling a feminist friend about the argument and trying to explain the four spheres and related analyses (feminism, anarchism, antiracism, socialism), I hit a serious roadblock because I couldn't defend on any level why feminism really arives out of the kinship sphere.  Before it had seemed obvious and I would say its a sphere of birth, nurturing, family structures, etc. and women have been on the short-end typically, thus feminism arose from such injustice and hierarchy.  But from there we went into how gender plays in economics, culture, politics and that to limit it, even if just saying its origins were in kinship, then this itself might be sexist.  I'm not confident that I can accurately convey what my friend was saying nor that I am capable yet of seeing things differently as I have not had the same experiences, but I was quite receptive to her viewpoint that initially aligning it with kinship was sexist.

 

Look at the discussions, in Fanfare, about co reproduction and you will see that her concerns are not only evident and addressed, but explained...

 

> Finally, a suggestion if an E-book results.  I keep thinking about different stories from Remembering Tomorrow - eg. for the 2nd half of this chapter, the Ehrenreich's book with SEP and Barbara's falling out with "friends" over anti-intellectualism - that I would hope could be linked up the same way you have been describing putting other examples in.  I think it lends some weight to the implication of (and resistance to) these ideas when brought out in public.  It seems easy for those of us readers, especially ones in a 'Help Albert' group, to take some of this in as matter-of-fact and that our only challenges ahead would be about 'organizing'... when in fact those usually on our side might be close-minded and threatened as well.

 

But it is a hard balance to keep - if you want a single book that acts as an intro to the whole perspective and is accessible - it can't be 500 pages much less 1000, etc. On the other hand, it can't be so succinct that either the point is missed, or the rationale is missing. That is the conundrum...

 

But if the most important use of this book is going to be - "here, please take a look at this" - offered by someone who is an organizer with this perspective to others who have expressed some interest but are new to it - then there can be a further comment - "If it sparks your interest and hope, then there are other things to look at and talk about that will fill in the gaps and extend the insights...."

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By Albert, Michael at Nov 08, 2010 16:55 PM

Apologies for being so tardy with chapter three.

First I was in the UK on a speaking tour for a couple of weeks. They worked me to near death - hell, maybe I was even dead, I'm not sure. I have carefully consider next time whether 22 talks and lots of interviews in 12 cities in as many days, with a couple of travel days at each end, is bearable. Incredibly, with hindsight, I thought I would write a chapter or two while on trains, in hotel rooms, etc., while in the UK. Alas, it was not to be.

Then, arriving home, I hit not the keyboard, but the bed - not only to recover but because I had some kind of vicious cold. I have read about London having painful tb inducing weather, even though it is not all that extreme, and it seems there is some truth to it. A cold that is much less extreme than I am used to in Massachusetts, at least in winter, was much more uncomfortable and even painful in London. I think the effect has something to do with a royal history, or maybe with humidity, or whatever. Anyhow, another week was gone. 

So now I am up and about, and ready to try to proceed - except that tomorrow I have a cataract operation. I don't know how that will interfere but it may be meddlesome for a few days. 

I am also considering a change in tools - I have been writing with Pages on a Mac for a couple of years. Before that it was Word on Windows, and for those old enough to remember, Word Perfect earlier still. Now I am going to try something called Scrivener on the mac. It seems impressive. 

Why bother, you might well ask?

Well, I have in mind for this book a lot of extras that it may become hard to organize in a plain word processing program. I am thinking of the writing largely as an ebook - or at least that will be the full version, including all kinds of extra elements such as video, audio, sidebars, explanatory materials, etc. The examples, the evidence, and so on, will accompany the main text - linked, in boxes, in video screens, etc. 

In other words, I am trying to write the text quite minimalist - but I hope to have a massive array of supporting materials that accompany the usual linear text at least in the ebook version. We'll see if this pans out. 

Scrivener seems particularly well suited to keeping track of it all, working on aspects in any order that seems to work, and finally even generating the ebook version. Again, we'll see.

Anyhow, again my apologies for slowing things down. 

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Re: My Bad...

By Kolahi, Arash at Nov 09, 2010 17:32 PM

Michael,

Take care of yourself. I hope your operation goes well and you have a quick recovery.

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Re: Re: My Bad...

By Albert, Michael at Nov 14, 2010 13:37 PM

Arash,

I am fine, thank you...

I have put up new revisions of the intro, chapter one, and chapter two - and have finally begun work on chapter three and will hopefully have something up soon.

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Re: Chapter Two: Refining Four Views

By Evans, Mark at Oct 31, 2010 20:03 PM

Very nice!

The only thing I can think of that you don’t address here is the issue of the claim that some Marxists make that they already have a three class analysis and that the petty-bourgeoisie are the same thing as the coordinator class.

I mean you do deal with this when you talk about the there being “another demarcation that divides all those who get wages into not one, but instead two classes”.  However, to reach some readers I think you might need be more direct in addressing this issues.
 
However, by engaging in such a discussion I suspect you might very well put other readers off. 

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Re: Re: Chapter Two: Refining Four Views

By Albert, Michael at Nov 03, 2010 17:56 PM

I think I can do it quickly without losing anything - will try.

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Re: Chapter Two: Refining Four Views

By Kolahi, Arash at Oct 19, 2010 09:23 AM

Michael,

This is fantastic!  I just finished reading the new versions of the introduction, chapter 1 and really like the progress!  I noticed that I wasn't able to comment on the latest revisions on the left "Current Draft" menu.  I don't know if that was intentional or an error.

One small comment about chapter one:  I like how you framed the four spheres as existing and being central to all (any) human societies.  In the paragraph the starts with "All history shows these four flexible functions" I wonder if it is also worth mentioning that historically, social movements have also centered on these same four spheres? Feminism, gay liberation etc. -> kinship sphere; anti-racism, nationalism etc. -> community sphere; workers rights etc. -> economic and democracy etc. -> polity.

Regarding Chapter 2:

In terms of content I think it is well done.  I also really like the clarity of your argument in the economic sphere section.  I don't have much of a criticism of content here.

in this paragraph

Rather, those below may retiringly tell themselves, “we belong down here, we didn’t try hard enough, or we weren’t able enough, or we were unlucky, or our kind just doesn’t have what it takes.” They may add, “we do better with those above, above, because they are better at what they do and we get trickle down benefits.” Or they may tell themselves, “We like it down here, less responsibility, less hassle.” And they conclude, that while painful, “all is just, or, at least unalterable.”

You may want to add (as was discussed in the first chapter), that we often internalize failings as being personal although they may really be socially required.  It reminds me of the BS "American dream" propaganda... that if you work hard enough you can "make it" one day... except that for the fact that the overwhelming majority of us work to the bone our whole lives and have nothing to show for it.  (Said much better by dead prez in their song w-4).  And when we don't make it, we think it is because of our own failing (rather than seeing that there are only so many slots in our system).  Or in another realm, how our society tells women they can be happy and fulfilled if only they do x, y, &z... but x, y, & z are unattainable and any failure must be your own.  If the system is basically fair and if you are on the bottom, then it must be your own fault.


Depending on your audience, I think the polity sphere may need a little more elaboration.  While we (Znet'ers) may associate anarchists with being the best critics of existing polity institutions - I don't know if the general population or even a large majority of the progressives will know what you are talking about.  Maybe it's just my experience, but unlike the other two spheres in this section (feminism and nationalists) i don’t think a lot of liberals, progressives etc. would know what you mean here. Maybe relating anarchism to participatory democracy would help?

The economic section is really good I think!

The first time you use the phrase "coordinator class" you may want to say "managerial class or coordinator class" as "managers" is likely more familiar to the general population than "coordinators".

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Re: Re: Chapter Two: Refining Four Views

By Albert, Michael at Oct 19, 2010 11:38 AM

Arash, Thanks for the kind words. We don't have means for commenting on left menu content. And I think it would abuse the blog system for me to post every chapter update so the way to keep commenting on earlier content is tom append it to the earlier initial essay, or to a comment on a later piece. We all see it either way, so no problem. Your other suggestions all seem wise to me and I millwork on them shortly. Thank you.

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By Jones, David at Oct 17, 2010 04:55 AM

In the spirit of supportive critique and as someone who has read the body of your work going back to Between Labor and Capital, I am wondering ; are there new concepts you are introducing? Or is this just Parecon 2.0 ?

Not that there is a theoretical problem as it stands. Just asking is this a response to critique, new insights, historical changes?  Do I need to read it if I get Parecon?

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Re: Wondering

By Albert, Michael at Oct 17, 2010 12:57 PM

It is a bit hard to answer....

My intent is that the book will be a one stop place to get up to speed in the perspective - concepts,  general values, key insights, and themes and some applications - needed to be a confident contributing member of a project to win a participatory society. A book that would arm folks joining that project to confidently welcome others to it, address criticisms, and advance new applications and innovations, even as they also, time permitting, read other works that go deeper in areas they are going to focus more intently on.

More, I am hoping this book can be very accessible - which means not too long, and even more so, very clearly written without jargon and assumptions about prior background.

But will the book go beyond what is already in print?

Well, for analysis and vision - probably not much - unless folks in this group push that certain areas need to be addressed that haven't been, or that certain ideas need to be refined or corrected, etc. In other words, if it was just me writing those two parts, they would be new in style, but for the most part, not substance. Or that is my guess, anyhow - you never know quite, until you do it. Do I welcome comments that would induce innovations - yes, of course. But my priority, in these two parts, is getting across ideas that now exist - until and unless someone pokes a hole in one or more of those.

For the strategy section, however, even if it was just me with no comments, requests, complaints, etc. - still I think it will be innovative in dealing with things that haven't been addressed at all, as yet, by folks with this inclination. So here I will be looking equally for help on how to convey the content - and on what the content is.

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By Marty, Daniel at Oct 16, 2010 18:39 PM

Hi,

As promised, here are my comments.
I first would like to notice a small error in the following sentence:

Further, these contending groups, defined by the the roles people occupy.

The chapter deals with current situations we face day by day. The spheres described can be easily understood and we should feel related to them only through our own experience.
Concerning the economy, this third class is known but certainly not well brought into focus, I agree with that.
As an example, CNT in Spain does not accept any director or member of a board as a member because of their position over the workers. On the other side, CNT strategy does not consider this struggle agaisnt coordinators when does against any private owner'company. And CNT organization do accept some workers like lawyers.

I just want to say I like the way this chapter is explained and I would like to ask if this book will be published in spanish which will certainly interest Spanish people.

Regards

Daniel

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Re: few comments

By Albert, Michael at Oct 16, 2010 19:43 PM

Daniel,

I'll get the double "the"....thanks.

This kind of issue will arise later in the book - but for now, the key thing isn't banning coordinator class people from left movements though certainly one doesn't want them operating in a coordinatorist way inside the movements - or outside them, either. The key thing is not having the movements internally reproduce the coordinator/worker relationship, and, indeed, having structures and practices that overcome the relationship. 

Even for capitalists, this is true. For example, we don't want to say you can't be against capitalism because you own something - nor do we want to say you can't be in our movement because you are a manager or lawyer, doctor or engineer  - however, there need to be serious conditions and responsibilties for being in a movement and serious structures in the movement - which, if a manager or owner accepts them, well, okay, hooray! More on this later, though...

As to being published in Spanish - I can only hope the English publisher, assuming we have one, can line up a Spanish house to do it. The book Parecon is definitely in Spanish - I don't know how many others of mine are, though...

I have done a lot of traveling and speaking - oddly, though - never to Spain. I have to say, I would like to go - Barcelona, Madrid, etc. - to try to develop support for parecon/parsoc there. Perhaps that can happen someday too.


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By Marty, Daniel at Oct 17, 2010 10:49 AM

Michael,

I can agree with no banning any coordinator or capitalist from a left movement only due to its position or name. There are certainly important issues on that matter due to the situation inside the movement but I think the problem arise more because of the coordinator or capitalist role and actions outside the movement. For obvious reasons there are certainly some examples relatively easy to categorize (as for the human resources head of IBM or CEO or BP) but not so easy and source of internal misunderstandings when we deal with let's call grey zone such as doctors or a single-worker owner company. I look forward to read the next chapter on that issue.

Having said that, it's a good new to know the book Parecon exists in Spanish, I will include it in the library of CNT's library in Castellón I'm in charge right now. I hope you could come here in Spain, the idea of Parecon needs to be developped here, this is an important objective in a short term.

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Re: Re: Re: few comments

By Albert, Michael at Oct 17, 2010 12:59 PM

If I got an invite from the CNT to Spain - unless something absolutely unavoidable prevented it - I would most certainly accept. Obviously to give talks, but for seminars, even courses, etc. Sure!

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By Marty, Daniel at Oct 21, 2010 07:38 AM

I promise I keep it in mind, I'll keep you informed.
Hasta pronto

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By Atkinson, Lonnie at Oct 16, 2010 16:26 PM

Hi, Michael.

So I like where the chapter is going and didn't have any major criticism of the substance.  Stylewise, I appreciate when you are generous with the analogies and examples. I personally think it's better to write as if people have little or no background in your subject, no matter the audience. My question/suggestion relates to revision of your chapters.

I was curious as to how different you write (or revise) when you write for a public speech as to when you write for a book. Obviously, you have time to consider in the speech, but I was wondering how much differently you think about your presentation of the words when you're writing for your talks. It may be something conscious, or you may not think of it differently at all.  I ask this because sometimes I think you're public presentations have been a bit easier for me to immediately grasp than your print work.  This is not to say the print work was out of grasp. But that maybe the limitation of words in a public talk changes the way you think when you're writing (or revising).

I'm sorry I don't have a list of examples.  Just more of something that came to mind while reading the past couple chapters. The suggestion part of this is that when you are revising these chaprters, you may want to try and treat them consciously as if they were public talks.

With the size of audience this subject matter deserves, I think the discernment you use in your public speech writing would be helpful in revisions. I know I may be off base (and you may see no difference in your writing processes), but I thought I would throw this out there in case it could be helpful. Plus, it might be a useful tool for revision if you would like to have an audio version of the book (which I think would be a great idea).

Anyway, let me now what you think.



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Re: half question / half suggestion

By Albert, Michael at Oct 16, 2010 17:58 PM

Hi Lonnie, 

 

I will to add more examples, later, once the whole thing exists. I already have put a bt more, not much, in the intro and chapter one, I think. What might help is pointing to where it is hard to get without an example or two.

 

One thing I am thinking about is having a relatively short print book - but a longer digital book, including extras - and that is where a lot of examples and applications and other stuff would go... I haven't decided yet, though. People are starting to do books for tablets which have multimedia in them - which is an attractive possibility...you can do the soundtrack. How are you doing with all that, by the way?

 

You ask about writing for talks versus writing for a book - or a long article, I guess. For me what is different about it is that I don't write out talks. At most I have an outline, maybe some specifics that I want to cover - but the words are virtually whatever comes out when I do it. It is much more natural that way and I can bend it in light of impressions I get from an audience. 

 

Myself, I hate it when a speaker comes and basically reads a prepared talk - of course some can do it well, others, not so much. The only thing worse is a panel where they are all reading - that's torture. But with all reading by a speaker I tend to feel - I could have read that. I want to see this person talk based on what they feel and think at the moment...

 

I think the public talk is easier to grasp than written text for a book, say, not because it would be easier transcribed - but because the actual presentation pushes and pulls the listener along much better than I can achieve in print. There is also a negative reason. With a talk the audience tries to keep pace and so flies right over something they don't quite get. I could be wrong, but that's my impression. 

 

I will try to make this book "conversational" and if my hope about adding multimedia works - then the book will come with some talks in it, at least in the digital version, among other things...

 

A separate audio version of it - you mean like a cassette recording? I have no problem with that in theory - but I suspect I would not be the best at reading it...and would probably die trying... 

 

Now, if the book is any good, a rap version - that's another story. 

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Re: Re: half question / half suggestion

By Quesinberry, Steven at Oct 17, 2010 17:28 PM

Dear Michael,

I suppose I am writing to encourage you to continue to focus on the notion of 'empowerment' that you begin to elucidate in this chapter.   One of the typical arguments made against the isms ( I know Parecon is not an ism) that oppose capitalistic order is that the aim is to turn all people into automatons; it is the idea that any society that does not focus on the capitalistic model will invariably lead to a society devoid of creativity, ingenuity, or original thought.  I am currently about to teach Anthem, Ayn Rand's short novella, to sophomores in high school, and explicit in her presentation of a communistic/socialistic dystopia is that the creative spark, which had hitherto, in capitalistic societies, spurred human development and progress, is now dead.  She develops exactly what you try to propose in your chapter, that we can't allow one group of people, ie coordinators, or the vanguard, or any other group, take the place of the group that previously ran society.  By having individual empowerment as her theme, she effectively creates the straw man of a revolutionary change gone awry.  What I like , is that you are focusing as concretely as possible, on the relatively abstract notion of individual empowerment in an alternative to 'capitalistic free-market freedom,' that I have had to argue with many people who attempt to say that there is no alternative and that the alternatives to the status quo will simply lead to a monolithic society that destroys any notion of the individual's freedom and creativity.

It is the ironic truth of revolutions in general; a revolution is simply turning a full circle and ending where you began.  In almost all revolutions, be it the American, French, Russian, or Chinese, in many ways, the revolution ended where it began, with similar relations and power structures in place and simply a new group of leaders instituting their own decisions over most of the people, whose positions in society had not changed much at all.  I know this is a simplistic view of some of the most complex events in history, but it makes some sense to me.

So, trying to avoid the perpetuation of this continued cycle of revolutions or changes, which leave most elements of society the same while only changing the names of the leaders, is key and I like how you have pinpointed this aspect in your chapter.

So, thanks for allowing people like me an opportunity to participate in your creative process.  With much respect...

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Re: Re: Re: half question / half suggestion

By Albert, Michael at Oct 18, 2010 02:17 AM

You are very welcome. Hopefully I will stay on a path you like.

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