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"Demographic Problems"?

By Noam Chomsky at Jul 13, 2005

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The idea of a "deliberate attempt" [to take over European countries] is too idiotic and racist to merit comment. Reminds me of writings of progressives a century ago that the evil Chinese are secretly attempting to infiltrate into the US and take it over, so we should therefore use bacteriological warfare to exterminate the population of China. On the other hand, the demographic observations have some validity. It's generally true that birth rate declines as societies become more industrialized -- specifically, when women are granted more educational opportunities and freedom. It's also true that after having crushed Africa under its boot for centuries, Europeans are facing great pressures to flee to the countries that enriched themselves in this and other ways. Rather like Mexico-Central America and the US. It's surely more than accident that in the same year when he instituted NAFTA over popular objection, Clinton also initiated the militarization of the previously porous Mexican border, presumably in anticipation of the effects of NAFTA on poor Mexicans. For liberal and progressive individuals who are concerned about the growth of fundamentalism, there are many options. One would be to act to address the causes. There is a very good chance, for example, that offering opportunities to women (including education) will reduce the birth-rate that concerns them -- and that should be done quite apart from such likely consequences. That's within their reach, and it's only the beginning. Another would be to do something about their own societies, which are among the most extreme fundamentalist in the world. I haven't seen polls in Iran or Morocco, but I rather doubt that the proportion of the population that believe in anything comparable to Rapture, or miracles, or creation of the world 6000 years ago, etc., approaches that of the richest and most powerful country in the world. …It's much more extreme in Israel, where there has always been enormous concern for years about "the demographic problem," as it's called -- too many non-Jews in a Jewish state. That lies behind a lot of policies from the "transfer" proposals in the pre-State period, to military actions, to state plans right to the present. The current US-Israeli programs to expand settlement in the West Bank and incorporate its valuable lands and resources in Israel, while leaving the hell-hole that Gaza has become, are based in no small part on these concerns.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Aug 10, 2005 18:16 PM
I'm not justyfying genocide commited by Europeans. I don't support any aspect of US foreign policy. I oppossed US foreign policy in central america in the eighties. I having said all that, I still support a policy of 0 legal and 0 illegal immigration. The full cost of legal and illegal immigration has been completely passed to off to millions of Native-Born White struggling middle class workers. The Native -Born White population brought their fertiity level down to replacement level starting in 1973. Supposedly this was the right thing to do for the environment. They have been severely punished for supposedly doing the right thing for the environment. Native-Born Whites in America will very likely retaliate by increasing their fertility. We may be seeing the early signs of this already.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Aug 09, 2005 01:55 AM
The topic of this Chomsky blog is demographic change in the US and Europe. I, along with millions of other Euro-Americans and Europeans know from direct contact with hindus,sihks,hispanics and chinese immigrants and their first generation descendants that a major demographic shift in America and Europe would harm our interests. Legal and illegal immigration will be shut down completely within the next ten years. There was genocide within non-european societies. They weren't saints. In left theology, genocide is only bad when Europeans engage in it. Blacks, hindu,chinese korean,mexican,sihks and muslims don't go to bed at nght worrying about the welfare of my Native-Born White family or for that matter any Native-Born White American family. I don't go to bed at night worrying about the welfare of their families either. I really don't care about them. I don't sufer from white-guilt. I never will. Euro-Amerians will do wht ever it takes to shut immigration down. If the Republican and Democratic parties crack down on Euro-Americans, both parties will be percieved as treasonous by millions of Euro-Americans. At this point in time, all hell will brake loose. The US will be balkanized along racial lines at a time when resources will be dwindling rapidly. It is hard to see how violent conflict could be avoided.

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By Espinosa_baca, Tenoch at Aug 07, 2005 17:47 PM
Maurice, Didn't you know that merely speaking of the existence of Europe's trans-Atlantic Slave Trade is now racist? Yes, it's all part of the vast "anti-European hate myth" conspiracy. Yes, Europe's wide-scale kidnapping and enslavement of Africans is excusable...it's just the recognition and mention of this historical tragedy that is itself racist. Everyone knows that. And of course, U.S. Black communities today continually speak very highly of the plantation economy that subjugated their ancestors. Calvin must have worked out his conclusions through intimate and sustained dialogue with Black communities in the U.S. and across the Western Hemisphere

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By Blairhead, Calvin at Aug 05, 2005 13:12 PM
Since 75% of Africans lived in a state of enslavement, I have to ask how you come to describe slave drivers as "white". Your selection of white people for blame because of their minor and temporary involvement in an ancient human practice defines you as a racist. The figure of 30 million (the usual anti-white estimate plus five million in this case) is based on a worst case scenario and does not square well with the totality of the evidence. In other words it's an anti-European hate myth. "Sold to a master in Merion, David Evans was put to work land clearing,... the most arduous of colonial labour, work that was spared black slaves because they were too valuable" "Bound Over" John Van der Zee. What colour do you think David Evans was?

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By Espinosa_baca, Tenoch at Aug 03, 2005 18:34 PM
Baldrick, OK, I also can't stand O'Rielly, so we have something in common. But I'm wondering about your response to internal "domestic" terrorism like Oklahoma City. If we're going to fear muslims, should we also fear white conservative working-class males in middle America?

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Aug 03, 2005 14:56 PM
I don't watch Fox news. I despise O'Rielly. My argument is this: America should have stayed the course with a naional origins immigration policy that excluded muslims. Instead, there was a radical change in immigration policy that made it possible for thousands of muslims to come to America. If America had a national origins immigration policy that excluded muslims- continuation of pre-1965 immigration policy-the probability of 9/11 occuring would have been very very close to 0. If Al-Queda detonates one of those missing Russian min-nukes in a major American city, a national origins immigration policy that excludes muslims will be put into place immediately. Legal muslim immigrants will be encouraged to leave.

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By Espinosa_baca, Tenoch at Aug 03, 2005 06:17 AM
Now "diversity" is the cause of 9/11? Sounds like someone's been watching too much Fox News Network. What is your argument beyond sarcasm and empty signifiers?

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Aug 03, 2005 01:11 AM
Maurice On 7/7, the Brits experienced the blessings of diversity. We experienced the blessings of diversity on 9/11. I'm sure there are many more blessings to come in the near future.

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By Blairhead, Calvin at Jul 27, 2005 02:49 AM
Ann Ross did you go into a coma back in the sixties and wake up last weekend? What's wrong with hate. I hate mysoginists, homophobes, prdophiles, rapists and religious nutters. So sue me. I am not, however, filled with fear. It seems to me in fact that you are the one filled with fear. Fear of conflict, fear of upsetting other people, fear of war, etc., etc. What's your problem with violence? Violence is the basis of every civilisation. If you transgress against your neighbours a Police officer will arrest you. If you resist he will use violence against you. If you are uncomfortable with that fact try moveing to the Congo where they have no law.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 26, 2005 21:46 PM
Ann, you might want to give the kumbaya lecture to the legal immigrants from china, india,pakistan,cuba korea,albania and other places. Legal immigrants from all of these nations are organized politically around demographics,. This obvious fact doesn't seem to bother the "saintly" American left. It is a vicious double standard. I stand by my previous comments:the American left has a genocidal intent towards the Native-Born White/Euro American population. One gets called a nazi for stating the obvious about this demographic group which is:this demographic group exists,this demographic group has legitimate interests.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 26, 2005 03:04 AM
Terrence When the 1965 immigration refrom act was debated back in 1965, there was great concern in the Senate that a change in the national origins of migration to the US would radically change the demographics of the US. The possibility that the demographics of the US could change because of the new immigration policy was intensely debated in the Senate back in 1965. Teddy Kennedy reassured everyone that the new immigration policy would not change the demographics of the US.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 26, 2005 02:42 AM
Terrence I believe you are right. Chomsky very likely supports post-1965 US immigration policy because of the demograpic changes that this policy has generated. I oppose the post-1965 immigration policy because it is rapidly changing the demographics of the nation I was born into,transferring wealth from working class and middle-income Americans to the greedy cheating class and drive the US population to almost a billion in my life time and my childrens lifetime. If the traitor Jorge Bush has his way the US population will hit the 5 billion mark in 30 years.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 26, 2005 00:36 AM
Chomsky seems to support autonomy for the Scots. The Scots(is it the Scots or the Scottish?) are not the least bit happy abut the large number of southeast asian and muslim enterong Scotland every year. If south east asian and muslim immigration is high enough, Scotland over time would be demograpicaly transformed. Would Chomsky support the right of the Scots to determine their own immigration policy? A year ago, a well kown Welsh character-the one who appeared in Raiders of the Lost Ark-complained about the of large number of southasian and muslim immigrants living in Wales. He complained very strongly that Welsh culture and society was threatened by the large number of southeast asian immigrants and muslims living in and migrating to Wales. He didn't feel the least bit culturally enriched by southeast asian and muslim immigrants.

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By Blairhead, Calvin at Jul 25, 2005 23:54 PM
"Whites are fleeing the continent they crushed under their heel for two centuries" That's just laughable. No white colonial government, with the sole exception of the Belgian Congo admisitration, ever oppressed Blacks as effectively as Mugabi is doing right now. Black babies were not raped by aids infected men under apartheid. Myopic Chomsky is also seemingly unaware that Africa was terrorised by Islam for far longer than it was by Europeans. He should read Mungo Park's accounts of the Moors in central Africa. Chomsky thinks he can ignore the fact, and the consequences of the fact, that European people, their nations and inevitably, their culture, is being supplanted by mass immigration, because in his words it is not "deliberate". Dismissing arguments as "racist" is just a way of labeling dangerous and pertinent critiques of the liberal canon as beyond civilised consideration. Pathetic.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 25, 2005 16:39 PM
I don't think I used the word race once. However, the world is carved up into different demographic groups/tribes. I think it is foolish to ignore this obvious fact when formulating policy. The fact that the world is carved up into different demographic groups and tribes places very severe constraints on what is and isn't possible in terms of policy. Hindus from India understand that I am not Hindu. Chinese understand by inspection know that I am not Chinese......more later

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By Bongpsumera, Bongpsumera at Jul 25, 2005 04:36 AM
eh... I think it would be a bit of a long shot to characterise indigenous american migration with that of European invasion - after all, from what I know from studying native american history; there were not attempts to systematically annihilate another civilization. Let's keep it real now.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 23, 2005 02:02 AM
Mr Graem I'll click on the link later on and respond to it.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 23, 2005 01:42 AM
Ann It is not my intention to harm and injure your little on-line community. I actually agree with Saint Chomsky on many issues. But it was very clear to me that when he quoted Greenspans testimony before the congress in 2000 he was intentional leaving out what Geenspan was saying about legal immigration. And what Greenspan bascally said was this: inflation is very bad and rapid wage growth is fueling inflation. Therefor we need to increase the number of legal immigrants comming into the US to cool down wage growth. Saint chomsky left this part out. And he has done this several of his writings and public lectures. The Greenspan quote was in several of Chomsky's writings about the techniques used by neo-liberal types in goverment and industry to punish American workers who may have funny ideas about a high wage economy.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 23, 2005 01:15 AM
Ann I appreciate your comments. I think you are being sincere. The left is very quick to toss out the worst charges against anyone who is honest about how post 1965 immigration policy has harmed them personaly or someone close to them. There are many people who oppose high levels of immigration who also oppose US foreign policy and support lefts views on economic issues. right outside my office there is a local chapter of the union 282-temasters-picketing a construction set. This is a group of native-born white and native-born black teamster truck drivers(Two american black woman). They told me that the construction owner was using immigrants from Mexico, Russia and Albania. One guy told me something that made the hair on my stand up. They had protested the use of immigrant workers on construction sites in the city. On one site Russian immigrants were being used. The russian immigrant who was running show said to this teamster guy an American citizen:'I was in KGB. You nothing to me. This is a Russian construction site. I could kill you if I want to. Get lost American"

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 15:42 PM
Noam Chomsky-a multimillionaire with a nice second home on Martha's Vineyard-is a fraud. The immigration policy that he advocates is causing a massive transfer of wealth and power away from Native-Born White Workers to the greedy cheating class which has among its members these days in the US a large number of predatory legal asian immigrants. 0 legal and illegal immigration a some point in time would cause a severe labor scarcity which I and millions of other Native-Born White Americans would welcome with open arms. A severe labor scarcity would put significant upward pressure on wages and give Native-Born White Workers much bargaining power in the labor market. A severe labor scarcity has been the single most important factor in improving the economic condition of Native-Born White Americans. The immigration policy that the multimillionaire rootless cosmopolitan Noam Chomsky-nice home on Martha's Vineyard-advocates denies millions of Native-Born White Workers the benefit of a severe labor scarcity. This policy is reducing them to wage slaves.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 15:14 PM
Your claim that immigrants do jobs that Americans won't do is largely a lie. I here this a lot from lefties. It's really despicable. Lefties are now providing a wage slave justication-could a chattel slave justification be next-for immigration. And in situations where American workers can not be found, let the jobs disappear from the economy. Good riddance to all those meaningless low wage wage slave jobs. Robotic slaves could be used in these situations. This is a technological problem that could be easily solved. Native-Born White Americans have had a lot of exposure to asians,muslims and hispanics. They have voted with their feet against the demographic shift and brutal labor market conditions caused by post-1965 immigration policy. Whatever will the Native-White population do in the face of the hindu and muslim threat in America? They will very likely kick the hindu and muslim out of America. One more major Al-Queda attack on US soil will bring us to this point very quickly.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 14:39 PM
Ameridians migrated to North America just like the Europeans did. It is an open questin these days as to which demographic group came here first. The hindu legal immigrant is extremely predatory. Just in the past year, three multimillionaire legal hindu immigrants went on the Lou Dobbs show and threatened American workers-many of whom are White-that the hindu legal immigrant community in America would retaliate if the H1-B program was shut down. High levels of legal and illegal immigration reduces American workers to wage slaves. Native-Born White workers understand this all too well. This is why so many of them oppose high levels of legal and illegal immigration. The control over the supply of labor is an old battle in American labor history.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 14:15 PM
Your hatred for the Native-Born White Population of America is obvious. The majority of Native-born Whites already oppose post -1965 immigration policy. With each passing year the immigration reform movement increases in scale. More and more Native-Born White Americans are joining. Since you and your fellow lefties provide no reasons why Native-Born Whites should support high levels of legal and illegal immigration, Native-Born Americans will continue to work hard to bring immigration down to 0. At some point in time, there will be a showdown over immigration in the US and Europe. Native-born Whites at some point in time will do whatever takes to shut down legla and illegal immigration. Are you sure you want to fight them?

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By Bongpsumera, Bongpsumera at Jul 22, 2005 05:53 AM
Mr Baldrick (Native-Born White American family), it's great that you think that the demographic you keenly represent should suddenly give credence to your concerns over immigration policy comparing the US with more monocultural nations such as India and China. Ahem... I wonder if the 'real' native americans (i.e. indigenous americans) had maintained and enforced a policy that you are more inclined to favour, the white americans of the mayflower would be stuck out in Europe getting persecuted - meaning no imperial US of A as we now know it. Damn!

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 03:57 AM
The multi-millionaire Chomsky-second home on Martha's Vineyard-is a fraud. He advocates an immigration policy that is reducing millions of Native-Born White Americans(and very likely Black Americans also) to wage slaves. High levels of legal and illegal immigration are causing a massive transfer of wealth and power away from American workers-many of whom are white-to the greedy cheating class who are supposed to be Chomsky's enemy. I come from a Native-Born White American family. My family has expereinced the nastiness of legal immigration-the predatory hindu variety. We weren't the only family to experience this. If one is a racist for having a demographic preference for the nation one was born into, then every leftist is a racist because leftists have a non-white/european preference for America's future. There are a billion racists living in china and a billion racists living in india. The chinese and hindus have a strong demographic preference for China and India and we all know what it is.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 03:34 AM
Still no signs of an intelligent response. Carol Swain is right. You claim that there is no immigration crisis in America and ther US. You are either incredibly ignorant or a liar. Immigration is a major issue in both Europe and America. Go ahead and make yourself look stupid by denying it. Does the name Pym Fortyn(don't know if I'm spelling his name correctly). If those are the reasons Chomsky supports open borders, than he is an incredibly stupid man. High levels of legal and illegal immigration are obviously provoking xenophobia in the European and Euro-Amrican populations-for good reason. Immigrants are stealing jobs from Americans of European descent and suppresing their wages. I'll state the obvious again:the American left supports open borders because the American left wants to see a major demographic transformation take place in America that would reduce Euro-Americans to a very small prcentage of the population. How do I know this? I know lefties very well. I read their publications and listen to their radio broadcasts. Leftists are very open about this. Just take a look at the most recent issue of the progressive.

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By Macassey, John at Jul 22, 2005 01:53 AM
The future prospects for a Palestinian nation are indeed bleak. At best, Gaza will be Palestine while the west bank, already 48% owned by Jews, will become a kind of apartheid regime similar to pre liberated South Africa. A huge potential future problem for the Jews for the simple reason that the Palestinians multiply faster. Sharons present government has two choices. Either keep the Palestinians fenced in small "Bantustans" or force their expulsion. The latter could be achieved peacefully by simply making life extremely uncomfortable and stunted through deprivation, more land seizures, continueing destruction of their olive groves and ongoing economic pressure. I doubt that the Jews can, long term, prevent the Palestinians gaining their eventual freedom and even defendable boundaries.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 00:54 AM
Chomsky is a fraud. His reasons for supportng an open borders immigration policy aren't all that different from Greenspan's which are:1)radically changing the demographics of the United States-this is very central to the treasonous neocons political agenda who infest the Jorge Bush administration 2)to globalize domestic US labor markets for the benefit of the the greedy cheating class. It is reason number two that makes him fraud.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 22, 2005 00:32 AM
Carol Swain is right, the left has no intelligent response to the immigration crisis in Europe and America. If you have any doubts, read Grahaems response to my comments. You claim that high levels of immigration-I realize that lefties believe that too few immigrants are allowed into America each year-is overwhelming beneficial to America and Europe. Says who? Which corporate whore economist on the Cato institute payroll and American enterprise payroll would you like to quote. Leftists are very quick to toss the racist charge out against anyone who opposses post 1965 immigration policy. Of course, what they mean by racist is anyone who doesn't share their demographic preference for the future of America. Chomsky's claim that Clinton is anti-immigrant-I wish Clinton had been anti-immigrant-because Clinton added few extra border patrol agents is absurd. If Clinton had completetly opened the borders with Mexico as Chomsky would have liked him to do, their would have been a massive revolt by the American people. Clinton could have been put on trial for treason. Immigration refrom would definitely have been speeded up. I actually wish Clinton had opened the borders for that reason.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 21, 2005 17:04 PM
I agree with political scientists Carol Swain. The left has no intelligent response to the immigration/demographic crisis in America and Europe. Chomsky is a fraud. He intentionally leaves out Greenspan's comments about how wonderfull legal immigration is because immigrants are an alternative supply of that the bossman can use to undermine the bargaining power of American labor. But what would you expect from a millioniare rootless cosmopolitan with a second home in Cape Cod.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 21, 2005 16:28 PM
The "pro-labor" lefts position on immigration is identical to Alan Geenspan a well known enemy of American labor. A few years back Greenspan testified before congres on the state of the economy. Chomsky's recent writings contains a few quotes from Greenspan's testimony. These Greenspan quotes are dripping with anti-labor sentiment. However, Chomsky leaves out an important quote from Geenspans testimony. I'll paraphrase Greespan:legal immigration is good because it creatres downward pressure on wages.

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By Jplascyk, Baldrick at Jul 21, 2005 15:43 PM
Let us be honest. The left understands that post 1965 US immigration policy will result in White Americans being demographically wiped out over time. LEftists think this would be s good thing. There is obviously a rebellion against post 1965 immigration policy. Eventually there will be a showdown over this policy. I have spoken to hindus and muslims off the boat. They understand that post 1965 immigrtation policy is changing the demographiucs of the US very rapidly and approve of it.

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By Antiamerican800, Bernardo at Jul 15, 2005 07:50 AM
Humans are truly a wretched species, doomed to a miniscule 100 years of life, if your lucky, on a benighted obscure planet rife with ignorance, diseases and violence. From a scientific perspective it's utterly meaningless, the frantic scurrying of vertebrate bacterium on a dust mote.

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By Antiamerican800, Bernardo at Jul 14, 2005 23:54 PM
I agree with the librarian of the great library of ancient Alexandria, Aristophanes who said that there was good and bad in every country, objecting to Aristotle's claim that the world was divided into Greeks and barbarians. Still you must admit that Noam would fight like a barbarian if his family were threatened. As is shown in the film Straw Dogs. Where the intellectual ends up throwing boiling water into the faces of the hoods invading his home.

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By Cacioppo, Jonas at Jul 14, 2005 06:19 AM
It was a bit mangled, true. I mean to say it is very difficult for a reasonable mind to think of any particular group of people (that is, a race or ethnicity) as posing a "problem" for the larger society. Sorry for the confusion.

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By K, Mr at Jul 14, 2005 05:28 AM
God bless Canada and it's racialization process which can be called 'multicultural'. Breeding hominids and placing them in regions is what elite power does! It's called an immigration program specifically designed by racist bigots and continued to this day. Only good 'breeds' are allowed to develop and keep your hands off those 'good' breeds like saudi arabians and other 'elite' breeding interests and this world will spin just fine eh?

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By Cacioppo, Jonas at Jul 14, 2005 03:38 AM
Speaking from a wonderful, pluralist country like the United States, it's hard for me as a Jew of Italian descent (and thus something of a minority) to imagine a "demographic problem" in America, for instance. That's the beauty of such a society, I suppose. For if any group of people poses a "problem" to the larger society, well, it takes an unreasonable stretch of the mind to acknowledge it.

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By Baehrend, Chris at Jul 13, 2005 21:00 PM
It is always our duty to correct the most grievous injustices, in which we are involved, no matter what motivates us to that task. And especially when that means we avert an escalation of terrible events. Of course, there must be no capitulation to terrorist demands whatsoever. But it is clear that there are great injustices that we, the west, can help to solve in the middle east, in africa, around the world. These are injustices that we bear some responsibility for, even if only because we live in a global world and we are profiting from the resources of their land, while so many of them are not. We can make a positive difference with our foreign policy and that _will_ make us all more safe. Justice will win over retribution in the long run. Or the world will tear itself to pieces. Didn't we just remember that last month? I defend the right of people to be islamic fundamentalists. But the suffering of the larger communities which breed and inspire terrorists must be acknowledged and relieved. Christian fundamentalists have a right to exist, to run for office, to participate in society—we don't worry (as much) about them bombing our cities. Give a poor person a stake in society, as we have given many in the west, and you will see how quickly they become its advocates. It is not simply ethical to do so, but it is also the smartest strategy. We'll either live in a more humane world, or we'll live in a police state, and evetually the police will lose.

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Re: "Demographic Problems"?

By Bok, Yakov at Jul 13, 2005 18:14 PM
When the terrorists themselves have said their goal is to spread Islam throughout the world, it is not idiotic to reiterate that that is the terrorists goal. NAFTA was not passed over "popular objection" and the benefits of NAFTA are experienced daily. When Israel is in the process of dismantling settlements, it is hardly accurate to state otherwise. Additionally, Gaza has always been a "hellhole." That's one of the reasons Egypt did not want that territory back when offered. Further, to single out Israel for being concerned about keeping its Jewish identity is just plain bigotted. Fully 1/3 of Israel's population was kicked out of Arab countries simply for being Jewish. Additionally, many of those Arab countries hold the Islamic policy that non-muslims are not allowed to be citizens. Israel at least allows non-Jews to be citizens. As always, I question Chomsky's motives for criticizing Israel based on his failure to become a kibbutz leader in the 1950s. Finally, Chomsky was correct in asserting that education and birth control need to be seriously addressed in the 3rd world. Perhaps if the left were to focus on those issues instead of disaterous economic policies like Parecon, some positive changes might occur.

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