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Honduras, Washington, and Liberal-Left Grasping at Straws




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So liberal-left Obama supporters think they've got something to crow about in regard to Honduras. As George Ciccareillo-Maher noted recently on Counterpunch: "Previously resigned Obamaphiles, desperate to grasp at any shred of proof suggesting that they were right to get high on hope and expect imminent change, are closing ranks around their government and insisting that the U.S. government's response to the Honduran coup is proof positive of such change. Some even go so far as to claim that the Obama administration's support for Zelaya has been ‘unambiguous,' adding that ‘complaints that Washington hasn't acted fast enough to denounce the Honduran coup are silly and ignorant on the face of them.'"[1]

       

SOME "BLUNT LESSON[S] ABOUT POWER"

 

"Rebranding War and Occupation"

 

We'll return to Washington and Honduras in a moment, after some comments on why  Obama's "progressive" fans are clutching at straws. It's been a weird and lonely time for many of them, what with Barack Obama's blatant escalation of terrorist, civilian-slaughtering war in South Asia, his apparently indefinite continuation of the Iraq occupation, his increase of the "defense" (empire) budget (Morgan Stanley reported last November that Obama rejects the silly concept of a "peace dividend"), his advance approval for an Israel attack on Iran, his refusal to move in any serious way against Israel's occupation of Palestine, his continuing refusal to permit Jean Bertrand Aristide back into the Caribbean, and...so on (the list goes on and on).

 

Did anyone besides Noam Chomsky notice the June 10th New York Times article in which we learned that Obama was pressuring the Iraqi government not to permit the popular referendum required by the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) - the withdrawal document forced on the Bush administration by the Iraqi resistance. As the Times explained, the Obama administration fears that the Iraqi population might insist on the immediate removal of all U.S. troops, rejecting the SOFA provision that delays U.S. withdrawal until 2012.  Such insistence, described as "anti-Americanism" by U.S. officials, would be consistent with longstanding majority Iraqi opinion, recorded in Pentagon-run polls and other Western surveys. The legally mandated referendum (described by the Times as a "potent poison pill approved at the same time as the security agreement as a way to appease political factions that did not want to be tarred with the accusation that they had voted for a measure that allowed American soldiers to stay on Iraqi soil until 2012") was scheduled for July 30, 2009. In likely "deference to American concerns," the Times reported,  the Iraqi cabinet declared its wish to delay the vote for six months so that it could be held at the same time as national elections in January "to save money and time."[2]

 

"Overall," the prolific left journalist Jeremy Scahill noted in mid-June of 2009, Obama is "implementing a U.S. foreign policy that in some ways --or, I think, in many ways--advances the interest of the American empire in a way the Republicans could only have dreamed of doing." Further:

 

"What people, I think, misunderstand about Barack Obama is that this is a man who is a brilliant supporter of empire - who has figured out a way to essentially trick a lot of people into believing they're supporting radical change, when in effect what they're doing is supporting a radical expansion of the U.S. empire."

         

"I think that Obama is showing himself to be a master of misdirection--almost like a magician. He'll say a few things in his speech that sound like they're new, like a totally different U.S. approach, but then he'll also at the same time roll out a policy that is further than even Bush took things."

 

The title of the article in which Scahill made these comments said a mouthful:  "Rebranding War and Occupation." [3] In comments made around the same time during a speech at the annual meetings of the International Socialist Organization, Scahill observed that "Obama is an incredibly Orwellian character.  He can make people think that war is peace."[4]

 

"The Architects of Policy Protect Their Own Interests"          

 

Then there's Obama's domestic agenda of, for, and by the wealthy Few. In the May 2009 edition of the centrist public affairs magazine The Atlantic, Simon Johnson, the former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund (no leftist!), argued that the Obama administration was for all intents and purposes in Wall Street's pocket. In an article titled "The Quiet Coup," Johnson argued that, in the words of the Atlantic's editors, "the finance industry has effectively captured our government— a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF's staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we're running out of time." By Johnson's account, "Throughout the crisis, the government has taken extreme care not to upset the interests of the financial institutions or to question the basic outlines of the system that got us here...[the] elite business interests [who] played a central role in creating the crisis...with the implicit backing of the government" [are] "now using their influence to prevent precisely [the] reforms that are needed, and fast, to pull the economy out of its nosedive...The [Obama] government seems helpless, or unwilling, to act against them."[5]

 

Chomsky rightly sees this statement as chilling confirmation of the great 18th century economist and philosopher Adam Smith's warning that "the architects of policy protect their own interests, no matter how grievous the effect on others."

 

"And they are the architects of policy," Chomsky adds.  "Obama made sure to staff his economic team with advisors from [the financial] sector."[6]

 

As giant financial bailouts for Wall Street oligarchs combined with growing destitution amongst the popular Many to expose the chasm between the investor and political classes and the broad citizenry last March, the liberal-left journalist and author William Greider made a telling observation in the Washington Post

 

"People everywhere [have] learned a blunt lesson about power, who has it and who doesn't.  They [have] watched Washington run to rescue the very financial interests that caused the catastrophe.  They [have] learned that government has plenty of money to spend when the right people want it.  ‘Where's my bailout,' became the rueful punch line at lunch counters and construction sides nationwide.  Then to deepen the insult, people [have] watched as establishment forces re-launched their campaign for ‘entitlement reform - a euphemism for whacking Social Security benefits, Medicare and Medicaid." [7]

        

A glowing Los Angeles Times assessment of Obama's first hundred Days reproduced an interesting statement from Obama to the leaders of the banking industry last March. As the financial chieftains began to complain to him about the public's failure to understand their industry's need for high levels of compensation, Obama cut them off.  "Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen" Obama said. "The public isn't buying that.  My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." [8]

 

A student who told me about this Los Angeles Times report wrote me with an interesting comment: "The question for me (and I assume for many leftists) is why is Obama using his administration to protect the bankers from the angry rabble (us)? Why doesn't his administration simply address the people's needs and leave the bankers to their fate? These are, of course, rhetorical questions. We know that he is serving to protect and legitimate the highly undemocratic and destructive class system of state capitalism through another crisis."

 

HONDURAS

 

Oh, but look, liberal-left Obama fans exult, there's Honduras! Yes, Honduras,   where right-wing generals and politicians undertook a coup against a left-leaning and democratically elected president and....our "progressive" NOT Bush president.... DID NOT RUSH TO DEFEND the criminal action!  He even "condemned" it!!  Obama has "unambiguously" expressed his belief that the deposed president, Manuel Zelaya, should be returned to power - an opinion shared with nearly every Latin American state and the United Nations General Assembly!!! 

 

Isn't it wonderful, indicative of a dramatically new democratic day in U.S. foreign policy? Isn't it just so different from how the Bush-Cheney administration responded to the short-lived business-media-military coup against Venezuela's leftist president Hugo Chavez in April of 2002?  Hosanna Hey Sanna Sanna Sanna Ho Sanna Hey Sanna Ho Superstar!

 

"Lukewarm, Proper, Belated, and Mixed"

 

Not so fast. Obama has responded with pronounced imperial ambiguity toward the blatantly illegal[9] coup, which was of course carried out by U.S.-trained and U.S. funded military forces and conducted with U.S.-supplied military equipment.[10] While he somewhat belatedly condemned the Honduran coup, Obama has "stepped lightly" (as the Washington Post put it)[11] when it comes to reacting. The White Houses possesses [12] but has yet (as of this writing, on the morning of Monday, July 6th) to decisively exercise the power to quickly restore Zelaya to his rightful office in Honduras, a nation whose government and economy had long been exceedingly dependent on the U.S.

 

On the first evening following the Honduran coup, Obama expressed "deep concern" regarding "the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya" and called on "all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms" and the "the rule of law" so as to resolve "existing tensions and disputes... through dialogue free from any outside interference."  Still, the White House refused to officially/legally declare the removal of Zelaya "a coup."  Making such a declaration would have triggered (under the Foreign Assistance Act) a cutoff of tens of millions of dollars of U.S. aid to the Central American nation.[13] John Negroponte, a former U.S. ambassador to Honduras and a leading, blood-soaked figure in U.S. coordination of mass-murderous right-wing state terror across Central America under Ronald Reagan [14],  told the Post that the Obama administration's disinclination to fully acknowledge the reality of recent events "appeared to reflect reluctance to see Zelaya returned unconditionally to power."[15] 

        

Would the U.S. work seriously for Zelaya's return? Obama's Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, "We haven't laid out any demands that we're insisting on, because we're working with others on behalf of our ultimate objectives."[16] Clinton refused to say whether the declared U.S. goal of "restoring the constitutional order" meant returning Zelaya to power. Her spokesperson Ian Kelly acknowledged on June 29th (one day after the coup) appeared to be holding back from calling the coup a coup because of White House hopes for some sort of "negotiated solution," [17] which could only have meant  the possible return of Zelaya on more U.S. friendly terms.

 

The White House's tepid condemnation and measured rhetoric stood in sharp contrast to most Latin American nations' and the European Union's quick and sharp call for Zelaya's rapid and unconditional return to power, raising what economist and Latin America expert Mark Weisbrot called "suspicions about what the U.S. government is really trying to accomplish in this situation."[18]

 

Yesterday the Honduran government denied Zelaya's plane the right to land at the airport in Honduras' capital and killed at least two protestors calling for the restoration of democracy.  In the wake of these events, Washington applauded as "positive" the coup's government's apparent willingness to "offer some sort of dialogue"[19] with the Organization of American States.  As it turns out, however, the coup's foreign minister says this has proclaimed that Zelaya's return is "not negotiable."[20] According to the liberal-left journalist Al Giardano, "this situation has evolved beyond the capacity of diplomacy to solve it. Calling for ‘dialogue' - although it's what diplomats do, including in their sleep - isn't going to shake anything loose from [the coup leaders]. It is time for State to move aside and bring on the officials with the badges....The hour has now arrived for Washington to classify Honduras as a ‘military coup,' triggering the cut-off of aid to a country whose budget is 65 percent dependent on foreign assistance." [21]

 

Perhaps that will occur tomorrow or the day after - quite tardily from my perspective. Perhaps not. Either way, the veteran left U.S. foreign policy critic William Blum is right: "the response to the coup from the Obama administration can be described with adjectives such as lukewarm, proper but belated, and mixed." [23] It's certainly nothing for "liberal"-progressive types to write home to their leftist grandmas about - that's for sure.  With just a tiny portion of the military and political force it pours into sustaining illegal invasions and occupations (Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine) and dictatorships in oil-rich Southwest Asia, the Obama administration could (in line with majority Latin American and global opinion) have quickly and "unambiguously" restored the democratically elected president to power in Honduras. It seems likely that the White House is working to bring Zelaya back on a conditional basis (on the model of the Clinton administration's re-installation of Jean Bertrand Aristide in 1994)[22], returning him to power on more disciplined, U.S.-friendly terms. But, as Weisbrot notes, any effort to "extract concessions from Zelaya as part of a deal for his return to office" violate the essence of "how democracy works.  If Zelaya wants to negotiate a settlement with his political opponent after he returns, that is another story.  But nobody has the right to extract political concessions from him in exile, over the barrel of a gun."[24]

       

How Much Better Than Bush-Cheney 2002?

 

Insofar as there is anything "progressive" about the Obama administration's willingness to condemn the Honduran coup, much of the credit should go to popular forces and left political developments in Latin America. The southern half of the hemisphere (home to left governments now in Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Argentina, and Chile has moved in a left-progressive direction since the failed coup against Chavez.  The Obama operatives, smarter on the whole than the Bush team, certainly know very well that the balance of political forces and opinion has shifted in ways that would make it counter-productive to be seen as allied with a transparently criminal coup in Central America. They know they have bigger fish to fry in the oil-rich Middle East. At the same time, the Bush administration actually abandoned the anti-Chavez coup fairly quickly, once it saw the handwriting on the wall. As Weisbrot notes:

 

"Many press reports have contrasted the Obama administration's rejection of the Honduran coup with the Bush administration's initial support for the 2002 military coup that briefly overthrew President Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. But actually there are more similarities than differences between the U.S. responses to these two events. Within a day, the Bush administration reversed its official position on the Venezuelan coup, because the rest of the hemisphere had announced that it would not recognize the coup government. Similarly, in this case, the Obama administration is following the rest of the hemisphere, trying not to be the odd man out but at the same time not really sharing their commitment to democracy"

      

"Washington Says it Tried Its Best"

 

Last but not least, there are some disturbing, yet-to-be answered questions about the Obama administration's role leading up to the coup. As Scahill noted one day after Zelaya's removal:

 

"It is impossible to imagine that the US was not aware that the coup was in the works. In fact, this was basically confirmed by The New York Times...While the US has issued heavily-qualified statements critical of the coup—in the aftermath of the events in Honduras—the US could have flexed its tremendous economic muscle before the coup and told the military coup plotters to stand down. The US ties to the Honduran military and political establishment run far too deep for all of this to have gone down without at least tacit support or the turning of a blind eye by some US political or military official(s)."

 

"Here are some facts to consider: the US is the top trading partner for Honduras. The coup plotters/supporters in the Honduran Congress are supporters of the ‘free trade agreements' Washington has imposed on the region. The coup leaders view their actions, in part, as a rejection of Hugo Chavez's influence in Honduras and with Zelaya and an embrace of the United States and Washington's ‘vision' for the region. Obama and the US military could likely have halted this coup with a simple series of phone calls." [25]

 

According to Blum in the latest edition of his always instructive Anti-Empire Report: 

 

"The United States, by its own admission, was fully aware for weeks of the Honduran military's plan to overthrow Zelaya. Washington says it tried its best to change the mind of the plotters. It's difficult to believe that this proved impossible. During the Cold War it was said, with much justification, that the United States could discourage a coup in Latin America with ‘a frown.' The Honduran and American military establishments have long been on very fraternal terms. And it must be asked: In what way and to what extent did the United States warn Zelaya of the impending coup? And what protection did it offer him? It is not unthinkable that the United States gave the military plotters the go-ahead, telling them to keep the traditional "golpe" bloodiness to a minimum. Zelaya was elected to office as the candidate of a conservative party; he then, surprisingly, moved to the left and became a strong critic of a number of Washington policies, and an ally of Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Evo Morales of Bolivia, both of whom the Bush administration tried to overthrow and assassinate."[26]

       

The administration can claim that it tried to "discourage" the coup in advance through conversations with top Honduran military officials. But, as Weisbrot notes, "It would be interesting to know what these discussions were like.  Did administration officials say, ‘You know that we will have to say that we are against such a move if you do it, because every one else will?' Or was it more like, ‘Don't do it, because we will do everything in our power to reverse any such coup?'"  As Weisbrot correctly observes, "The administration's actions since the coup indicate something more like the former, if not worse." [27]

      

"Rather Than Conform to America's Rules"

 

Obama recently told a Chilean reporter that the U.S. cannot apologize for its critical role in the September 11, 1973 coup that overthrew Chile's then elected president Salvador Allende and ushered in the bloody rule of the neo-fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet.  This, Obama explained, is because the U.S. is "an enormous force for good in the world," one that prefers to "look forward," not "backwards" (sound familiar?). Obama's lukewarm response to the Honduran coup of June 28 - ???? 2009 may fall short of what one might expect from such an "enormous force," but it fits rather nicely the imperial mindset articulated in his deeply conservative 2006 campaign book The Audacity of Hope:

 

"Of course there are those who would argue with my starting premise - that any global system built in America's image can alleviate misery in poorer countries...Rather than conform to America's rules, the argument goes, other countries should resist America's efforts to expand its hegemony; instead, they should follow their own path to development, taking their lead from left-leaning populists like Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, or turning to more traditional principles of social organization, like Islamic law...I believe [Chavez and other] critics [of the U.S. and neoliberalism]  are wrong...The system of free markets and liberal democracy... offer[s] people around the world their best chance at a better life" [28]

 

If I might step outside immediate events for a moment, it's worth noting that neoliberal global capitalism has offered no such thing, especially to Latin Americans. [29]Candidate Obama's reflections ended on a profoundly false judgment, properly rejected by "Mel" Zelaya, who came into office in early 2006 as a center-right politician but who subsequently moved left and shifted his desperately impoverished and U.S.-controlled nation into Hugo Chavez's socialist "Bolivarian Alternative for the America's" (ALBA).[30]

 

Paul Street is the author of many essays, speeches, chapters, reviews, and books, including (most recently) Racial Oppression in the Global Metropolis (Rowman & Littlefield, 2007) and Barack Obama and the Future of American Politics (order the latter at http://www.paradigmpublishers.com/books/BookDetail.aspx?productID=186987).

 

NOTES

 

1 George Ciccareillo-Maher, George Ciccariello-Maher, "The Counter-Revolution Will Not be Tweeteed," (July 5, 2009), read at http://www.counterpunch.org/maher07032009.html.Ciccareillo-Maher quotes the intelligent but occasionally abusive Al Giardano, "America Held Hostage: Day Two of the Coup in Honduras," The Narcosphere (June 29, 2009), read at http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/am%C3%A9rica-held-hostage-day-two-coup-honduras

 

2 Noam Chomsky, "Crisis and Hope: Theirs and Ours," Speech to the Riverside Church, New York City (June 12, 2009), transcript available at www.democracynow.org/2009/7/3/noam_chomsky_on _crisis_and_hope; Alissa Rubin, "U.S. Moves Ahead With Vote on Security Pact," New York Times, June 10, 2009. As Chomsky noted, "the current U.S. efforts to prevent the legally required referendum are extremely revealing.  Sometimes they're called ‘democracy promotion.'"

 

3 Jeremy Scahill and Anthony Arnove, "Rebranding War and Occupation," Socialist Worker (June 19, 2009).

 

4 Jeremy Scahill, "Barack Obama and U.S. Foreign Policy," speech at "Socialism 2009," annual conference of the International Socialist Organization (ISO), June 19, 2009, Chicago, Illinois.

 

5 Simon Johnson, "The Quiet Coup," The Atlantic (May 2009), read online at http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice.

 

6 Chomsky, "Crisis and Hope."

 

7 William Greider, "Obama told Us to Speak Out, But Is He Listening?" Washington Post, March 22, 2009.

 

8 Fay Fiore and Mark Barabak, "AUDACITY AND AMBITION:  Obama Begins Leading America in a New Direction," Los Angeles Times, April 19, 2009.

 

9 Albert Vallente Thoreson, "Why Zelaya's Actions Were Legal," CounterPunch (July 1, 2009), read at http://www.counterpunch.org/thorensen07012009.html; Mark Weisbrot, "Does the U.S. Back the Honduran Coup?" The Guardian (UK), July 1, 2009.

 

10 Evan Gollnger, "Obama's First Coup d'Etat: Honduran President Has Been Kidnapped," Venezuelanalaysis (June 29, 2009), read at http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4554; Nicholas Kozloff, "The Coup in Honduras: Obama's Real Message to Latin America?" CounterPunch (June 29, 2009), read at http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff06292009.html.

 

11 Mary Beth Sheridan, "U.S. Condemns Honduran Coup: Still, Administration Steps Lightly," Washington Post, June 30, 2009, read at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/29/AR2009062904239.html.

 

12 Roberto Lovato, "Obama Has the Power and Responsibility to Restore Democracy in Honduras," Huffington Post (June 29, 2009), read at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roberto-lovato/obama-has-the-power-and-r_b_222170.html.

 

13 FOX News, "Obama Calls for Order," FOX News (June 28, 2009), read at http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/28/obama-calls-order-military-arrests-honduran-president/; Scahill, "A Few Thoughts;" Greg Grandin, "Democracy Derailed in Honduras," The Nation (June 30, 2009), read at http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090713/grandin/single; Reuters, "U.S. Could Cut Off Aid to Honduras After Coup," AlterNet (June 29, 2009), read at http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N29384895.htm.

 

14 Noam Chomsky, "John Negroponte: From Central America to Iraq" (July 28, 2004), pp. 89-92 in Chomsky, Interventions.

 

15 Sheridan, "U.S. Condemns Honduran Coup: Still, Administration Steps Lightly."

 

16 Quoted in Sheridan, "U.S. Condemns Honduran Coup."

 

17 http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2009/125481.htm

 

18 Weisbrot, "Does the U.S. Back the Honduran Coup?"

 

19 Jose De Cordoba and David Luhnow, "Honduras Standoff Heats Up," The Wall Street Journal, July 6, 2009, p.A6.

 

20 Al Giardano, "Honduras Coup's Preconditions Leave Nothing to Negotiate," The Narcosphere (July 6, 2009), read at http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/honduras-coups-preconditions-leave-nothing-negotiate#comments.

 

21 Giardano, "Honduras Coup's Preconditions"

 

22 William Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower (Monroe, ME: Common Courage, 2005), pp. 202-03.

 

23  William Blum, The Anti-Empire Report (July 3, 2009), read at http://killinghope.org/bblum6/aer71.html

 

24 Weisbrot, "Does the U.S. Back the Honduran Coup?"

 

25  Jeremy Scahill, "A Few Thoughts on the Coup in Honduras," Common Dreams (June 30, 2009), read at http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/29-11. 

 

26  Blum, Anti-Empire Report.

 

27 Weisbrot, "Does the U.S. Back the Honduran Coup?"

 

28 Obama, The Audacity of Hope (New York, 2006), p. 315.

 

29 Mark Weisbrot, "The Mirage of Progress," American Prospect (January 1, 2002), read at http://www.prospect.org/cs/articlesarticle=the_mirage_of_progress; Mark Weisbrot, "Globalization Fails to Deliver the Goods," Common Dreams (August 29, 2002), read at http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0829-05.htm

 

 

 

 

30 Kozloff, "The Coup in Honduras;" Grandin, "Democracy Derailed."

John Ross article linked

By Street, Paul at Jul 10, 2009 23:01 PM

Excellent piece on Honduras by John Ross: http://www.counterpunch.org/ross07102009.html

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Re: Honduras, Washington, and Liberal-Left Grasping at Straws

By Street, Paul at Jul 09, 2009 22:53 PM

Reflections (note sense of contingency at end) on Washington and the Honduras coup from Noam Chomsky on Thursday July 9:

The Western hemisphere also witnessed an election-related crime at the month's end. A military coup in Honduras ousted President Manuel Zelaya and expelled him to Costa Rica. As observed by economist Mark Weisbrot, an experienced analyst of Latin American affairs, the social structure of the coup is "a recurrent story in Latin America," pitting "a reform president who is supported by labor unions and social organizations against a mafia-like, drug-ridden, corrupt political elite who is accustomed to choosing not only the Supreme Court and the Congress, but also the president."
 
Mainstream commentary described the coup as an unfortunate return to the bad days of decades ago. But that is mistaken. This is the third military coup in the past decade, all conforming to the "recurrent story." The first, in Venezuela in 2002, was supported by the Bush administration, which, however, backed down after sharp Latin American condemnation and restoration of the elected government by a popular uprising. The second, in Haiti in 2004, was carried out by Haiti's traditional torturers, France and the US. The elected President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, was spirited to Central Africa and kept at a safe distance from Haiti by the master of the hemisphere.
 
What is novel in the Honduras coup is that the US has not lent it support. Rather, the US joined with the Organization of American States in opposing the coup, though with a more reserved condemnation than others, and without any action, unlike the neighboring states and much of the rest of Latin America. Alone in the region, the US has not withdrawn its ambassador, as did France, Spain and Italy along with Latin American states.
 
It was reported that Washington had advance information about a possible coup, and tried to prevent it. It surpasses imagination that Washington did not have close knowledge of what was underway in Honduras, which is highly dependent on US aid, and whose military is armed, trained, and advised by Washington. Military relations have been particularly close since the 1980s, when Honduras was the base for Reagan's terrorist war against Nicaragua.
 
Whether this will play out as another chapter of the "recurrent story" remains to be seen, and will depend in no small measure on reactions within the United States

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Re: Honduras, Washington, and Liberal-Left Grasping at Straws

By Street, Paul at Jul 09, 2009 08:06 AM

Here is an important dispatch from Honduras by Keegan Smith on the ZNet blog system: http://www.zcommunications.org/blog/view/3443

Calm in Honduras a threat to justice

By Keegan Keegan at Jul 9, 2009

 

 

Last night I arrived to San Pedro Sula airport in the north of Honduras because the airport in the capital Tegucigalpa has been closed for the last 48 hours. Arriving to a country which has just undergone a fascist overthrow I was expecting more a dramatic welcome; questions from border control about why I was coming, a thorough review of my bag, heavy military presence in the airport and streets painted with messages for and against the coup. None of this manifested in San Pedro Sula nor were we stopped at any of the army checkpoints on the way to the capital.

 

Watching the TV here one could assume that "problem" of President Zelaya has all but been resolved. The government and private media are trying to create a sense of normality and calm about current events calling for, dialogue with President Zelaya, peace and democracy. The Honduran congress has been quick to put in place a number of reforms and measures aimed at appeasing public opinion. There is talk about a solidarity tax of 5% to help overcome the effects of decreased foreign aid and the extension of micro-credit and new health programs. With regards to tomorrows negotiations in Costa Rica the coup leaders are talking about an offer of amnesty for Zelaya with respect to "some of his crimes." The call for calm and dialogue has been accompanied with proclamations by congress and the private sector that Zelaya cannot under any circumstances come back to Honduras, or be restored to power because it will create a "blood bath". They don't mention that it will be their orders which create the blood bath.
To understand that it's not business as usual in Honduras you have to get on the streets. In Tegucigalpa a trail has been left where daily marches have been taking control of the streets and which took control of much of the area surrounding the airport on Sunday with the hope of clearing an entry for President Zelaya. In these areas the walls are covered with messages against the coup. In reply the illegitimate government of Micheletti has also been quick to put up billboards calling for peace and democracy and in thanking itself for providing these rights.
Amongst those leading the fight against the coup there are clear demands. The return of President Zelaya, the return of the guarantee for individual rights, a guarantee for the creation of a Constituent Assembly (one of the causes of the coup) and justice for the perpetrators of repression and death against protesters. It seems that they are very optimistic about international pressure bringing down the coup government in tomorrows dialogue in Costa Rica. The National Front Against the Coup in Honduras is also demanding a presence in these discussions.
Unfortunately don't share their hope for international pressure to bring down the regime. I believe that US intelligence at the very least permitted the coup (or more likely helped in the planning it) and that the US governments ambiguity in the media and refusal to withdraw personnel from its embassy are signs that this hope may be misplaced. Listening to Hillary Clinton yesterday it seems that the US is going to support the Micheletti regime. There are a number of reasons why many believe that the US is opposing the coup and that it didn't help in the planning but these arguments lean on the historical precedent of open attacks on democracy such as the overthrow of Salvador Allende in Chile.
Some think the apparent clumsiness of actions to remove President Zelaya are a sign that the coup wasn't well planned. The actions taken to remove President Zelaya included a fraudulent resignation, a vote of no confidence from congress and the military kidnapping, events which occurred out of sequence. Also the US government's suspension of joint military actions is seen as a sign of opposition however the level of involvement in preparation of Honduran troops by US forces is such that the Honduran Defense Force is effectively a wing of the US Defense Force.
Hope for a foreign blockade has created somewhat of a sense of calm amongst the left and contentment with marches rather than more direct action against the coup's perpetrators. They have also attempted to avoid violence and are planning strategies around preventing conflict.
Tomorrow's negotiations will most likely tell us whether this pacifist approach has been an effective one. Should the actions of those against the coup move towards more direct actions of closing businesses and blocking the borders the Honduran coup leaders will have little choice but to use more force. Should this escalating scene eventuate there is a choice to be made between martyrdom and self-defense.
The recent history of the struggle in Oaxaca where the capital city was taken over for 6 months by armed and unarmed social movements but which ultimately failed to achieve their objectives is a reminder that popular regime change through local struggle is very difficult to create. They closed banks, created their own media outlets and police forces, they closed roads and took over government offices but still the governor remains. Another example is the huge protests against the electoral fraud in Mexico in 2006 which closed the centre of Mexico City and other strategic locations down for weeks and created a parallel government. This action also ultimately failed. Peru's massively unpopular president Alan Garcia also remains in power despite the amount of blood on his hands and wide condemnation throughout Latin America.
It seems the oligarchy have learnt a lot of lessons from its continent wide struggle against socialist and progressive movements and governments over the last decade. A new strategy has been developed with the same objectives as those employed from the 50's to the 80's against anti-capitalist movements in Latin America. If this new "coup light" proves a winner in Honduras it will surely be marketed in one form or another against those who dare attempt to restore sovereignty and break away from capitalisms strict neo-liberal norms.
For the sake of the continent and the world let's join the Honduran struggle using the lessons from the lefts recent success and failures in Latin America and remove this coup government. Waiting on US diplomacy will almost certainly result in our failure.
Peace without justice is a crime.

By Keegan Smith

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By Street, Paul at Jul 08, 2009 12:43 PM

Technical issue here - the  preceding comment is correct....

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Re: Honduras, Washington, and Liberal-Left Grasping at Straws

By Street, Paul at Jul 08, 2009 11:21 AM

http://amleft.blogspot.com/  (thanks for link Chris) --- this would be my observation largely as well. I suspected (though did not verify) that the currently visting "online pugilist" was directly affiliated with the madness over at the generally informative zine in question. Perhaps some cyber-Marlow  can go down into the Heart of Narcosphere's Darkness and bring back their Kurtz(es) from the abyss. I will take some gentle issue with American Leftist's following comment: :

"Anthony Schofield, a reporter associated with The Narcosphere, sounded the alarm about an anti-Al piece on Z-Net, and gave a short rebuttal there, not recognizing the obvious, embarrassing contradiction between a site like Z-Net that permits engaged debate and Narco News which does not."

Assuming that's about this piece and attached comments, three things:

1. Not an "anti-Al" piece -- more accurate to say (if we must go with "anti-") "anti-liberal-left" or "anti-Daily Kos" or even "anti-Obama" than to call it "anti-Al."  Fairly or not, AG was a prop in a bigger argument (and I repeat that Narco News merits consultation) 

2, No real rebuttal, really; more in the way of insulting in the bully mode criticized (rightly in my opinion) in the American Leftist blog

3.  We do not have the ideological censorship (ZNet is a big tent) but I do think you have to pay (by being a Sustainer, which is a very good thing to be by the way) to comment (that may have changed and if it has I withdraw the qualification)

Personally I tend to be relieved af the end of a CounterPunch article that you don't go look at comments (which can be exhausting and bad for the blood pressure) since there aren't any.  I would prefer to seperate comments from articles.  Do the article and let it stand alone, Then have a separate zine blog for people to duke it out all they want regarding specific essays.

As the corporate-media-shaped world continued to mourn the King of Pop and moves into weeks (months?) of obsession with Michael Jackson's death-circumstances, estate, and unveiled children, empire's new clothes stood strong with provocative "missile shield" deployments in Eastern Europe .

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Re: American Leftist Narco News Post

By Estes, Richard at Jul 08, 2009 12:10 PM

Paul, just as a clarification, the terms <i>anti-Al</i> and <i>gave a short rebuttal</i> in relation to Schofield's comment here were italicized in the post at the American Leftist site, which is generally my way of letting people speak for themselves

in other words, I wasn't adopting his perspective that the piece was <i>anti-Al</i>, only that he said that it was

by the way, enjoyed the article as well, as it explores what I have described as the distinction between symbolism and substance, a distinction that the Obama administration manipulates masterfully to please progressives while preserving the essential contours of imperial policy

it also motivated me to join ZCom as well

--Richard Estes

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Re: Re: American Leftist Narco News Post

By Street, Paul at Jul 08, 2009 12:40 PM

Ok - thanks for good clarification Richard.  Symbolism versus substance -- oh yes, absolutely...like how Obama earlier this year railed about Wall Street salaries at the same time as he was preparing to roll out a giant bailout of the very financial perpetrators who have sucked so much of the life out of our economic existence. Like how Obama flies into hard-hit Elkhart Indiana or Pomona, CA to express concern for the poor and working class but of course proceeds with top-up Temporary Assistance for Needy Financial and Insurance Giants and refuses to work for the Employee Free Choice Act and marginalizes advocates of the only sensible social-democratic health care solution (single payer) and works up an auto bailout that subsidizes more GM capital flight and refuses to rescind his repeated praise of the 1990s public family cash assistance elimination ("welfare reform")  --- a supposed great bipartisan policy triumph for "American values."  I could go on but it might send me into a Narcospheric frenzy....

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By Green, Chris at Jul 08, 2009 02:19 AM

The blog American Leftist made this statement about NarcoNews's recent comments:

http://amleft.blogspot.com/

 

Narco News and The Field: No Longer Open for Debate 

 

 
I present this post today with some sadness. There are few people who have taken advantage of the Internet to bring attention to marginalized people and social movements as Al Giordano. Through the creation of Narco News, he has extensively covered the political turbulence of Central and South America. Later, through The Field, he provided innovative coverage of the 2008 presidential campaign, and continues to post on US politics, from an avowedly pro-Obama stance.

Despite being raucous, and sometimes personally insulting, Giordano posts articles that reveal what the commercial media conceals. For example, his articles about Mexico over the years have provided us with a priceless alternative perspective about the social turmoil there. Unfortunately, his recourse to villification has escalated in the aftermath of the Honduran coup on June 29th. Even worse, he no longer permits the targets of his abusive posts the courtesy of responding to them. Nor does he permit anyone else to come to their defense or merely object to his obnoxious, holier than thou, character attacks.

In other words, Giordano has become a bully, one who manipulates the moderation of comments on his sites to manufacture an adoring audience. He is now mirroring the behavior of the right that he finds so contemptuous. Perhaps, it has been this way for quite awhile, and I was unaware. I had the misfortune to discover it this week, when I had the temerity to post a comment at Narco News that George Cicarriello-Maher had correctly characterized the public pronouncements of the Obama administration in response to the coup as evasive, displaying an unwillingness to take any concrete action to reverse it. I posted an excerpt from that article here last Friday. By doing so, I was challenging the Giordano narrative that Obama has been against the coup, and will, eventually, take the necessary measures to drive the perpetrators from power. I was sticking my hand into a hornet's nest.

Giordano hates the Ciccariello-Maher article because it also criticizes him for dismissing the possibility that the US was actively involved in the coup, as asserted by Eva Golinger, and calls him to task for an implicitly misogynistic attack upon her screeching about such a prospect. Both Ciccariello-Maher and Golinger are cautioning us, quite rightly in my view, that it is far too early to make such a determination, even if we can conclude that the US is only willing to support the return of Zelaya to Honduras upon condition that he become a figure head serving out the remaining days of his term.

As noted by Ciccariello-Maher, Giordano dispatches Golinger with characteristic drama: In this hour, those that adhere strictly to the documented facts are those that are showing character worth trusting, today and into the future. It is a rather odd statement for many reasons, such as, for example, our knowledge that the documented facts are manufactured by those in the positions of power to do so, as cinematically explained to compelling effect in Kobayashi's samurai masterpiece, Harakiri, among other places. It is also odd, because, Giordano has made a name for himself, and justifiably so, by going beyond the documented facts to get the real story, over and over again. And, of course, it is very odd, because Giordano doesn't believe that our appreciation for the facts is enhanced by permitting people to comment openly, without censorship, on his sites. Because, you see, Giordano, and only Giordano, decides who has character and who does not.

As you might have guessed, Giordano only gave me one bite of the apple. He responded to my comment by saying that Cicarriello-Maher's article was an exercise in political masturbation. The moderator blocked my response that he should engage Ciccariello-Maher more substantively, although Giordano did publish a post that does so today over at The Field, one with a tiresome introduction rife with more personal insults. His primary complaint appears to be that Ciccariello-Maher failed to acknowledge the hard work of Giordano and Narco News in exposing the association of the US with the 2002 coup in Venezuela by (oh, the horror!) giving all the credit to Golinger. Apparently, Cicarriello-Maher, or one of his defenders, tried to post a reply in the comments section, but it was either removed or never cleared. If the posted comments are any indication, his audience of DailyKos liberals cheered Giordano's character attacks upon Ciccariello-Maher and his refusal to allow Cicarriello-Maher a chance to defend himself. I submitted a comment to the effect that I found the entire episode very sad because of what it reveals about Giordano and Narco News. Of course, it never got past the moderator.

Apparently, the sites are now ploughing new ground in parody as well, because, after several people posted how great it was that Giordano won't permit Ciccariello-Maher to respond, Anthony Schofield, a reporter associated with The Narcosphere, sounded the alarm about an anti-Al piece on Z-Net, and gave a short rebuttal there, not recognizing the obvious, embarrassing contradiction between a site like Z-Net that permits engaged debate and Narco News which does not. If I find the time, I may return and engage the substance of their dispute in more detail, but, for now, today's post is an exercise in consumer protection. The Field and Narco News are sites that you should visit at your own risk, with the recognition that the purported discourse in the comments section is strictly controlled. You should read any content there with the understanding that Giordano permits limited critical engagement with it. Narco News remains an essential portal for information about events in Central and South America, but, unfortunately, we must exercise caution in how we utilize it. And, of course, here, unlike at Narco News and The Field, Giordano is free to comment and say whatever he wants.

 

UPDATE: If you find that you have wandered into the comment section of either The Field or Narco News, click on the links under the names of those who have posted comments. You may be surprised at how many of them have been posted by reporters associated with The Narcosphere. It seems to be rather difficult for anyone outside the scene to actually post comments there. As a consequence, the comment sections take on the tone of an echo chamber.

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On being disingenous

By Schofield, Antony at Jul 08, 2009 05:47 AM

"after serveral people posted how great it was that Giordano won't permit Ciccariello-Maher to respond" - One person posted such a comment, and the policy had been previously explained: no rebuttal space was afforded to AG after the original piece.

Also, from the update, it's obvious that the writer doesn't know how the Narcosphere works, so the guessing and making stuff up continues.

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Re: On being disingenous

By McGehee, Michael at Jul 08, 2009 08:51 AM

It goes without question that the beautiful and flawless Dulcinea del Toboso will be sweept up with true love by the righteous deeds of you, our beloved knight-errant, Don Quixote. For you, guided by the most supreme virtousity and chivalry that has ever been - online pugilism - have surely laid waste to the ferocious giants...

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Re: Honduras, Washington, and Liberal-Left Grasping at Straws

By Green, Chris at Jul 08, 2009 00:51 AM

Rahul Mahajan strains to look at the Obama administration's response to the coup in the best possible light:

http://www.empirenotes.org/

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By Green, Chris at Jul 08, 2009 01:19 AM

Mahajan strains to interpret Obama's decision not to take further sanctions against the Honduras coup regime in the best possible light by arguing that Obama is using the wise reasoning that to cut off military aid and other support would make the generals more extreme and hardline. Actually, I think the coup leaders would have to step down in the face of serious US sanctions because the ruling class are so dependent on the US for their ability to function. I remember reading Chomsky's articles on Haiti from the early 90's where he quoted some establishment journalist or other who argued that increased sanctions against the Cedras dictatorship would be "counter-productive." It is possible that the US may eventually cut off military aid but for a relatively brief period and make provision that existing pre-coup contracts to service the Honduran military would continue. I mean, even if Obama actually  completely cuts off aid to the Honduran military, which I don't think he will, aid could still come in other ways. I wouldn't be suprised if there was a replay of early 90's Haiti. In the early 90's the US officially joined the OAS sanctions but then quietly declared an exemption that allowed Texaco and other oil companies to ship oil to the Haitian military, a very crucial resource to keep the coup regime in Haiti alive. 

Mahajan showed kind of a vague friendliness toward the Obama campaign, though he didn't jump full body into Obamamania the way other leftists did who, like Mahajan, were impressed by the potential of the Obama "movement." Mahajan has been fairly critical of Obama's foreign policy but he can't help but try every so often to pull some small positive token out of Obama's foreign policy speeches.

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By Green, Chris at Jul 08, 2009 02:02 AM

I think what Scahill and Blum point out is very important and telling. If the US really wanted to avert the coup, it would not have tried to "convince" the coup plotters to stand down. Rather it would have "ordered" the coup plotters to stand down.

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Washington speak....

By Street, Paul at Jul 07, 2009 19:48 PM

Thanks to David Peterson for the following information/update material (note the positively Kafka-esque/Hellerian nature of the maddening back and forth between State Department spokesman Ian Kelly and the media operatives -- just insane):

Associated Press
July 7, 2009
Obama supports return of Zelaya even though Honduran leader 'strongly opposed' US policies

By BEN FELLER
MOSCOW (AP) - President Barack Obama is reiterating his support for efforts to restore Manuel Zelaya to Honduras ' presidency --even as he points out that Zelaya has strongly opposed American policies.
In a speech to Moscow graduates on Tuesday, the president says that's evidence that the U.S. does not dictate another country's leaders.
The president said of his support for Zelaya: "We do so not because we agree with him. We do so because we respect the universal principle that people should choose their own leaders, whether they are leaders we agree with or not."
Zelaya has boarded a plane bound for Washington , where U.S. officials say he will meet with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.
 
 
The segments of these daily press briefings at the State Department that deal with Manuel Zelaya and Honduras are very entertaining.

    Excerpted from Ian Kelly, Daily Press Briefing, U.S. Department of State, July 6, 2009, <http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2009/july/125633.htm>.
 
............
QUESTION: Have you figured out yet what - when you say you seek the restoration of democratic order, have you guys yet figured out exactly what that means?
MR. KELLY: Well, I think it means - in the most immediate instance, it means the return of the democratically elected president to Tegucigalpa --
QUESTION: Why don't you say --
MR. KELLY: -- the return of Mel Zelaya.
QUESTION: Why don't you say that, though? I mean, I guess you just said it --
MR. KELLY: Yeah.
QUESTION: -- but why don't you just say, "We call for his return?"
MR. KELLY: Yeah. Well, we do call for his return.
QUESTION: Okay. And then have you guys made a decision yet on - a determination on whether a military coup has indeed transpired, and therefore whether U.S. aid would have to be cut off?
MR. KELLY: Well, as I said on Thursday, we decided that no aid that would be subject to termination under this law - that none of this kind of aid is now flowing to the de facto regime. We are still in the ongoing process of determining whether the law applies. But we're not inclined to make a statutory decision while diplomatic initiatives are ongoing.
QUESTION: But there are people on the Hill who feel strongly that despite concern - despite uncertainty about whether or not this was a military coup or not, their view is that it is. I mean, you know, he was arrested in his residence --
MR. KELLY: Yeah. Yeah.
QUESTION: -- detained, put on a plane by the military, even if the transfer of authority may have actually been conducted by the - you know, by the congress.
MR. KELLY: Right.
QUESTION: And I suspect you're going to have some explaining to do if you don't actually make a determination one way or the other --
MR. KELLY: Yeah.
QUESTION: -- on this. Do you - you know, while diplomatic efforts are underway, it could be a week, days or weeks or months. Are you essentially going to put this decision in, which is, you know, legally mandated --
MR. KELLY: Yeah.
QUESTION: -- in abeyance until all diplomatic efforts have been exhausted?
MR. KELLY: Well, just a couple of points. One is that there are - most of our activities are excluded under this particular section of the law, and that's the humanitarian aid and aid to support democracy-building programs.
What we've decided to not continue our funding of are those programs that could be construed as having - directly aiding the government or the - what we're calling the de facto regime of Honduras . And it's a complicated process, but we recognize that we may make this determination to terminate, and that's why any programs that could be construed as aiding the government have - none of this aid is flowing through the pipeline now.
QUESTION: What about the - sorry, just a last one from me on this. I thought that the language only specifies aid that is - only excludes aid that is democracy- or democratic processes-related. I didn't think that it excluded humanitarian aid.
MR. KELLY: I believe it includes humanitarian aid, as well.
QUESTION: Could you double check that?
MR. KELLY: Yeah. We can double check that.
QUESTION: Do you have any amount? How much of it has stopped?
MR. KELLY: I don't have that information, but I can see if we can get it.
QUESTION: Well, presumably if you stopped it, someone has an idea of how much; at least, I would hope so.
MR. KELLY: That's a fair assumption.
QUESTION: Yeah?
MR. KELLY: We'll see if we can get you that.
QUESTION: Thank you.
QUESTION: That was my question, but I have another one on your contacts with the de facto government.
MR. KELLY: Yeah.
QUESTION: Both the ambassador and - do you plan on meeting a delegation coming here?
MR. KELLY: First of all, we don't know about a delegation coming here. So this is - if the delegation is from this de facto regime, the State Department wouldn't meet with them. I mean, if - this is a regime that we don't recognize. But we don't have any information about a delegation coming here.
We've heard that there may be a delegation going to San Salvador, where President Zelaya is now, but that's just - again, that's just reports that we've heard.
QUESTION: What about President Zelaya himself?
MR. KELLY: President Zelaya, as I understand it, and you should probably check -
QUESTION: Check exactly where? With his office in San Salvador ?
MR. KELLY: You should probably check with his office in San Salvador , yeah.
Well, you know what happened yesterday. He tried to travel to Honduras . The flight was denied clearance to land. The plane first went to Nicaragua and then to El Salvador . President Zelaya met briefly with our chargé in San Salvador last night to discuss his plans. We understand his plans are to remain in San Salvador today and come back to the U.S. tomorrow. And of course, we - we're just very focused on the need for a dialogue to restore him back and restore the democratic order.
QUESTION: If he comes to the United States tomorrow, does the Administration have any plans to meet him at a senior level?
MR. KELLY: We haven't made any set plans, but I'm sure we will meet with him at a senior level, but there's no definite plans yet.
QUESTION: Above the assistant secretary?
MR. KELLY: I'm not prepared to give you sort of definite information on that yet.
QUESTION: So the chargé is the only U.S. official who's talked with him in recent days?
MR. KELLY: No. I know that Tom Shannon and Dan Restrepo met with him whenever that was, early Sunday morning, July 5th.
QUESTION: Ian, Chinese --
MR. KELLY: Is this also on - same - yeah. Also on Honduras ? Yeah.
QUESTION: Same issue. Same issue?
MR. KELLY: Okay. We'll go here and then we'll come back to you, Goyal. Yeah, go ahead.
QUESTION: We understand that Roberto Flores, who used to be the ambassador before the White House for Mr. Zelaya's government, he's back in Honduras . The initial - we were told that he went back to Honduras to present his resignation to the government of Micheletti. Now, there are some reports saying that he's coming back to the U.S. as ambassador of the de facto government. Do you have any information on that matter?
MR. KELLY: No. No, I don't, although I would venture to say that somebody who is representing a regime that we do not recognize would have a hard time getting credentialed.
QUESTION: But as far as you - I mean, as far as you concerned, Mr. Flores -- this is still the formal Honduran ambassador before the White House?
MR. KELLY: I'm not sure. I'm not sure if he's - whatever the reverse of a credentialing process is. I'm not sure if he's submitted his letter informing the White House and the State Department that he was no longer acting as ambassador. I don't know. I don't know if that's been done or not.
We'll go back to Goyal because I know he had a related question to that.
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Sorry to have left my computer; it won't happen again

By Street, Paul at Jul 07, 2009 15:29 PM

Actually, I had to leave computer space.  Was seated before a computer from 8 in the morning though  the noon hour doing revisions to a new chapter to a paperback edition of a book I'm doing.  Then had a tooth issue and a stop at the recycling center and shopping I promised to do and so on. I love how in snarky Web culture there is this assumption when differences emerge in comments section that you have agreed to sit at your computer and just pound away and wait for a response and pound away again....forever.  It's like your critics think you are sitting indefinitely on the other side of their computer screen.  You can't have any dentist appointments or exercise needs or a meeting or a date or something.  "So, no response, huh?" Often I respond.  But here I'm dealing with someone calling me a plaigarist because --- in an article that goes out of its way to quote and cite people (!) -- I apparently share the misspelling of a proper last name with a CounterPunch writer Antony is mad at.--- a writer I quote and identify!I  Oh - okay.  Thats when it's time for Antony to take a trip to the Narcosphere --- the real one,  to get some drugs, some tranqulilizers or maybe (better) just some weed. I lose sense of what the argument I'm supposed to respond to actually is when things fall to that level. If AG is actually  leftist and not a left liberal than I apologize for identifying him as a left liberal.  The treatment I saw him giving leftists  regarding Obama and Honduras was pretty nasty, very similar to what I've seen from left liberals I've come to know and loathe but if he's really a leftist then maybe he just went off the deep end a little. .I'm getting too old  for the tone of that zine's comments section and the abuse is (or at least was  when i looked for 3 days or so) coming from the top down. And of course this essay is mainly about  the age of Obama with special reference to Washington and Honduuras.  Please note that I call AG intelligent and quote him respectfully at some point in the essay; Narconews is a useful resource and I'll continue to consult it through the current crisis and beyond.

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Further information on US in Iraq

By Street, Paul at Jul 07, 2009 09:28 AM

Thank you. Regarding the continuing occupation of Iraq (I know this article is mainly about U.S.-Honduras, but I notice that I provided no sources on the ME in the set-up section)....besides the New York Times article  that Noam Chomsky talked about at the Riverside Church (I missed the article because I had to take a a few days off from current events in order to preserve my sanity)....

Reading the fine print on Obama's “withdrawal” plan, it is evident that the administration will keep at least 50,000 troops in Iraq well after the August 2010 “combat” troop withdrawal date he campaigned on.. Many of the troops who stay will be in combat units re-designated as "Advisory" brigades, a new classification that George Orwell would appreciate. Obama's "withdrawal" plan "says nothing about the private contractors and mercenaries that are an essential part of the occupation and whose numbers may even be increased to cover functions previously provided by active-duty troops. ...It will leave in place the world's largest foreign embassy, as well as the world's largest CIA foreign station, in Baghdad" (Anthony Arnove).[1]

Obama’s Army Chief of Staff said last May that the Pentagon was making preparations to keep soldiers in Iraq through 2019 [2]

The U.S will of course maintain critical control over Iraqi skies and a significant naval and air presence "over the horizon."

Listen to the recent comments of Washington Post war correspondent Thomas Ricks (no radica!) and the author of two major books on the U.S war on Iraq.  Interviewed as Iraqis celebrated the removal of U.S. troops from Iraqi cities on July 2nd, Ricks said: , “I don’t think it's really all that different. American troops are going to continue to fight and die in Iraq.” Ricks had an interesting exchange with National Public Radio’s David Greene:

Greene: You joined us on this program last March and you said at the time we might be half way through this war. Is that about still where we still are?
Ricks: Yeah, well I might have been a bit optimistic.
Greene: I think a lot of Americans would be shocked to hear that we’re less than half way through this war. Certainly president Obama has been sending a different message [emphasis added].You also said something else: you said that Iraq was going to change Obama more than Obama changes Iraq. What’s your sense so far? Have you seen him adapting since taking office?
Ricks: Well, yeah. I think in fact he has broken more campaign promises on Iraq than in any other area [emphasis added]. He campaigned saying he would take a brigade out a month from the day he took office. Instead, he’s keeping troop levels about where they were during the Bush administration. Instead of getting out quickly, he actually is getting out rather slowly. Bush said the mission was accomplished when it wasn’t and Obama is saying we’re going to get the combat troops out. Well, guess what? There aren’t any ‘non-combat troops’ in the U.S. military. There is no pacifist wing of the military.
Greene: So what does that mean when he says we’re going to get the combat troops out?
Ricks: It’s a meaningless phrase. [3
Sources below:


 
1. Anthony Arnove, “Moved on From the Struggle,” SocialistWorker.org (March 13, 2009), read at http://socialistworker.org/2009/03/13/moved-on-from-the-struggle; Scott Horton, "Finding Ways to Stay in Iraq," Antiwar.com, March 4, 2009.
 
2. Alex Spillius, “U.S. Army Prepared to Stay in Iraq for a Decade,” The Telegraph (UK), May 27, 2009, read online at http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/05/27-0.
 
3.  ‘"Long Hot Summer’ Ahead for U.S. Troops in Iraq,” Thomas Ricks interviewed by David Greene, National Public Radio (July 2, 2009), listen at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106178806

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Re: Further information on [honduras]

By McGehee, Michael at Jul 07, 2009 10:23 AM

yahoo news is reporting that zelaya is scheduled to meet with Clinton and one "consideration" is his return with "limited and clearly defined powers."

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Re: Re: Further information on [honduras]

By Street, Paul at Jul 07, 2009 11:16 AM

Perfect -. the Clinton-Aristide model 1994 perhaps though of course things are not quite the same in 2009 as they were in 1994...the "Washington Consensus" neoliberalism has lost its mojo and the financial-miltiary Empire is in a wee bit of a mess in South/Southwest Asia and more broadly

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Re: Re: Re: Further information on [honduras]

By Schofield, Antony at Jul 07, 2009 11:44 AM

I'm not taking sides here but I would like to say that quoting from George Ciccareillo-Maher is rather problematic. See Al Giordano's rebuttal of his claims (a rebuttal that Counterpunch apparently refused to publish) here: http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/ciccariello-maher-urges-us-%E2%80%9Ccreate-our-facts%E2%80%9D-rather-report-real-ones

Also, your painting of Mr Giordano as a "liberal-left journalist", as if he writes for the Guardian, is either totally ignorant or a smear. You've even misspeled his name, aping the source you quote. That's charitably known as lazy jounalism, more commonly, plagiarism.

You really should do your homework before launching into diatribes against others who are, and have been for years, in the trenches.

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Tone

By Street, Paul at Jul 07, 2009 12:08 PM

Regarding A. Schofield's comment ---- this is precisely the tone that is so off-putting over at Narcosphere, in the comments section, where it just gets frankly abusive (from the top down).  So angry. I'm familiar with this tone and have engaged in it myself at various times, but decided to drop it.  It doesn't work - does more harm than good. Calling people "lazy" (an odd term to apply to this piece, which may be many things but is not lazy) and accusing them of "diatribes" (another odd description of a very brief comment) and getting worked up over a spelling error in a proper name....that's the sort of discourse that is so common over there.  Please keep it there.

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Re: Tone

By Schofield, Antony at Jul 07, 2009 12:11 PM

So no rebuttal of my argument then?

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Re: Re: Tone

By McGehee, Michael at Jul 07, 2009 12:25 PM

im confused (and like paul, flabbergasted by your online pugilism).

what exactly is the argument? that you dont like his mis-spelling or his labeling of Al as a liberal-left? how does street's piece fit in with the dispute between the two? is there something factually incorrect (other than the spelling of his name) that street wrote?

this is what it seems like to me: you are taking sides, and with good reasons (Al certainly did correct some of George's mistakes), on the dispute between Al and George. Paul referenced both but completely outside the context of their dispute or the comments Al is disputing of George's. So there is this "us" mentality you have already built up with Al and since Paul gave him a title that doesnt sit well with you (liberal-left), you have rudely made a strawman argument that you now want him to respond to.

youre tilting at windmills. allowing your emotions and confusions to get the best of you. paul sees it and i see it to you. thats why he is reluctant to play along. i bet you money that that is why he is not "rebutting" your "argument."

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Re: Re: Re: Tone

By Schofield, Antony at Jul 07, 2009 12:46 PM

Michael, don't you know that a wager is a fools argument?

Anyroad here's Al's rubuttal narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/ciccariello-maher-urges-us-%E2%80%9Ccreate-our-facts%E2%80%9D-rather-report-real-ones

 

 

 

 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Tone

By McGehee, Michael at Jul 07, 2009 13:55 PM

antony, i dont intend on fighting with you. the left has enough divisions. i too have had my fair share of contributing to them and am trying to focus more on ending it. so i just want to point out a few things and hopefully you will take the time to calmly consider them.

(1) the dispute al has with george is personal. the link you provided (twice) clearly showed that when al said at the beginning that he only had a dispute with a particular section. "The only thing I really mind about George Ciccariello-Maher’s essay..."

(2) that dispute has no relevancy to Paul's piece. he wrote an article that referenced both men on material they dont disagree on. this important to consider when considering your "argument."

(3) you should be big enough to admit you were in the wrong when you accused paul of lazy journalism and plagarism and that he needs to do his homework. i would suggest an apology but thats really up to you.

anywho, cheers!

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Meanwhile....

By Street, Paul at Jul 07, 2009 11:53 AM

Meanwhile of course the corporate media and millions at home and abroad are transfixed by the continuing Michael Jackson Death Saga, reminding us of Neal Postman's argument that Aldous Huxley's warnings might be more relevant than Orwell's.  I never quite agreed with that argument and have argued against setting up too strong a dichtomy between the Brave New World (rule through diversion/amusement/entertainment/infantilization) and 1984 (rule through terror and propaganda) scenarios. The masters do both.  But I feel that the late mass culture and television critic Postman deserves a shout out when the death of one entertainer crowds out great political dramas (involving the state murder of two people we know about so far) such as the one unfolding in Honduras (not to mention to the grisly mass violence and death in China).

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Re: Meanwhile....

By Schofield, Antony at Jul 07, 2009 12:06 PM

Paul, why don't you just ignore my comment that questions your premise?

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great article, as always

By McGehee, Michael at Jul 07, 2009 08:32 AM

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