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How to Fight Terrorists
In the case of crimes, the first steps are (1) determining who was probably guilty, apprehending them, and bringing them to a fair trial; and (2) attending to the background circumstances, and where there are legitimate grievances in the background, addressing them, as should be done quite apart from the crimes.
It's the same whether the crime is a street robbery or large-scale international terrorism. In the latter case, there is a virtual consensus on this among specialists and intelligence agencies (including former heads of Israeli intelligence). Furthermore, the evidence shows that these are the most effective courses to take, including contemporary Islamic terrorism (the only case we are allowed to talk about). In contrast, Cheney's preferred method has consistently increased the threat of terrorism, which is quite natural: violence tends to increase violence and support for it in response. The current Iraq war is an illustration. It was undertaken with the expectation that it would probably lead to an increase in terrorism, as it did. That's just another of the many indications that reducing the threat of terror is not a high priority for planners, and another reason...
Hysterical intellectuals who prefer to shriek rather than reduce the threat of terror choose to interpret (2) as "appeasement" or "submission to terror" or "rationalization of terror," etc. In sharp contrast, specialists in terror and intelligence agencies typically take the opposite stand. Comment is hardly necessary, apart from questions of intellectual history.
Police investigation and action might, under some circumstances, involve military force. There cannot be any general answer to the question. As for "pre-emptive strike," there has been a formal consensus on this since the UN Charter and the Nuremberg Tribunal. The formal consensus, the supreme law of the land in the US, bans the resort to force with narrow exceptions: when authorized by
the Security Council, or in response to armed attack until the Security Council acts, in the latter case when “the necessity for action is instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment of deliberation.” These principles were established because of explicit international rejection, led by the US, of doctrine that now prevails: that resort to force is legitimate if we "know" -- that is, have some reason to believe -- that someone has the intention of attacking us. That doctrine would, for example, justify Japan's attack on US military bases in Pearl Harbor and Manila. The Japanese could read the US press, with its lurid discussion of how US bombing could exterminate this inferior and vicious race by burning down Japan's wooden cities, and they knew that flying fortresses capable of bombing Japan from Pearl Harbor and Manila were coming off the Boeing Assembly line, so they "knew" that there was a serious threat of extermination, not just terror. Therefore, according to the "Bush doctrine," shared by Kerry and elites generally, Japan had every right to bomb Pearl Harbor and Manila. In fact, they had a far stronger case than the one enunciated by Colin Powell, etc.: that "intent and ability" suffice to allow the US to attack a country, committing the "supreme crime" of Nuremberg, which encompasses all the evil that follows -- the crime for which any participants, such as the German foreign minister, were hanged.
In 1945 the US was not willing to tolerate principles that would justify the Pearl Harbor attack. Today, it insists on principles that permit far more freedom to resort to violence and aggression, though of course there is a reservation, usually tacit but sometimes made explicit by the more honest commentators, like Henry Kissinger. He approves of the doctrine, but adds that it must not be
"universalized": the right to commit the supreme crime for which Nazi leaders were hanged must be reserved to the United States, perhaps delegated to its clients.
tercüme
By Cevirihizmetleri, Tercüme at Jun 29, 2007 17:04 PM
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Say it ain't so Noam....
By Johnnycams, Johnnycams at Apr 09, 2007 09:01 AM
I'll be honest, this is the first text of yours which I've read, lest someone else is doing the writing with or without your permission. From my own experiences, it appears your name has become a bit of a "buzz-word" in several social circles, so maybe this blog doesn't belong to you. Maybe I could read the rest of it and come to a conclusion, but it's much easier to be honest about my ignorance, as I don't think it will distract from my argument.
I'm from the New Jersey shore, and have decided to argue in my own, somewhat colloquial, language. Though that may distract from my argument, I smell puffed chests. My language will be my litmus test.
I often find myself in agreement with the arguments being made by those who quote you (or try). Now I'm rather nervous. Most Americans know damn well that our government is out of control, or at the very least, that they've been disenfranchised from it. Christ, our elected representatives are bought and sold in a lobbying industry that supposedly helps us, while conveniently giving corporations a direct line to our federal government; it's OUR fucking line!
In my opinion, the best thing for Americans to do is to get the existing political parties out of their local governments, so they can then take back their state governments, and finally give the federal governmnet some checks and balances of its own.
In the meantime, our federal government is a bull in a china shop. We need to remember that it is a maliable government, which spent more than half a century figuring out how to break the Soviet Union AFTER mutual destruction was assured.
All that aside, here is my argument:
Noam, you just made up the shit about the flying fortresses bombing Japan from Pearl Harbor. Manilla maybe, but that's not my real problem. You need to be careful when you start pulling history out of the books, and using it as a "zinger" for your own argument regarding contemporary issues.
Yes, a lot can be learned from history, but remember, quite a bit can be manipulated as well. The Nazi's peiced together histories of several cultures to build a fictional race which legitimized their world conquest. You have by no means approached that zenith of untruth, but Christ, don't be Noam Chompsky and get caught making it up as you go along.
The slice of history you pulled out is moot. Its context makes it irrelevant as support for your argument above, unless of course, you choose to ammend said argument to help disprove my own. We probably need to wait close to a decade, and have lots of things go bad before we find ourselves in a situation where the last major western power enters the world-wide war.
For those that argue that this is the third world war, I'll ask you to find out what kind of city Dresden was, what happened to it, when, and why. Tens of thousands of civilians are not being slaughtered on a near daily basis over multiple years, and though we like to think that the world has changed and that will never happen again, I'd like to remind you that WWI was the war to end all wars. Never underestimate mankind's appetite for destruction.
That is why we MUST have open, honest dialogue. If someone doesn't understand your argument, rephrase it for them. If they still don't get it, ask them to tell you what they THINK you said. It's called communication: the sharing of an idea.
Your post above, makes me feel as though you're trying to give people the right idea, but with the wrong reasons. Obviously you're not an engineer.
A carpenter and a computer programmer will tell you the same thing: if you cut corners in the beginning of the project, the project will fail. If you really want to give people the right idea, help them logically formulate those ideas and arguments themselves. And then they'll do the same thing with others. The rate at which the idea would spread is exponential, especially with the help of the Internet.
If you give a man a fish, he'll be hungry again tomorrow. Be careful Noam. A lot people look up to and listen to you. They want to understand. They want to learn how to fish.
Teach 'em.
That said, if I misunderstood you, or the context of your post, I apologize. Just let me know about it ;-)
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"that breeze, those trees ...."
By Kissenger, Clark at Feb 05, 2007 03:39 AM
Note, if you haven't noted it for the past third of a century, Chomsky's breezy, casual, self-confident summation : "Comment is hardly necessary ...." Oh? Sez who? It is Chomsky himself who, with a shrug of shoulders, simply sez that comment is hardly necessary. But why should anyone believe Chomsky?
After all, his flippancy comes immediately after a hopelessly vague allusion to "specialists in terror and intelligence agencies" who - he wants us to believe - affirm his opinion. Yet Chomsky never names 19, or 12 or even 5 of these so-called "specialists", much less quote where they say differently from critics who, with good reason, complain of the appeasement of terrorists.
According to a popular myth, Chomsky "proves" what he says and has impeccable "sources" (which few readers take the time to check up on). Yet the truth is the exact opposite : ever since the 1970's, Chomsky's quicky, smooth, breezy style ("style : that's the man himself") has been to make grand, vast claims in the space of a half-sentence and then quickly move on.
Anyone who reads Chomsky's debates on the philosophy of mind with, say, Professor John Searle of Berkeley, will find the exact same literary style from Chomsky. This self-assured casualness is deeply part of him, and not just in his political writings.
"That breeze, those trees, it's all part of the tender trap."
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