Immigrant Civil Rights Movement
By Noam Chomsky at Apr 11, 2006 |
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Z Sustainer question: Have you been following the new explosion of activism on the immigration issue? It's a really exciting time to live in Tucson. I've been involved in this issue for over 6 years and I've never seen anything like it before...
Noam Chomsky: It certainly is becoming a major issue, and as you say, the lines are drawn in complicated ways. The business community wants cheap and easily exploitable workers, who will drive down wages and benefits especially for the poor. There's a jingoist element that wants to keep the country "pure." The immigrants here want basic human rights.
There's a huge flow from south of the border, who want the right of free movement of labor (according to Adam Smith, the core of free trade, but the "trade agreements" permit only free movement of capital, consistent with the primary goals of their designers).
Also, more privileged sectors have the power to evade the impact of cheaper competition. A Mexican doctor, journalist, professional can come to the US to be a dishwasher or pick fruit, but not to pursue his/her profession at much lower wages; various barriers against that. Economist Dean Baker has written a lot about it.
All of this takes us back to the (mostly suppressed) debates about NAFTA. The media constantly claimed that the labor movement was crude, nationalist, backward, etc. (Anthony Lewis and others), but were very careful to suppress -- entirely I think -- the
actual proposals of the labor movement, which issued a detailed study in favor a "North American Free Trade Agreement", but not the executive version -- the only one allowed to be mentioned -- which, they plausibly argued, would lead to low-wage low-benefit
economies for all three countries. They proposed instead quite constructive measures, some modeled on EU expansion, which could lead to high-wage high-benefit high-growth economies. Their detailed critique and proposals were quite similar to those of Congresses independent research Bureau (Office of Technology Assessment, since abolished), which was also banned from the media and general discussion. The results are about as predicted. That's a large part of the "immigration problem." When economies are destroyed, people will flee. Worth remembering that Clinton militarized the border (Operation Gatekeeper) just as NAFTA was instituted.
I wrote about this in Z at the time, more in World Orders Old and New, which came out at that time And there's other work.
These and other such issues have to move to the center of the agenda if there is to be constructive approach to these issues, I think.






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SETH S. PATINKIN, by and
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Jul 08, 2007 23:54 PM
SETH S. PATINKIN, by and through his attorney, Joe Frankus, bring forth this cause of action against the above – named Defendants:
INTRODUCTION
“We do not like your kind of people around here. You are going to be fined a lot and there is nothing you Jews can do about it. Your kind of people have no business owning property around here.” Bowlen muttered “F------ Jews” as he exited the home.
Bowlen's comments were made in the presence of Pamela Koszut (“Koszut”),
Patinkin's fiancée.
PARTIES
JURISDICTION AND VENUE
STATEMENT OF FACTS
The Patinkin - Szatkowski Partnership
Beggs, Szatkowski and Walker's Judicial and Extra – Judicial Activities
Mulvihill's Harassment and Bowlen's Anti – Semitism (414 E. 1st Street & 816 E. 2nd Street)
City Investigates Bowlen
New school semester - new student lessees
414 E. 1st Street
A New Tactic: Unannounced Late Night Police Visits
Discriminatory Treatment by City
“Please be advised that Ms. Liu, my Assistant City Attorney in charge of enforcement actions, has not threatened your tenants in any manner. Any action that she has taken to date, she has taken at my direction.”
A copy of this e – mail message is attached hereto as Exhibit Z and made part of this Complaint.
SLS Becomes Involved
“Just bring us everything you can on [Patinkin]. What is good for the City is good for you”.
709 South Anita
Another Unannounced Late Night Police Visit
The City and SLS Abuse Title 20
816 E. 2nd Street
319 E. 12th Street
The Manipulation of Neighbor Sentiment
“Jenny, I copied Sarah Liu on this e – mail. Sarah is one of the new City attorneys and she is actually taking over the over – occupancy caseload…. We think a lunch meeting would be most cost effective; this way no [one] has to starve the rest of the day…. Thanks, Patty.”
A copy of Mulvihill's e – mail message is attached hereto as Exhibit O1 and made
part of this Complaint.
Patinkin was not honest in his student rental business. (See Exhibit F1)
“It's time to stop the decay and save Bloomington from shameless, greedy, out – of – town landlords”.
“Jenny – are you acquainted with Theodore Miller? [Mr. Miller is a neighbor of 414 E. 1st Street]. I would like to get him to come in and sign an affidavit regarding over occupancy at 414 E. 1st Street, but am having a hard time getting him on the phone…. Thank you SO much, S.”
A copy of this e – mail message from Liu is attached hereto as Exhibit P1 and made part of this Complaint.
“Jenny, here is Ted's e – mail address…. I put a print out of this e – mail on his doorstep”.
A copy of this e – mail message from K. Gutowsky is attached hereto as
Exhibit Q1 and made part of this Complaint.
“…. As for Seth [Patinkin], I noticed that his property on 414 1st has had trash bags in the front yard for the last 2 weeks – care to sic HAND on them?”
A copy of this e – mail message from Southern is attached hereto as Exhibit R1
and made part of this Complaint.
COUNT I
Violation of Due Process and Equal Protection of the Fourteenth Amendment against City of Bloomington, Mayor Kruzan, Bowlen, Jack, K. Robling, McKinney, Grundmann, Johnson, Abbott, Mulvihill & Liu
WHEREFORE, Patinkin requests the following relief against the Count I defendants, each in their official and individual capacities and pray that the Court:
A. Issue a declaratory judgment that the Count I defendants misuse of Title 20 deprived Patinkin of “his property rights without due process of law;”
B. Issue a declaratory judgment that the Count I defendants misuse of Title 20 and negligent investigations denied Patinkin the “equal protection of the laws;”
C. Award Patinkin judgment against each of the Count I defendants, jointly and severally, for actual compensatory damages in an amount to be determined at trial;
D. Award Patinkin the costs of this action together with reasonable attorneys' fees pursuant to 42 U.S.C. Section 1988; and,
E. Grant such other and further relief as deemed appropriate by the Court.
COUNT II
Violation of 42 U.S.C. Section 1981 (Equal Rights under the Law) against City of Bloomington, Bowlen, Jack, K. Robling, McKinney, Mulvihill, Liu, IUB, Evans, Southern, RE/MAX, Walker, Beggs & Szatkowski
WHEREFORE, Patinkin requests the following relief against the Count II defendants, each in their official and individual capacities and pray that the Court:
A. Issue a declaratory judgment that the Count II defendants' misuse of Title 20 denied Patinkin the “same right… To make and enforce contracts… as is enjoyed by white citizens” as provided by 42 U.S.C. Section 1981;
B. Issue a declaratory judgment that the Count II defendants were “acting under color of State law” when they misused Title 20 to deny Patinkin's civil rights;
C. Issue a declaratory judgment that Count II defendants repeated misuse of Title 20 amounted to a City policy or custom;
D. Award Patinkin judgment against each of the Count II defendants, jointly and severally, for actual compensatory damages in an amount to be determined at trial;
E. Award Patinkin the costs of this action together with reasonable attorneys' fees pursuant to 42 U.S.C. Section 1988; and,
F. Grant such other and further relief as deemed appropriate by the Court.
COUNT III
Violation of 42 U.S.C. Section 1982 (Property Rights of Citizens) against City of Bloomington, Bowlen, Jack, K. Robling, Mulvihill, Liu, IUB, Evans,
Southern, RE/MAX, Walker, Beggs & Szatkowski
WHEREFORE, Patinkin requests the following relief against the Count III defendants, each in their official and individual capacities and pray that the Court:
A. Issue a declaratory judgment that the Count III defendants' misuse of Title 20 denied Patinkin the “same right… as enjoyed by white citizens to… lease… real and personal property” as provided by 42 U.S.C. Section 1982;
B. Issue a declaratory judgment that Count III defendants repeated misuse of Title 20 amounted to a City policy or custom;
C. Award Patinkin judgment against each of the Count III defendants, jointly and severally, for actual compensatory damages in an amount to be determined at trial;
D.
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Interesting.
By Kervinvergara, Tenue at Dec 31, 2006 14:33 PM
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Round 'em up
By Rsshelto, Rudaug at Nov 26, 2006 11:46 AM
Rights? Who needs them? Our ancestors came to this country without the Constitution. Therefore, why should we pass the rights America has so long worked for over to immigrants? Especially the children who are born in this great country. Maybe, according to how I have read your blog, we should just round 'em up and put them in tents until we can ship them back to where they came from. That certainly would be civil. After all, we do support "civil rights."
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, their country "sucks?" We wouldn't run from America. Why is that? Maybe it's because we have been afforded the "rights" you have suggested be taken away from people. Should the rights be afforded to only blonde haired blue eyed people who are 5'6" tall? If we take away civil rights from one group of persons, there will be more to come. In no way, should The United States of America ignore human rights regardless of legal status. That would only put us down to a level equal to the country from which they flee.
My suggestion is to block off the border, assimilate the illegal immigrants who are here and then create a system which allows the opportunity to become American citizens through a more expedient system.
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Round 'em up
By Rsshelto, Rudaug at Nov 26, 2006 11:44 AM
Rights? Who needs them? Our ancestors came to this country without the Constitution. Therefore, why should we pass the rights America has so long worked for over to immigrants? Especially the children who are born in this great country. Maybe, according to how I have read your blog, we should just round 'em up and put them in tents until we can ship them back to where they came from. That certainly would be civil. After all, we do support "civil rights."
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, their country "sucks?" We wouldn't run from America. Why is that? Maybe it's because we have been afforded the "rights" you have suggested be taken away from people. Should the rights be afforded to only blonde haired blue eyed people who are 5'6" tall? If we take away civil rights from one group of persons, there will be more to come. In no way, should The United States of America ignore human rights regardless of legal status. That would only put us down to a level equal to the country from which they flee.
My suggestion is to block off the border, assimilate the illegal immigrants who are here and then create a system which allows the opportunity to become American citizens through a more expedient system.
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We may be able
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This is nonsense if the
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Sep 15, 2006 22:11 PM
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Philip Ruddock-Anti-Immigrant
By Blogggit, Blogggit at Sep 08, 2006 15:49 PM
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AUSTRALIA HAS AN OVERSEAS SPOUSE QUOTA FIXED AT 30,000 A YEAR
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The following is an article from the "Sydney Morning Herald"September, 17th, 1996.
"MIGRANT LAW MAY SEPARATE MARRIED COUPLES
The Government will cap and kill applications by Australians to bring their overseas spouses into Australia a move which would see long-term separations of married couples unless the Opposition allows through the Senate tough new measures to curb applications.
The Minister for Immigration, Mr Ruddock,said the draconian move,allowable under present law but never used in relation to spouses, would help curb huge increases in applications for spouses, some of which were shams, but others 'a fraud on Australians'.
Under present practise,applications for offshore spouses to come are allowed regardless of the quota set.Mr Ruddock wants to enforce his quota by a cap and queue regulation, making applicants after the qouta is reached to wait, possibly for months, until heading the queue for next years intake.
But in the face of Labor opposition in the Senate, he threatened to use his general cap and kill power to terminate applications made post-qouta.This would force Australians to apply again next year on equal terms with next year's applicants, causing indefinite separations.
Mr Ruddock's threat, which contradicts the Coalition's strong pro-family rhetoric but is part of a clampdown on migration numbers,was denounced by Labor's immigration spokeman, Mr Duncan Kerr, as social engineering.
The Opposition last week knocked off in the Senate one of several changes to regulations to tighten elegibility for 'preferential family' migration,available to spouses and aged parents.Mr Kerr told the Herald Labor would also disallow Mr Ruddock's 'cap and queue' regulation.
Mr Ruddock told the Herald that if people who had already applied were allowed in,the progam would overstep this year's 36,700 quota by about 13,000.Rather than allow an overshoot, he would use his general power under current law to cap and kill,unless Labor stopped trying to micro-manage his immigration program by disallowing regulations in the Senate.
Mr Kerr said that 'Australians have always exercised their own choice on who they'll marry,and I don't believe any red-blooded Australian will allow the Government to force couples to queue up to live together.Now he's saying if he can't queue them he'll cut them off.
'If you meet and marry in January,thats OK,but if you're a December bride or groom you mightn't be able to get your spouse in for years.'
Mr Ruddock said he did not regard cap and terminate as the best outcome, but if it is necessary I will be applying it.
He said Labor had maintained a steady 37,000 quota for four years,before lifting it last year to 50,000.Many people had reported partners 'walking out the door as soon as they arrive in Australia.' 'The fraud is being occasioned on Australians by people seeking to migrate,' he said.
Mr Kerr blamed the increase on the wash-up of the Tiananmen Square massacre,under which Labor granted 40,000 Chinese people refugee status.But Mr Ruddock said there rises in applications accross the board, and the percentage increase was as great in England."
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JOHN HOWARD-The Lying Rodent.John Howard wants free trade but not the free movement of people.He thinks Australias biggest assets are its sheep, coal and uranium not people.He says he has the final solution to our problems "Too many people."
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The Blacklist
"Philip Ruddock gazetted regulations when he was Australia's immigration minister[number S241 of 1997] to stop visitors from many countries coming to Australia and among them is Poland.[Israel is also on the list as well as the following countries-Bangladesh, Burma, Cambodia, Chile, China, Colombia, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Egypt, Fiji, Greece, Hungary, India, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Macedonia, Mauritius, Nauru, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Romania, Samoa, Slovakia, Sri Lanka, Syria, Tonga, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Vanuatu, Vietnam and Yugoslavia]."
More at
http://nowhiteaustralia.blogspot.com/
And
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Let-Them-Drown.html
And
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/LetThemLand.htm
And
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Child-abuse.htm
And
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jan1999/immi-j20.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jan1999/imm2-j22.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jan1999/imm3-j26.shtml
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Yes, the Republican
By Insight104, Insight104 at Sep 04, 2006 09:06 AM
Yes, the Republican elitist-capitalists are the root of the problem.Since Reagan, they've been destroying unions.The US unionization rate is a minute fraction of what it is in the Scandinavia/Nordic region, and the correlating poverty rates are showing.In Finland, Sweden and Norway, poverty is at 2-5%, but in Detroit for eg., it is 33% (yes, 1/3rd earn under $20,000/yr.).On top of insanely increasing US poverty rates under Bush, health care and education certainly aren't free as they are in social-democratic societies, and those are 2 massive poverty inducers when you have to pay for them in an elitist-capitalist system. Unions prevent brutally low wages, and help to lift people out of poverty. If one is a left-hating union-basher, one can always express philosophical glee over a Billionaire CEO writing himself a $400,000,000 bonus check, while expressing hatred for the 'parasitic' worker, who deserves $1/hour if the company desires it. (For the CEO, 8 yachts are not enough !). In social democracy, the capitalist engine is equipped with valves, syphons and filters to benefit the entire populace, *including* the top 10% of income earners. And Finland was rated the least corrupt, most competitive economy, ahead of the US, with little or no national debt. So all the right-wing theoretical jargon is simply book theory, not empirical reality. (The Neo-Con cult faithfully embraces dogma again, not just in foreign policy, but in domestic economics as well...) Remember, folks, the MIPPC (military-industrial-prison-pharmaceutical-complex) and their media mouthpiece demands that you accept pitifully low minimum wages and a flood of poor foreign workers.It exponentially increases the MIPPC's power-ratio (stranglehold), and who in their right mind could be against that ! Infinite increases in CEO's exorbitant salaries, and respective decreases in worker-ant wages are the hallmark of a perfect society !!! (Neo-Fascist Dogma 101)
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damn lafayette
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 28, 2006 21:06 PM
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Keep it simple
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 25, 2006 17:56 PM
America has the 14th constitutional amendment as a reference point, and should annotate it to state the obvious.
If you come to America, become an American.
If you want a handout, go back where you came from.
If you come to America as an illegal immigrant, you have NO rights, and the kids you create in America have NO rights...simple.
No spanish advertising in America, no spanish infiltration to mainstream America (no one is stopping you from catering to your own, just speak and communicate in English).
This is the way America needs to handle immigration going forward, how they deal with the past can also be easily massaged - yet some will win and some will lose. Get over it. Welcome to America.
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re : more to it..
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 07, 2006 11:19 AM
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More to it....
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 07, 2006 09:24 AM
"As Chomsky rightly pointed out, immigration is really a dollars and cents issue for republicans and democrats alike, who are pressured by corporations to increase profits by employing immigrants at sub-human wages."
The only problem I have with this whole issue is that "illegal" immigrants are hurting unions. My brother is a union (residential) carpenter in the chicago vicinity and he tells me all the time how the company he works for has "illegal" immigrants. The problem is they are willing to do the job for less , which includes overtime for regular wage rate, and they are willing to it in an unsafe manner. The foremen expoit this and beat their deadlines to collect bonuses.
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Immigration is difficult
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 01, 2006 15:50 PM
All nations cope, in one way or another, with immigration. And it's never easy. Be careful not to get sucked into the notion that controlling immigration is 'xenophobic' or 'racist'. This comparison echos the 'anti-semitic' slandering of people like me who criticize Israel and the U.S. support for imperialist domination in the middle east.
As Chomsky rightly pointed out, immigration is really a dollars and cents issue for republicans and democrats alike, who are pressured by corporations to increase profits by employing immigrants at sub-human wages. As far as I know, the U.S. has a defined immigration policy and, unlike other nations where immigration to naturalization only takes three years, we require around 7 years. Allowing immigrants to become citizens in order to 'deal with things' would be totally unfair to those who have followed the defined channels.
The only solution to immigration problems is the one that has always existed: define clear rules and help instead of hinder neighboring economies so that it will not be such a problem. NAFTA signalled the beginning of the end for some potentially very rich economies in the rest of the Americas. We have to pressure the government to allow for nations small and large to gain greater self-determination in this area. As always, corporate and private greed is hard to fight.
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Noam Chomsky really is a
By Kissenger, Clark at Jul 30, 2006 12:11 PM
Noam Chomsky really is a wack-job kook. How can anybody take his crazy rambling comments seriously? "A Mexican doctor, journalist, professional can come to the US to be a dishwasher or pick fruit, but not to pursue his/her profession at much lower wages; various barriers against that." Maybe Chomsky should go to Mexico for his healthcare if Mexican doctors are so good. Or maybe go to Mexico when he needs a lawyer. Actually I would rather read a Mexican journalists crazy comments in Spanish which I do not read nor speak than read Chomsky's lunatic rantings. So he has a good point there. Then there is this beautiful bit of paranoid conspiracy, "The media constantly claimed that the labor movement was crude, nationalist, backward, etc. (Anthony Lewis and others), but were very careful to suppress -- entirely I think -- the actual proposals of the labor movement, which issued a detailed study in favor a "North American Free Trade Agreement", but not the executive version -- the only one allowed to be mentioned -- which, they plausibly argued, would lead to low-wage low-benefit economies for all three countries." Noam Chomsky's paranoid, wack-job ideas should be suppressed. Maybe he could just keep them in his deranged mind instead of writing them down or speaking them.
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Hmmm
By Kissenger, Clark at Jun 10, 2006 14:41 PM
Where exactly do people expect immigrant children to learn Enlgish if not in school? Immigrant parents who care barely speak it, let alone teach it?
I agree with the comment earlier. People keep electing warmongering scum into office who waste hundreds of billions of tax dollars on war and complain about a few billion being used to teach ESL classes. Then they continure to complain about people not speakinging English. They want some magical answer that doesn't exist.
Fix the school system, in general, and you won't have American children given less attention for immigrants. There are plenty of resources for all.
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My opinion...
By Kissenger, Clark at Jun 06, 2006 02:29 AM
Why do we think educating people is a burden?
Why do conservatives want to get rid of ESL programs while telling immigrants to assimilate?
There's a lot of insight into the immigration issue here: http://viktorfrankl.livejournal.com/tag/immigration
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ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION INTO THE UNTED STATES
By Kissenger, Clark at Jun 05, 2006 10:18 AM
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taxes..
By Kissenger, Clark at May 17, 2006 08:43 AM
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reply to William Bunker
By Kissenger, Clark at May 13, 2006 12:28 PM
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They do in fact pay taxes
By Kissenger, Clark at May 13, 2006 12:19 PM
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Wages will rise if they are "legalized"
By Kissenger, Clark at May 13, 2006 12:18 PM
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A real life manifestation
By Kissenger, Clark at May 01, 2006 14:46 PM
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A real life manifestation
By Kissenger, Clark at May 01, 2006 14:45 PM
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Minimum Wage
By Kissenger, Clark at Apr 18, 2006 17:51 PM
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immigration reform
By Kissenger, Clark at Apr 18, 2006 00:49 AM
" California censuses estimate that ~40% of their real population is comprised of illegal immigrants, and that around 13 million illegal immigrants reside there. Californians whom I have known admit that yes illegal immigrants are everywhere and have become part of the society. Some of the chief complaints of illegal immigration is that it uses up employment and that they burden social services such as education and healthcare systems.
We can reduce these difficulties and improve the quality of life of the average Californian, legal citizen or ‘illegal citizen’, by providing a comprehensive immigration policy. If we make immigration an attractive and beneficial process instead of a burden and a police pass and an invitation to be recorded ad pay taxes, people will line up to receive citizenship instead of cross that line without apparent consequence.
Potential immigrants can apply to become citizens through a reformed system of education. In order to enter the country, they must receive a kind of work accreditation showing their usefulness in America. Many illegal immigrants come to America to look for employment, so the opportunity to train *for free* to get this employment as part of citizenship will be outstandingly attractive to ~80% of potential immigrants.
A preliminary test of skills and general knowledge, available in Spanish or their native language will be given to each potential immigrant. Those who pass also prove they are intelligent and diligent enough to fare well in a 2-5 week intensive training course to be provided to each immigrant applicant, in any of a series of easy to learn vocational and technical fields.
Each applicant will be fingerprinted and their health will be checked and their criminal record inquired. They will be expected to show Mexican papers, or papers from the country of their origin. They will be given one chance to pass the test every five years. During the time of their testing they may be kept and maintained in border houses in secure locations. Their labor may also be very cheaply contracted to build simple cement housing in the region, perform self-sustaining duties, pound wells, teach and learn English, Spanish, and their own language better, and other duties. After the allotted time, if they have passed the tests, they should be given a Green Card or other temporary license to work in America and given a temporary accreditation or licensure to work in their vocational field. These both are stepping stones to move forward in their process of becoming an American citizen and as well to move forward in their vocational training and ability to perform more complex and better compensating jobs.
This will cheaply produce hundreds of thousands or millions of new American immigrants every year who can provide more meaningful services to the community and who will live in a quality of life that produces more business than the amount of employment they fill. It will work towards solving the problem of illegal immigration by making legal immigration a much more attractive, easy, and productive option.
By cooperating with Mexico on this procedure and remaining conscious of international trade, travel, and family ties, we can get Mexico’s help in training its own people and benefiting from the process of immigration to America. We may be able to partially fund this program and have it take place on Mexican land until the immigrants have their Green Cards. Mexico may be able to benefit from or copy these training programs ad establish training factory settings near the American border for workers to participate in until they can acquire American licensures and Green Cards. This is an excellent alternative to any anti-associative immigration measures.
These policies will reduce the number of illegal immigrants in California by replacing them with a high percentage of trained and carded legal immigrants. They will be more able to contribute to society and afford health insurance and benefit from education. Census probabilities have shown that we cannot meaningfully control the number of people who choose to enter America each year. Because of this we should not limit the number of people who can legally enter the country to try to protect economic factors. We are already being flooded, and should attempt to benefit from it and improve the condition of those who clearly will join us. We can do this by placing an educational and legal bar of excellence, above which everyone who cooperates with the system will be encouraged and assisted. [see Education Reform] The costs of this system will be outweighed by reductions in emergency healthcare and educational spending and by increases in cooperation with the immigration policies and increases in employability and skill of the average immigrant."
We could accomplish this feat and become the envy of the world and receive many more and more skilled immigrants who would acculturate to our society more quickly, improve the reputation of immigrants in the eyes of 'established' Americans, and garner support for their native countries and personal background plights.
If they are going to be here despite the law, helping them is helping Americans and will help them help us.
Love is the answer.
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Interesting analysis Professor Chomsky
By Kissenger, Clark at Apr 13, 2006 17:48 PM
I think this debate is really centered heavily around economics than anything else
Poor people fleeing poverty are doing anything to come here; corporations are wanting their cheap labor while politicians need a good enemy to scare people and xenophobes eat that sort of stuff right up. Others simply are extreme on "law and order" and can't stand the fact that people cross the border without papers, which is a reality.
I hope these immigrants will recieve dignity one way or another
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