see this one RUDY? This clearly show the US is being run by incompetents.

Also, This is a good indicative that if there WERE REAL terrorists planning attacks on US soil, america would be/ is defenseless.

I am amused... we could give illegal immigrants your job, but I dont think they want to remain unemployed.. hey may be you would educate yourself more on the True Heroes of Americas

Ah, Paul is ideologically trapped in the Identity Politics of PseudoLeftism, of which one of the main tenets is that having as many races as possible is good. Paul, yes, the corpwhorations are to blame. But their partners in crime are these illegal aliens. I say punish both sets of criminals.

Mass immigration is increasing the supply of labor faster than the demand for labor increases. That is stealing from American citizens.

 Haven't you yet figgered out that multiculturalism is a propaganda-strategy of the overclass that is meant to depress wages by keeping labor supply increasing faster than labor demand?

 

All that education to waste....Tsk Tsk 

 

--your buddy, and trueLeftist, cry0fan

Ah, we see that Paul is ideologically trapped in the Identity Politics of PseudoLeftism, of which one of the main tenets is that having as many races as possible is good. Paul, yes, the corpwhorations are to blame. But their partners in crime are these illegal aliens. I say punish both sets of criminals.

Mass immigration is increasing the supply of labor faster than the demand for labor increases. That is stealing from American citizens.

 Haven't you yet figgered out that multiculturalism is a propaganda-strategy of the overclass that is meant to depress wages by keeping labor supply increasing faster than labor demand?

 

All that education to waste....Tsk Tsk 

 

--your buddy, and trueLeftist, cry0fan

 

I was testing " Yahoo! answers" the new advertising toy from the yahoo corporation.. I suddenly realized that "yahoo! answers" was not really an encyclopedia, but rather a good indicative of public opinions, as misplaced these opinions are.. the Game also seem to be an instrument of right-wing propaganda.. I do have a concern really is to the effect of propaganda on the youngster..I couldnt believe that the american people have been pitted against latinos to this extent and so badly.. I hope we don't waste a generation of young bozos..

Here I have two conspiracy theorists articles relating/blaming Hugo Chavez for the immigration of Mexicans frontpage american thinker Basically, conspiracists are blaming Chavez and the left for the social poverty the US created. C'est le monde a l'envers.

Hello Paul, Victor, Jokerman, Rudy,, I appreciated the photos Paul.. I recall the poverty of Mexicans when going on vacation; I recall the travel agency saying not to TIP staff because the tips could represents huge increases in salary.. (sic).. I think that that too often people are too aloof with their ideology in maintaining a people into poverty.. extreme right Bush is definetly an example of someone whom is making poor " poorer" , here in Canada the right wing is gaining political ground, it will try to give more tax cuts to secure ia stronghold on power, our elite continue to be the ass kissing suckhole of the US.. I do envy Venezuelans for their polical insight of electing Hugo Chavez.. actually, I just fell on an article about Chavez on Wikipedia click here for Presidente Chavez

What I have not seen addressed in many places is that both the acceptance and legalization of the undocumented is inevitable. The last amnesty was in 1986 under the god of the neo-cons, Ronald Rayguns. That means every undocumented couple that came here after the date and had a child on US soil will eventually become a PRA (permanent resident Alien) and a *voting* citizen if they so choose. regardless of what happens to the parents, every child born in the US to the couple after 1986 is already a US citizen, and starting with this midterm election, a *voting* citizen. The numbers of these so-called "anchor babies" increases with each and every federal election cycle, because more and more people emigrated here from Mexico, Central, South America, as well as other places as the years have gone by (especially after the passage of NAFTA). In addition, let us not forget the number of people who came here without documents who are now PRAs or citizens as well (through marriage). Each election cycle, their numbers among the electorate increase as well. Personally, although I do not have any proof of this whatsoever, I think the politicians know this, and wish to respond to the immigration issue as soon as possible for fear of themselves and their party as being branded "anti-Mexican," "anti-immigrant," or worse "racist." It is not a matter of if the undocumented workers will ever become legal, but *when*. It is inevitable. The problem, in my view, is how hard a process do us non-immigrants want the change to become. Something I was taught at NIU by the late professor Marvin Rosen was "quantitative forces produce qualitative change." The harder one segment refuses to allow a change, the more heated, divisive, and potentially violent the inevitable change becomes. Just something to think about.... P.S. I literally and personally know many undocumented workers. Some are my relatives. They are not criminals or terrorists or welfare queens (welfare and/or charity is HIGHLY FROWNED UPON in the Mexican culture--it's a sign of weakness and something a REAL man would never fall back on) and do not seek to destroy this or any other country. I get angry as hell at the misconceptions, misperceptions, and outright lies told about them and/or their alleged pathologies. And so are they.

"reactionary white nationalist crackdown advocated by racially jingoiistic Amerikkkanners".

 

1) Yes, there is a lot of not-so-subtle racism in the debate. I am particularly discouraged by the whole "they want to take back the southwest" bullshit based on generalizing the rantings of a tiny number priviledged hispanic student radicals into some sort of conspiracy. The whole thing about the National Anthemn in Spanish was simply nonsensical to anyone who didnt see spanish as inherently subversive. OTOH, it is both wrong and counter-productive to broadly paint opposition as axiomatically "jingoistic Amerikkans" - factually wrong AND bound to piss off a lot of people who are NOT racists but dont share your outlook.

 

2) We cant avoid the fact that large numbers of Illegal immigrants are lured here intentionally by large businesses looking for cheaper labor to exploit. They are the only ones keeping the Govt from cracking down on the immigrants - THEY, not those who care about immigrants for human and moral reasons, are the ones that have the political muscle ($$$) to fight the jingoists and get campaign-fixated politicians to change. Raise the cost of illegals to match that of Americans and these comapnies will stop supporting the immigration and the wall will rise high and fast. Im not defending exploitation - I just dont know what can be done to end it without causing a massive backlash that sets the cause back.

An article today out of the AP office and reported on the CNN International website ( http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/05/12/bolivia.eusummit.ap/index.html ) has the rhetoric against the leftist movement in Latin America being raised another notch. This time by Blair. When Blair joins in, the time must be close for the kill, as the jackels follow the hunter closely, seeking their piece of the remains. Morales and Chavez are now being warned by Blair that they must behave responsibly, that ever increasing state control of oil and natural resources is a dangerous path as it threatens the energy supplies of those countries who depend heavily upon it. The threat was thinly veiled and sinister. I fear it won't be long before Latin America is given a lesson in the true meaning of power. There is a huge and growing transfer of global wealth into the hands of a few rich and powerful special interests going on in the world today. And accompanying that is a great desire for cheaper and cheaper labour, more favourable tax laws, pressures to reduce government spending by cutting back on social services and pillage of natural resources and externalising the resulting environmental costs. Perhaps it is time to encourage an alliance of Asian, Middle Eastern and Latin American interests to align themselves actively against the G7 (the G8 may be short-lived as Russia may be eased out of the exclusive circle). One good strategy: A) Nationalise all natural resources, B) Move away from the US Dollar as the international monetary standard and demand repayment of US debts in other currency and C) Default on all US, G7 and IMF loans, thus causing chaos within the international financial circles. The one truly powerful weapon outside of the people themselves is the very weapon used against the world by the G7 - money. We are all likely to go down anyway - let's take the assholes with us.... ;-)

The real debate is also about how Uncle Sam is going to be permitted by U.S. citizens to treat Central and indeed Latin America (the record is not good...start by googling up "John Negroponte," the current blood-soaked national intelligence chief). It's about the power of the business community to exploit stateless labor, which is partly a class issue within the U.S.. And as jokerman says, there's quite a bit of bad faith and moral inconsistency in U.S. policy on the on the immigration question. One thing that concerns me about the "new civil rights movement" (as I called the immmigrant rights struggle") is that it helps deepen the invisibility of the persistent and deepening oppression inflicted on black Americans, who are not in fact descended from "immigrants" but rather from stolen slaves. This is the topic of an article I did on today's ZNet top page: "Note to Jimmy Kimmel and Roger Daniels: Slaves Were Not Immigrants," online at http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=30&ItemID=10242 One interesting reason the Sensenbrenner approach (which is rejected by large majority of U.S. citizens) will not win out is that it could reinforce the impressive left-led rebellion against U.S. neoliberal imperialism currently underway in Latin America. There is a key election coming up in Mexico, with a left-populist making a serious bid for power; the reactionary white nationalist crackdown advocated by racially jingoiistic Amerikkkanners like Sensenbrenner would probably feed left sentiment in the other (south) America. So we will get to debate various intermeediary proposals relating to differential levels of servitude and semi-citizenship.

Right on, Paul. To those who say that today's immigrants must wait in line "like everyone else" is simplifying the issue based on a lie. The lie being that the immigrants of yesterday had to have prior approval from the US to come and live and work legally. In fact, for one privileged group (Cubans) there is no line even today. Presently, there are two immigration laws in the US: one for Cubans, and another for the rest of the world. To answer the previous poster, accepting the undocumented laborers already here is part of the solution. The other part is to revert to the immigration policy that was in place at the time of your grandparents. I'm glad this issue has come to a head here in Dekalb and the rest of the country. As you know, it is something I have been talking about and pushing since 1998.

Right on, Paul. To those who say that today's immigrants must wait in line "like everyone else" is simplifying the issue based on a lie. The lie being that the immigrants of yesterday had to have prior approval from the US to come and live and work legally. In fact, for one privileged group (Cubans) there is no line even today. Presently, there are two immigration laws in the US: one for Cubans, and another for the rest of the world. To answer the previous poster, accepting the undocumented laborers already here is part of the solution. The other part is to revert to the immigration policy that was in place at the time of your grandparents. I'm glad this issue has come to a head here in Dekalb and the rest of the country. As you know, it is something I have been talking about and pushing since 1998.

Right on, Paul. To those who say that today's immigrants must wait in line "like everyone else" is simplifying the issue based on a lie. The lie being that the immigrants of yesterday had to have prior approval from the US to come and live and work legally. In fact, for one privileged group (Cubans) there is no line even today. Presently, there are two immigration laws in the US: one for Cubans, and another for the rest of the world. To answer the previous poster, accepting the undocumented laborers already here is part of the solution. The other part is to revert to the immigration policy that was in place at the time of your grandparents. I'm glad this issue has come to a head here in Dekalb and the rest of the country. As you know, it is something I have been talking about and pushing since 1998.

the speaker's analogy, of today's immigrants to that of his grandparents, falls short by his own words. When his grandparents came to this country, there were no laws regulating European immigration. Today, there are laws regulating immigration from all nations. So it is not a matter of giving one group what another has. Today, all have the regulation. Regardless of whether you think our nation should welcome all people, or the economy requires "cheap labor," the real debate is should we enforce the laws of our country or make different laws that better suit our needs.