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International Organization for a Participatory Society (IOPS)

By Chris Spannos at Aug 07, 2008


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Last week, Michael Albert’s Z Education Online  course “Parecon/Parsoc 2” seminar focused on issues surrounding the creation of an International Organization for a Participatory Society (IOPS). I have been thinking about this and so proposed my two cents in the seminar forum and also thought I’d share my thoughts here too. It seems to me that there are probably a few hundred---perhaps many hundred, and maybe even thousands more around the globe---who share broadly, or who would, vision for a participatory society, even though vision for other defining spheres remain way underdeveloped, as compared to parecon for the economic sphere. That said, I think lingering gains made by 60s and 70s activism, theory and practice provide us with a general orientation and intuition to get going organizing, theorizing, practicing and developing vision and strategy for those other spheres and what we aspire for in a participatory society.

Quickly, one possible strategy for an IOPS that I can foresee is based on assessments for how many people we need to have on our side to win. Michael Albert has said many times that he believes that we'll need at least 1/3 of the population (here in the U.S.), with another 1/3 being opposed to any Left emancipatory social change, and the other 1/3 sitting at home or going about their daily lives. Other countries may have a other breakdowns in a sympathetic, oppositional, and otherwise swayable population. Here in the U.S. one possible approach I envision is strategically dealing with each of the 3rds, as we:

(1) Need to organize those who are sympathetic---the Left, progressives, labor, women, folks from the GLBTQ communities, blacks, Asians, Latinos, immigrants, and other allies.

(2) Counter right wing propaganda (about free markets, neoliberlism, capitalism, corporate hierarchies, corporate globalization, electoral and referendum based politics as they exist, foreign policy and international relations as they exist, right wing views on gender and sexuality, race, religion, culture, immigration, etc.

(3) Organize and seek to improve material and social conditions for all, including the remaining 1/3 who are unorganized across race, class, gender, sexuality, those disempowered from the political process, those concerned with environmental sustainability, etc.

(4) Conduct solidarity campaigns (and many other campaigns) with those oppressed by our own governments---domestically and internationally.

(5) Get going organizing, theorizing, practicing and developing vision and strategy for those other defining spheres of societal life and what we aspire for in a participatory society.


The above does not deal with organizational structure or relations for local, regional, national, or international chapters. The above is a very simple framework for how we may envision basic IOPS organizing and strategy being oriented. However, I will say that any IOPS structure and strategy should reject Leninist "democratic centralist" practices, and seek to avoid the failures of previous Internationals, i.e. a single country, group or individual holding the "correct line"; reproducing racist, sexist, classist, or imperialist dogma, sectarianism, policy, or practice; and being overly economistic to the detriment of the primary concerns of other social groupings.

The above paragraph is perhaps non-controversial for many folks accessing Z. However, here are a couple other strategic observations:

(1) Organizing the Left---It has been my own experience, and I've heard the experience from others that, when proposing vision, especially parecon or participatory society, the best response usually comes from those either new to the Left or outside the Left all together. My experience was in Canada, but I'm guessing this is the same wherever there is an "Old Left" (or people recently joining the Left who’ve adopted "Old Left" thinking). Or maybe, this is a North American phenomena, and is different internationally. These folks that I'm referring to though would be allies in many campaigns, and if we proved effective achieving our organizational and campaign goals, which overlap with the goals of many others, we may prove to be attractive to many on the Left. This is not an argument to not propose vision and strategy to the broader Left. It would obviously be important to win over grassroots organizers, activists, the rank and file, and even figure heads and theoreticians, as well as to have them as close allies and comrades in struggle. But those new to the Left or even the non-Left/Right seem, and perhaps I'm wrong (and I hope so), more open to vision such as an IOPS would be proposing. This is a very general observation made from personal and shared experience from organizing a couple years ago. Perhaps things have changed since, or will change in the near future. Again, perhaps this is simply a North American challenge to overcome for any national OPS in the U.S./Canada.

(2) Class---If in the U.S. 20% of the work force are coordinators, 80% are the working class, and 2-3% serious capitalists, than here in the U.S. our national OPS strategy towards class relations and class struggle should increase material and social costs to the coordinators for their cooperation with the capitalist class, and increase the costs of the capitalist class for being the wealthy bastards they are, so they give in to our programmatic demands---whatever we decide they are: increased wages, shorter work week, full employment programs, etc.

We will also have to develop strategy to address local, regional and national divisions of labor. And, complimentary to an International movement, once they have developed campaigns in their own countries, perhaps we could have OPS international solidarity campaigns aimed at pressuring international financial institutions and global capital, to address the international division of labor, working conditions, and un-equal remuneration between workers of different countries. Of course the above would require an effective mass international movement, but that is what we are talking about.

(3) We'll need strategic orientation as well for gender/sexuality, race/community, and participation in the political events that shape peoples lives.

(4) As most of the above are general medium-range goals, once chapters got going identifying specific short-term goals with an aim to longer-term ever empowering strategy towards winning, will be necessary.


The above is a basic outline for possible IOPS orientation towards strategy. Real day to day organizing yields a much more mixed bag of obstacles and challenges to overcome. I did not want to get too detailed in any strategy proposal, but did want to throw some ideas out there.

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Relation Between Social Movements and Revolutionary Organizations

By Korte, Patrick at Aug 10, 2008 12:35 PM

Hi Chris, thanks for your notes on this subject! I\'d like to contribute to this dialog by adding a question that I believe we must answer together before proceeding: How would members of such an organization relate to social movements?

 

First, a clarification - by "social movements," I mean progressive formations that have a broad and diverse membership that has its origins in a wide-range of political traditions and comes together to tackle a particular issue or series of issues. Such groups can be liberal or radical, but they typically have different conditions and expectations of membership than revolutionary organizations.

 

In contrast, revolutionary organizations have a disciplined and committed membership, a flexible social theory through which to understand and critique society, a developed understanding of the values and institutions it seeks to have a new society embody, and an articulate strategic framework and program that informs its day-to-day work. Examples of revolutionary organizations range from London\'s Solidarity Group to the Bay Area\'s STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement). I would argue that an organic unity between social movements and revolutionary organizations is a necessary precondition for revolution in the U.S.

 

The above definitions are not perfect, but for now they are sufficient. Now, back to my initial concerns regarding the relationship between social movements and a revolutionary organization.

 

It has been my experience that three views exist that are relevant to efforts at building a revolutionary organization. I will keep my comments brief, so there will be significant room for expansion and elaboration.

 

One view is that revolutionary organization is unnecessary. Instead, individual revolutionaries can function well enough within mass organizations (like labor unions, women\'s liberation groups, or neighborhood organizations) without the support of a revolutionary formation. This viewpoint sees revolutionary organizations as paternalistic and often obstructive to the functioning and progress of the Left. Given the horrible experiences I\'ve had with various sectarian groups, I can understand this concern - however, my experiences in social movements has led me to believe that a revolutionary organization is necessary to keep morale high; to provide a space for reflection, criticism, and summation; and to provide a way for revolutionaries to concentrate their efforts in the most effective way. Such an organization would not only provide the education and experience needed to develop new revolutionaries, but would also advance the struggles of particular social movements.



A second view is that those advocating a vision of a participatory society are cut-off from social movements in the U.S. This is not true in most cases, since many revolutionaries (like ourselves) are involved in Left campaigns, organizations, or projects (ranging from labor, anti-war, or environmental work, to projects like Z Communications or Arbeiter Ring Publishing). However, some radicals believe that the institutional vision we propose is being advocated "from the outside" or "imposed" upon social movements. I do not think this is true (especially since leftists should be having discussions regarding what it is that the Left is actually fighting for), though it is a concern that can be addressed through developing better ways of discussing vision (ways that clarify why such discussions are relevant to movement building now) and developing a better practice (revolutionaries struggling for a participatory society will be taken more seriously if they put the interests of the social movement with which they are involved in first, if they share their skills and knowledge as broadly as possible, and if they are actively providing leadership development for the group as a whole).

 

The third view is that revolutionary organizations are inherently vanguardist or elitist. Problems relating to this will arise when considering that there will not instantly be a revolutionary organization with a committed and disciplined membership in the hundreds or thousands. Therefore, how does an organization avoid being viewed as a vanguardist or elitist group, especially in its formative stages? This question is complicated - membership to such an organization cannot be open to anyone during the initial period of formation and activity, especially if such an organization strives to have a membership that is both genuinely active in movement building (either through participation in already existing mass organizations, or through building new groups or alternative institutions) and has unified its theory with practice (i.e., in day-to-day work, members are not sectarian or dogmatic, and their analysis, vision, and strategy actually informs, inspires, and improves their practice as revolutionaries and the practice of the movement that they are involved in as a whole).

 

In short, the ways in which a revolutionary organization would actually advance the goals of social movements must be articulated further. Such an organization needs a clear policy regarding its relation to the broader movement - it needs to be clear that it does not seek to take control of mass organizations or to remake them in its own image, but is instead concerned with both the advancement of particular struggles (single-issue and multi-issue), and the development and advancement of a movement for social revolution.

 

Many of the concerns regarding the three views outlined above are addressed in the "The Art of Socialist Revolution" in Unorthodox Marxism by Michael Albert and Robin Hahnel, though the concepts need revision.

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Re: Relation Between Social Movements and Revolutionary Organizations

By Spannos, Chris at Aug 11, 2008 09:32 AM

>Hi Chris,

Hi Pat, how are things in NYC? Hope to make a trip in the next couple months…
 
 
>thanks for your notes on this subject! I\'d like to contribute to this dialog
 
Cool…
 
 
>by adding a question that I believe we must answer together before proceeding: How would members of such an organization relate to social movements? 
 
I agree with the importance of the question, but before proceeding would like to frame the question in the context of the approach proposed in the blog, where I agreed with Michael\'s assessment that for us to win (in the U.S., but I\'m guessing similar in many places) a good place to start is assuming we\'ll need at least 1/3 of the national population on our side---that 1/3 will be sympathetic, 1/3 against, and 1/3 going about their everyday lives. My proposed thinking was IOPS or OPS strategy dealing with each of the one thirds. So, through this lens, progressive social movements would account for probably much less than the 1/3 we need on our side, although obviously, because of the reasons you mention below, like political traditions, as well as mutual and overlapping interests, and also that true long lasting success of any movement for a parsoc will depend on the success of other movements in other social spheres as they are, as a parsoc orientation entails, interdependent. So, naturally, many divers social movements would make allies in struggle.
 
 
>First, a clarification - by "social movements," I mean progressive formations that have a broad and diverse membership that has its origins in a wide-range of political traditions and comes together to tackle a particular issue or series of issues. Such groups can be liberal or radical, but they typically have different conditions and expectations of membership than revolutionary organizations.
 
Okay…
 
 
 >In contrast, revolutionary organizations have a disciplined and committed membership, a flexible social theory through which to understand and critique society, a developed understanding of the values and institutions it seeks to have a new society embody, and an articulate strategic framework and program that informs its day-to-day work. Examples of revolutionary organizations range from London\'s Solidarity Group to the Bay Area\'s STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement). I would argue that an organic unity between social movements and revolutionary organizations is a necessary precondition for revolution in the U.S.
 
What do you mean by organic unity? I agree that there needs to be some kind of relation that enables movement of consciousness further to the Left, towards a complimentary holist orientation, that is agile enough to “swim among the people” (interact with the mainstream) and also allow for people\'s commitments to both be as disciplined as you suggest a revolutionary organization may want, but also be less committed when daily life demands it---such as family, personal life, material conditions, etc. I think a revolutionary organization should somehow accommodate both, being open to the broader progressive Left, non-Left, and folks gravitating towards the Left (do they even have a reason to today?) as well as disciplined fulltime revolutionaries.
 
 
>The above definitions are not perfect, but for now they are sufficient. Now, back to my initial concerns regarding the relationship between social movements and a revolutionary organization.
 
>It has been my experience that three views exist that are relevant to efforts at building a revolutionary organization. I will keep my comments brief, so there will be significant room for expansion and elaboration.
 
>One view is that revolutionary organization is unnecessary. Instead, individual revolutionaries can function well enough within mass organizations (like labor unions, women\'s liberation groups, or neighborhood organizations) without the support of a revolutionary formation. This viewpoint sees revolutionary organizations as paternalistic and often obstructive to the functioning and progress of the Left. Given the horrible experiences I\'ve had with various sectarian groups, I can understand this concern - however, my experiences in social movements has led me to believe that a revolutionary organization is necessary to keep morale high; to provide a space for reflection, criticism, and summation; and to provide a way for revolutionaries to concentrate their efforts in the most effective way. Such an organization would not only provide the education and experience needed to develop new revolutionaries, but would also advance the struggles of particular social movements.
 
I agree with you… However, I’d also add that it seems pretty self-righteous for anyone to assume that any individual knows what is right for mass organization working alone or in a small group or affinity—as if they had the correct consciousness and the others had false conscious---even assuming they are more right about strategy, tactics, goals etc., than others in their unions, school, community, or whatever---it smacks of vanguardism, paternalism, coordinatorism, etc.  Not only are there many historical examples to prove the effectiveness of revolutionary organizations, as you know, but even non-revolutionary goals like strictly reform campaigns, without desiring deeper structural changes, cannot be done alone by a single individual. A kind of aside, but none-the-less important, I think, is that without a mass movement or organization, revolutionary consciousness, held by a single person and no other, would drive that person to question their own sanity, or act in unusual ways, perhaps taken to extremities, when there is lack of mass movements and organizations to back them up, work with, develop, and relate to. But this does not address the issue, as you touch on above, of what may make the difference between a good or bad revolutionary organization. 
 

>A second view is that those advocating a vision of a participatory society are cut-off from social movements in the U.S. This is not true in most cases, since many revolutionaries (like ourselves) are involved in Left campaigns, organizations, or projects (ranging from labor, anti-war, or environmental work, to projects like Z Communications or Arbeiter Ring Publishing). However, some radicals believe that the institutional vision we propose is being advocated "from the outside" or "imposed" upon social movements. I do not think this is true (especially since leftists should be having discussions regarding what it is that the Left is actually fighting for), though it is a concern that can be addressed through developing better ways of discussing vision (ways that clarify why such discussions are relevant to movement building now) and developing a better practice (revolutionaries struggling for a participatory society will be taken more seriously if they put the interests of the social movement with which they are involved in first, if they share their skills and knowledge as broadly as possible, and if they are actively providing leadership development for the group as a whole).
 
It is interesting that vision such as an I/OPS would propose could be perceived as being "cut-off" from other social movements, since whether it is cut-off or not has very little, if any, bearing on the validity or insight of the vision or of any good ideas. What if Marx or Bakunin worked alone in a dark room on the top floor of a mansion all their lives, never interacting with anyone? Could the basic insights of Marx\'s class analysis or those from Bakunin\'s comments on the division of labor be written off as nonsensical? But, aside from the above being untrue, I agree with you that seeing visionary proposals as authoritarian or vanguardist curbs the kinds of discussions that we should be having and therefore any possibilities of advancing our social movements. Rejecting vision is counter-productive to our movements. But the other part of what you mention, about putting the interests of the social movement first, before vision, is, I agree with you, also mistaken. Why will people join our movements, and how will they grow, if we do not try to understand and answer the hard question of where it is we want to go? Seeing that the world depends on it…this could arguably be one of the most urgent questions needing an answer from all social movements, and should not be brushed aside for other social movement interests that, however, are equally important.
 
 
 
>The third view is that revolutionary organizations are inherently vanguardist or elitist. Problems relating to this will arise when considering that there will not instantly be a revolutionary organization with a committed and disciplined membership in the hundreds or thousands. Therefore, how does an organization avoid being viewed as a vanguardist or elitist group, especially in its formative stages? This question is complicated - membership to such an organization cannot be open to anyone during the initial period of formation and activity, especially if such an organization strives to have a membership that is both genuinely active in movement building (either through participation in already existing mass organizations, or through building new groups or alternative institutions) and has unified its theory with practice (i.e., in day-to-day work, members are not sectarian or dogmatic, and their analysis, vision, and strategy actually informs, inspires, and improves their practice as revolutionaries and the practice of the movement that they are involved in as a whole).
 
Again, the person who argues against having a revolutionary organization which seeks not only vision for a future society that is classless, non-racist, non-sexist, participatory and self-managing, etc., but also uses that vision to inform their organizational structure and movement building, has to ask themselves some hard questions, I think, like “what gives them the right to decide as individuals what may be best for others as compared to deciding with all others who are affected, and in a structure that consciously aspires for solidarity, diversity, equity, self-management, etc.?”
 
I agree with you on the complexity of problems you mention, however, if someone is making the argument that there are all these potential problems and perhaps only a fraction of the desired membership to start with instead of launching a mass movement from the very outset, and so therefore it runs the risk of being vangaurdist, elitist, etc., I would say they are wrong, first, simply, because small in number does not equal vanguard or elite. Two, the formative stages will be hard, just as you mention, but if someone is arguing that just because something is hard we should shy away from attempting it, they are again mistaken---changing the world is hard, should we forfeit our shot? Three, you raise some concrete issues that I think in many cases could be left to those affected i.e. local, regional, and national chapters could have their own separate “mission statement,” “constitution,” “basis of unity,” or “charter” with vision, political aspirations, orientation towards inclusively, etc., as well each could have their own approach to membership, education, institution and movement building, consciousness raising, campaigns, etc. The issue it seems to me, and maybe I’m jumping the gun a bit, but I imagine a situation where the internal structure of each chapter at whatever level is defined by those affected in the chapter. Where there is a regional, national or international organization, it is optional for a smaller chapters to join the higher level if they want, but they then have to agree to the “higher level” “mission statement” or “basis of unity.” And, just as in Steve Shalom’s parpolity, the “higher level” maybe follows the logic of nested council structure:
 
First, everyone gets to participate in a council that is small enough for face-to-face decision-making and for real deliberation. Second, many decisions will be made in these councils. That is, there are many decisions that should be made at this lowest level council because the decision affects only or overwhelmingly the members of that council. Third, because there are many decisions that affect more than the people in a single council, the councils affected will have to coordinate their decision-making. This means that councils will have to send delegates to a higher level council. (And, if the decision affects more than one of these higher level councils, they would in turn send delegates to a third-level council. And so on.)
 
How would these higher level councils operate? We don’t want to have delegates mandated by their sending councils, for then the higher level councils will not be deliberative bodies. As noted previously, there would be no point to anyone speaking or trying to persuade others, or passionately explaining one’s special concerns, because all the delegates would have zero leeway—they have to vote the way their sending council told them to. This means that no one from council A gets to hear the perspective of people from council B, and there is no possibility of coming to a better position than either A or B alone proposed. On the other hand, if the delegates are not mandated and just do what they want, then we have the problem of delegates becoming like the unrepresentative representatives that characterize representative democracy. What makes more sense is to send a delegate who, because she or he has been part of a council and participated in a deliberative process with its members, understands their sentiments and concerns, and is authorized to deliberate on their behalf with other delegates. But what will prevent this un-mandated delegate from becoming an unrepresentative representative? First, the connection between delegates and their sending councils is an organic one, not at all like the connection between members of the U.S. Congress and their 600,000-member constituencies. The delegates are part of—and constantly returning to—their sending council. Second, delegates will be rotated; no one will be permitted to serve continuously as a council’s delegate. Third, delegates will be subject to immediate recall. If ever a council believes that its delegate no longer adequately reflects its concerns and sentiments (and all higher-level council meetings are videotaped and easily monitored), then it may immediately replace the delegate with someone else.
Fourth, the higher-level councils will only vote on matters that are relatively non-controversial. Whenever a vote is close (or when enough lower councils insist), the decision is returned to the lower councils for a decision. It might be asked, why not send all issues back to the primary-level councils for a vote? But this is where our concern to avoid overdoing participation with excessive time demands comes in. By sending back contentious issues or those so requested by the lower-level councils, we have a check on abuse of power by the delegates to the higher-level councils. But to send everything back would simply be a waste of time. Voting
 
I’ve used the word “voting” several times, but this raises the question of whether the decision-making procedure requires consensus, majority rule, or some other percentage. Consensus decision-making—where discussion continues until everyone agrees— has much to recommend it. It allows and encourages mutual respect, deliberation, and tolerance. An impassioned minority should not be ignored.
 
Consensus particularly works well in small groups with a common outlook. But to rely exclusively on consen- sus doesn’t make sense for a large scale society, or even for smaller groups which did not come together on the basis of common views. To reject consensus is to override the often deeply-held concerns of a few. But to insist on consensus is to override the often deeply-held concerns of the many.
 
 
Perhaps and I/OPS could adopt this and develop it as some decision making structure and policy.
 
 
>In short, the ways in which a revolutionary organization would actually advance the goals of social movements must be articulated further. Such an organization needs a clear policy regarding its relation to the broader movement - it needs to be clear that it does not seek to take control of mass organizations or to remake them in its own image, but is instead concerned with both the advancement of particular struggles (single-issue and multi-issue), and the development and advancement of a movement for social revolution.
 
>Many of the concerns regarding the three views outlined above are addressed in the "The Art of Socialist Revolution" in Unorthodox Marxism by Michael Albert and Robin Hahnel, though the concepts need revision.
 
Yes, any revolutionary organization for a participatory society would have to be cautious  for the reasons you note. But I also think, and maybe I’m wrong, that although still relevant, a lot of progress has been made since the time when Michael and Robin wrote that book. I think many in today’s social movements are very intuitive about this, and even, unfortunately, as the rest of your above post indicates, perhaps overly careful about proposing ideas, vision, or strategy---to a fault---thinking that even these basic things constitute an assault on movements from a vanguard or paternalistic group.
 
It’s also the case I think that today’s Left in the U.S. is estranged from mainstream society, or maybe it is the other way around, we have no appeal for those outside the Left. So I think a possible OPS organization should address organizing within the Left which is what we’ve been discussing, and also outside the Left which I think raises another set of questions for such an organization, and then also interacting with those who are combatative (ideologically and institutionally). But about organizing on the Left, I think an OPS needs to be explicit, perhaps in a “basis of unity” that we think the long-term success of any social movement depends on the long-term success of all social movements, therefore our long-term interests are entwined, and consequentially social movements need to develop an orientation that includes vision for other areas of social and institutional life, that appeal to others outside their movement and provide reason for others to join them. An example may be the anti-corporate globalization movement having not only program, strategy, and vision for global economics, but also for kinship, etc. And I think that although this is a general example, there are many others, and these could be spelled out more concretely by local chapters.
 
 

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By McGehee, Michael at Aug 12, 2008 06:39 AM

chris, you said \"I think that today\'s Left in the U.S. is estranged from mainstream society, or maybe it is the other way around, we have no appeal for those outside the Left.\" and this is precisely what concerns me and what i was getting at in my comment about how the 1/3 (ie 100 million Americans) needed to make a successful movement are with that other 1/3 just trying to get by in life. we dont need to approach these people from the Left. we need to approach them from their every day lives in ways that demonstrate what we stand for. people go to book stores, coffe shops, thrift stores, restaraunts, gas stations and so on. mobilizing consumers into councils over gas prices and food prices in ways that demonstrate the significance of a participatory approach could be important. every average joe ive mentioned consumer councils to have been receptive. im still trying to get some feedback on what legalities of starting such a group would be but i think now is an opportune time to organize consumers. maybe there is some rebel book store in Austin (which there is) that could get its customers involved, or some vegan diner in down town fort worth (ie spiral diner) or maybe some anarchists could collectively run a thrift store or co-op grocery store that not only gets the workers involved but the consumers as well. the other day my girlfriend and i ate lunch at the spiral diner in ft worth. the paper that has the straws in them said they were 100% biodegradable and made from corn. i told her, \"see, this is where consumers could be involved. maybe this is a good idea and maybe the fact that its made from a food substance is a bad idea because of its adverse effects for some hungry guy in Oaxaca. Point is, consumers should be involved and saying \'let\'s work together with this diner to look for a better alternative.\'\" anyway, im really skeptical about taking a revolutionary approach from some Leftist think-tank (maybe im wrong but i smell elitism) and think time and energy could be best spent doing everyday things that interact with workers, consumers and communities. ie food drives, clothes drives, helping the poor, elderly and sick get to their doctors appointments or running errands; anything of substance that nourishes participation, strong communal ties and is totally organic. we should minimize the rhetoric, and let the actions speak for themselves. I think these kinds of strategies would help the Left form better ties with that 1/3 dramatically.

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By Spannos, Chris at Aug 20, 2008 13:13 PM

Hi Michael,

I do think mass consumer council movements have a lot of appeal and could possibly prove effective in organizing many people towards economic justice consistent with participatory economic aspirations, but my concern with this strategy (similar to what you touch on in your comment) would be to somehow overcome the consumer individualism perpetuated by a market economy i.e. market prices and market roles of buyer and seller hiding the true social costs and consequences of our consumption and production choices. While I think mobilizing consumers around national healthcare and education programs, housing, welfare, etc. is a great thing, the negative side of this strategy to be overcome is for consumers to be able to understand how our consumption choices are not only affecting others around the world i.e. imperial wars and occupation for geo-strategic control over regions for resources and oil which should drive the cost of oil way up even beyond the current $4.00 per gallon, but also food---at least here in the U.S. seems to be in abundance (and even flooding third world markets i.e. corn in Mexico, or corn and soy produced for everything other than eating) to which one possible solution would be, not more production of food, but rather re-distribution of both agricultural land and the production process away from conglomerates in both the first and third world, as well as allowing higher tariffs and protections from U.S. imports in other countries to protect sectors in their own economies, while opening markets here in the U.S. to goods that those other countries have the comparative advantage at producing, while retaining our own comparative advantage here. Bottom line is that I think a consumer council strategy should have a strong element of solidarity with producers nationally and internationally. We could envision many campaigns, some pretty simple, some more complex.

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By McGehee, Michael at Aug 07, 2008 14:48 PM

ive thought about strategies in which to reach that 1/3

as it is that 1/3 we talk about is with the other 1/3 who is going about their daily lives.

conducting our work in ways that reach them in their daily lives would probably be a good strategy.

isnt that how Hamas and Hezbollah are successful? they provide services to those trying to go about their daily lives.

restaraunts, coffe shops, co-op grocery stores, thrift stores, leizure activities and so on.

perhaps we should be thinking about how to penetrate these places where we encounter the 2/3...

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