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First published at Black Agenda Report www.blackagendareport.org 



You probably know about Trayvon Martin, the young back man shot dead by the young white neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman last February 26th. Trayvon’s case became a national sensation, sparking large demonstrations across the country

 

It is possible that you have heard of Ramarley Graham, an 18 year-old black man followed to his home in the Bronx and killed there by police (who falsely claimed that he “ran away”) last February 2nd. Graham’s killing and the subsequent charging of the officer who murdered him with a single shot received coverage in The New York Times.

 

I doubt, however, that you have heard of Wendell Allen, a black 20 year-old former high school basketball star who was shot in the back while wearing pajamas by New Orleans police who invaded his home on marijuana suspicions. There were four children in the house when Allen was murdered by white officers from the infamous NOPD last March 7th. (Large mobilizations and a Grand Jury investigation followed).

 

I don’t suppose you’ve heard of a 31 year-old black man named Manuel Loggins, Jr. either. Last February 10th, the former Marine sergeant was shot dead by San Clemente, California police while he was praying and exercising at a local school track. After witnessing the murder of their father, his two daughters, 9 and 14, were detained in isolation for 13 hours.

 

You didn’t likely hear anything either about Johnnie Warren, a 43-year old black man who used to live in Dothan, Alabama. Last February 15th, Warren was killed by police taser there for the crime of public intoxication.

 

Or Stephon Watts, a black 15 year-old mentally disturbed boy shot to death by Calumet City, Illinois police last February 1st. Cops responding to a 911 call exercised deadly force after finding Watts in possession of a harmless pen knife.

 

Or Raymond Allen, a 34-year-old black man who was hog-tied and tasered to death after being picked up by Galveston, Texas cops for “suspicion of being under the influence of drugs” last February 29th.

 

Or Angelo Clark, a 31 year-old black man, killed by a SWAT team searching for drugs in his home in Little Rock, Arkansas, last January. Clark was accused of pointing an AK-47 at the police but he had no way of knowing that the people who broke into his home were police until after he was shot.

 

And then there’s Justin Sipp, a 20-year-old black man shot dead by an NOPD officer with a long history of brutality. Sipp died because he argued with the cops after being pulled over for “look[ing] suspicious” as he drove with a broken taillight last March 1st.

 

And Nehemiah Dillard, a 29 year-old black man tasered to death for “behaving strangely” in Gainesville, Florida last March 5th.

 

And Dante Price, a 25-year-old black man shot 22 times by White Ranger Security guards at Summer Square apartments in Dayton, Ohio last March 1st. Price was on his way to baby-sit his children. (Significant community protests and a Grand Jury investigation followed)

 

And Rekia Boyd, 22, an innocent bystander shot to death by an off-duty Chicago cop who was angry over loud noise in a city park last March 27th.

 

The list of Black Americans killed by white cops this year goes on and on. It’s an epidemic. As researchers Ariene Eisen and Kali Akuno show in a detailed report prepared for the Malcom X Grassroots Movement (MXGM) last month, we know of at least 120 cases of black people being killed by police, security guards, and “self-appointed law-enforcers “ (e.g. George Zimmerman) between January 1 and June 30th, 2012. That’s 1 killing every 36 hours.

 

MXGM’s Report on the Extrajudicial Killings of 120 Black People[1] provides a chilling anatomy of racist, state-terrorist murder. Of the 120 black lives taken by police, guards, and vigilantes in the first seven months of this year:

 

  • 46% were killed without the police even pretending that the victims were wielding weapons.
  • 36% were killed with the police claiming that the victims wielded weapons but with the claim challenged by witnesses and/or family members.
  • Just 18% were incontestably armed.
  • Just 12.5% actually shot at officers.
  • 69% were ages 13 to 31.
  • 11% were children under 18.
  • 28% suffered from mental health problems that contributed to their deaths.
  • 31% had engaged in no conduct that could have reasonably been called criminal.
  • 40% came into fatal contact with their killers because of police “stop and frisk” interventions conducted on the pretext of “suspicious behavior,” “suspicious appearance” or “traffic violations.”
  • More than a third were attempting to “run away” when they were killed.
  • 9% were suspected of nothing at all (e.g. Rekia Boyd)
  • 38% were forgotten: “a careful Internet search could not find their names after an initial flurry of news about their killings” (Eisen and Akuno).

 

Subtracting 15 cases in which victims shot at officers, Eisen and Akuno recovered 105 incidents in which black Americans died in what amounted to “extrajudicial executions.”

 

In many cases where the victims used or threatened violence they did do so without having any reason to know that the killers who stopped them or entered their homes were police (the Angelo Clark case is one example).

 

The killers have faced little in the way of investigation or prosecution. Six security guards and “self-appointed law-enforcers” – the most notable example in the second category is George Zimmerman (jailed only after a remarkable national protest wave) – have been charged. Just 3 police officers have been charged – one for vehicular homicide-DUI and 3 for manslaughter.

 

“The executions continue,” Eisen and Akuno note, “nationwide: from north to south, east to west, in rural towns and large metropolitan areas.” It is not a “southern problem,” though some Southern cities (Atlanta, Dallas, Memphis, New Orleans, and Jacksonville) seem to conduct street executions of blacks “in numbers disproportionate to the size of their Black populations.”

 

It seems likely that the MXGM report is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the extrajudicial killing of American minorities. There is no official database, public or private, that records incidents of excessive police or security guard force against blacks or Latinos (The latter are also frequent police shooting and stop-and-frisk targets, as in Anaheim, California, where repeated cop killings of young Hispanics recently sparked riots). Eisen and Akuno had to compile their list as best they could by spending days combing the Internet for newspaper, television, police, eyewitness and other reports. [2]

 

It should be noted (without disparaging the remarkable MXGM report) that direct police killings contribute a relatively small part of the death count generated by white America’s war on U.S. blacks. The antiwar group Iraq Body Count grossly understated the real number of civilian casualties resulting from the criminal U.S. invasion of Iraq because it restricted its list of victims to those who could be shown in multiple sources to have been directly killed by U.S. bombs, missiles, bullets, or artillery. Many more Iraqis died prematurely because of health and safety issues related to the U.S. invasion’s destruction of civilian and public infrastructure (water treatment, electricity, health services, food supplies, and the like) and the general disruption of daily life.

 

In a similar vein, millions of blacks die far too soon because of the broad catastrophe that is institutional racism. Racial oppression’s terrible toll has intensified amidst the latest capitalist depression even as it is more cloaked than ever by the existence of a “first black president.”  Endemic systemic economic and public disinvestment, persistent savage residential and school segregation,  financial starvation of black schools, epic racist mass incarceration and felony marking (what Michelle Alexander rightly calls “The New Jim Crow”), continuing job (hiring and promotion) discrimination, lack of medical access and health coverage, absent green space, the concentration of frustration and weapons – all of this and more create Third World poverty, disease, and mortality rates across much of black America.

 

Black pain is furthered by a deeply embedded cultural racism that is reflected and reproduced in the dominant mass media. The reigning corporate-Caucasian communications empire presents inner city black males as menacing, drug-addled thugs and black females as lazy, over-sexed “welfare-shoppers.”  The metropolitan Ten and Eleven O’clock news stoke white suburban fear and disgust with an endless procession of black gang-bangers and murderers without an iota of context on the policies, practices, and structures of institutional racism that create misery and early death in the nation’s persistently separate and unequal black communities. Racially biased media coverage is intimately elated to the chilling indifference most of the nation shows towards quickly forgotten incidents of unjustified white-on-black police killing.

 

The epidemic of extrajudicial execution continues. On July 29th, a 21 year-old black man named Chavis Carter was shot and killed while handcuffed in a patrol car in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Carter had been pulled over and searched by officers who found a $10 bag of marijuana in his car. The police have absurdly claimed that he committed suicide.

 

On August 11th, New York City shot to death a 51 year-old black man they had approached for allegedly smoking marijuana in Manhattan’s Times Square. Wielding an 11-inch knife and wearing a bandana, Darrius Kennedy was killed by no less than 12 NYPD bullets in front of hundreds of horrified tourists and city residents. Welcome to the Big Apple!

 

Why this plague of white police-on-black citizen killings? Along with the recent upsurge of hate groups and “antigovernment patriot organizations,” the police shootings likely reflect (among other things) white fears sparked by the changing racial demographics of the nation. Whites are projected to become a minority by 2050. In the mind of many Caucasians, including some police officers, these changing demographics are personified by the technically nonwhite identity of the nation’s “first black president.” 

 

Never mind that the “post-racial” Barack Obama (who rose to national prominence with a speech proclaiming that there is “no such thing as a black America or a white America” and who saved his presidential candidacy with a speech announcing that racism was a problem located only in the American past, not the present) is on board with dominant white victim-blaming explanations of black poverty. And never mind that he refuses to undertake any policy designed to meaningfully address specific black grievances and issues. (Don’t look for a Justice Department investigation of the current killer cop wave anytime soon). Proto-fascist whites do not make or get distinctions between tepid, system-serving moderates like Barack Obama, Eric Holder, and Booker T. Washington and those who actually fight for social justice like Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. DuBois, Malcom X, and Martin Luther King, Jr. Just as there’s no number of overseas Muslims that Obama could extra-judicially execute to shake white 21st century Amerikanners of their faith in his Muslim identity and allegiances, there’s no amount of tolerance Obama could show to those who stalk, imprison, and kill black Americans that would disabuse the racists of their belief that he is a threat to white privilege.

 

Paul Street (www.paulstreet.org) is the author of numerous books, including Empire and Inequality: America and the World Since 9/11 (Paradigm, 2004), Racial Oppression in the Global Metropolis (Rowman&Littlefield, 2007), The Empire’s New Clothes: Barack Obama in the Real World of Power (Paradigm, 2010), and (co-authored with Anthony DiMaggio) Crashing the Tea Party: Mass Media and the Campaign to Remake American Politics (Paradigm, 2011). Street can be reached at paulstreet99@yahoo.com. 

 

Notes



[1] http://mxgm.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/07_24_Report_all_rev_protected.pdf. a follow up to their April 6, 2012 report Trayvon Martin is All of

Us!" at http://mxgm.org/trayvon-martin-is-all-of-us/

 

[2] There is,” Eisen and Akuno note, “no national database that tracks these killings. Wikipedia has posted a very incomplete list and detailed the limits of other databases available: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States”

  

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Good article, but....

By Wesley, William at Aug 19, 2012 18:17 PM

Paul,

Good article on racism.  American are (probably?) gravely dilluded by images of a post racial society, but for the record your article on Libya was not your finest hour.  

You object to cop killings in the US, but seem blase about Tawergha, Libya where about 30,000 blacks were driven, murdered, raped and ethnically cleansed away by your so called "pro democracy" fighters.

Worse, you don't seem sorry at all.  I guess when a capitalist cop kills a black in Detriot that's bad, but it's fine to kill us in mass when the war is supported by the fashionable Marxist Achcar to whom you seem to defer to on all things Middle Eastern.

Tawergha is well documented.  While Achcar's claims of a civilian massacre in Lybya was as non-existent as Bush's weapon of mass destruction claims.

Even worse, the war was never necessary as Gaddafi, seeing the writing on the wall, had already repeatedly tried to withdraw from Libya, which was in every press report that Gilbert decided not to read.  Shamefully, you even cite Chomsky as an authority in support of the war even though Chomsky was on record as saying that Gaddafi's withdrawal offer should be pursued.

Something to think about at your next cocktail party with Achcar and the rest of your "Marxist" and/or "pareecowhatthehellever" pals.


Sincerely,


William
 






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Re: Good article, but....

By Street, Paul at Aug 24, 2012 16:13 PM

This is one of the most frozen, bitter, and vicious comments I've ever received and it is sadly all too emblematic of a deadly kind of bitterness and borderline psychosis tha is all too common on  what passes for a radical left in the U.S. The comment is also quite stupid and unfair.. Whatever I did or didn't say on Achcar's notion that a massacre was likely in a certain part of Libya and on certain historical/empirical differencces between the invasion or Iraq and the U.S.war on Libya, the notion that I supported the latter action and that I thought ot think U.S. imperialists and their allies in Libya were or are "freedom fighters" is...blatantly preposterous. The notion that I am indifferent to or okay with the killing of large numbers  blacks in Libya is., agan, ludicrous.

Even if I had written as terribly as the bitter "William Wesley" claims (I didn't), my hyper-alienated critic seems stuck in time as if one holds forever to something they may have thought (rightly or wrongly) quite some time ago - as if people and their minds are not fluid. That sort of narrow fixation (typically on one or two small comments) is charavteristic of on obsessive and stuck ego.

While it is true that I've had little to say in any detailed way about Libya since early spring 2011, I've felt little need to tackle it (numerous radicals have done excellent work on U.S. crimes there and I have been focusing quite a bit on domestic politics and ecological issues), I  have repeatedly included Libya in my various lists of Obama's imperial crimes over the last year or so.  I' ve never once remotely suggested that U.S. policy in Libya (or anywhere else) is about anything else other than imperialism, of course.  Chomsky's position on Libya is in  my opinion superior to Achcar's, for what that's worth - NC was quite right to point out the difference between U.S./Western access to Libyan oil and U.S./Western controol of Libyan oil.

Also for what it's worth I will remind WW that Gilbert Achcar is a simply remarkable Left scholar

We get a clue to what's really going on with "William Wesley" at the end whan he imagines me attending fancy big city cocktail parties (and eating caviar perhaps?)  with "fashionable" Marxists and pareconists etc.  WW feels powerless and left out and unheard and under-recognized and angry and he wants to take down supposed "big shots" like me with a nasty post on the World Wide Web. Okay...  

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Re: Re: Good article, but....

By Wesley, William at Aug 25, 2012 16:37 PM

Paul,

Thank you for your "reminder" that Achcar is a remarkable left scholar.  But is this wordplay?  Sure, the Libyan war left tens of thousands of mostly black Africans dead, displaced, raped, etc.  The city of Tawergha was left empty.  And Gaddadi offered to leave into exile, so there was never a "moral cause" for the war to begin with.  In this sense of the word, I agree that Achcar is a remarkable "Left" scholar with an unshakable sense of how right the Libya war was.

While your Libya article paid the obvious lip service to imperialist motives, you spend considerable energy attempting the create the impression that, for lack of a better phrase, " that this war is different" in part by using the standard modern imperialist playbook of inventing a massacre that did not exist.  Worse, the withdrawal offer well documented in the press rendered any talk of preventing a massacre moot.  

And your other arguments were worse, such as implying that the war was somehow less problematic because the US was arguably less involved than the lesser European imperialist powers.

While I would never stoop to calling you "stupid" and "vicious" and the other things you called me, I think its fair to say that the claims made in your article on Libya did not meet the minimum level of rationality or objectivity of a serious commentator.

Admittedly, you focus mainly on US issues, but that's no excuse for jumping on the bandwagon of fashionable, yet unsubstantiated and illogical claims that ironically unleashed a wave of racial hate in Libya.

Worse, your smugness is breathtaking.  I've never until you heard anyone serious imply that commentary older than 12 months are somehow off limits for discussion or "frozen" in time!  You claim that my ego is "stuck" but, in your case, the real problem might be that when all else fails, you change the subject.  

Hopefully you'll consider this a compliment, but contrary to your response I do not in any way consider you or Achcar a "supposed big shot" , but your pop shots can have a very real if small effect on social thinking and you're therefore not above or below criticism or questions.

That said, it is remarkable how quickly you loose your temper and descend into rather hard core name calling (stupid, powerless, etc) and macho claims that I'm trying to somehow "take down" the big shot.

To the contraty, I'm fine with big shots (my bookshelf is filled with them)  and I'm quite comfortable with my own mix of personal, academic and professional success (and inevitable folly) which I need not elaborate on.  

That said, your own ego and the thickness of your skin are your business.

Cheers,

William


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Re: Re: Re: Good article, but....

By Street, Paul at Aug 25, 2012 17:57 PM

Oh yes I was really on the bandwagon of the Libyan war. See Paul Street, "Standard Imperial Hypocrisy: Reflections on Obama, the World, Libya, and Mass Diversion," Dissident Voice (March 26, 2011). at http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/standard-imperial-hypocrisy/

Beyond your silly attempt to fit me up as a cheerleader for the Libyan war (a false charge  for which you should apologize and bow your head in shame) there is the further question of why on Earth you would be obsessing over this question 17 months later.  How dysfunctional is that?

What sort of bizarre fixation compels you you to make charges against me on Libya well more than a year after the invasion (which I opposed)? And Why pollute and pre-empt discussion on a very important topic ---- racist police killings in the U.S..

Pretty disgraceful.

You would not dare talk this nonsense to me face to face in a pub in your listed home of London, England. For good reasons,

 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Good article, but....

By Wesley, William at Aug 25, 2012 20:43 PM

 
In your article "Libya, the Left, and Losing Our Way", you take issue with those who "are uncomfortable with the notion that any U.S. and Western military intervention in what we used to call the Third World might happen to have a positive humanitarian impact in one instance."
 
You also offer a number of "arguments" as to why this war might have such a positive impact.  Among other things, you repeat Achcar's claim that  "it’s about preventing a massacre" (for which there was no evidence, plus Gaddafi had offered to withdraw, well documented in the press).  You also try to get some mileage out of the war being mainly a French and English affair, not the US, blah blah blah.
 
Yet, curiously, you claim to have opposed the war.  If anything, you seemed to spare no efforts to cobble together an "anti-imperialist" argument for the war (cloaked of course with the necessary qualifications and denunciations of Obama, his imperialism, etc).
 
Your self imposed the 17-month statute of limitations on criticizing those who claim the war would have a “positive humanitarian impact in one instance” is ever more bizarre.  Do you say the same thing about other massacres?   Maybe you're a greater fan of Orwell's memory hole than I would have guessed.
 
If you saw the light in a later article then good on you, I guess.
 
If the thread that weaves together massacres of blacks abroad (Libya) and at home (the US) is a step too far in terms of abstraction I apologize.  But it can't be more of a stretch than implying a war will have a positive impact in terms of "preventing" a massacre, then claiming you opposed the war all along.
 
And yes, I live in London.  What is this patter about what I would or would not say in a pub?  An implied threat, which by itself would be pretty disgusting?  That said, we can “speak” in a pub whenever.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Good article, but....

By Street, Paul at Aug 26, 2012 21:38 PM

You continue to disgrace yourself, "William Wesley."   This is how you choose to respond to an article about the epidemic of white-on- black police killings in the U.S? With false claims that I was an enthusiast for the U.S. war on Libya - this despite my clear denunciatiton of that war and its false humanitarian pretexrs in http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/standard-imperial-hypocrisy/ ? (You have your timing wrong on when different essays came out)?

Besides apologizing to me you ought to apologize to the relatives of the 100 plus black Americans killed by U.S. police since January 1, 2012. That's what this essay was about, after all, but of course you could give a flying fuck about that.  I have recieved an unusually large number of e-mails from victims of police brutality thanking me for this piece. 

For you to use the comments attached to this particular article to launch your ill-founded and absurdly belated assault on me is bizarre and revolting.

The pretense of outward politeness ("Sincerely, William...Cheers, William" blah blah blah) cannot hide the fact that you are for some strange reason trying to frame me as a cheerleader for the U.S. invasion of Libya. There's no point in trying to pretend this is not an effort to provoke.  

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Good article, but....

By Wesley, William at Aug 27, 2012 08:48 AM

Paul,

In your article "Libya, the Left, and Losing Our Way", you wrote that the Libyan war was "about preventing a massacre" and that some on the left failed to see that such an intervention could "have a positive humanitarian impact in one instance"  (See, Paul Street, "Libya, the Left, and Losing Our Way" on March 29, 2011).

If you want an apology, then simply provide evidence of a massacre in Libya and that other options were explored (such as Gaddafi's offer to withdraw) in good faith.

If you can't apologize, wouldn't the honorable thing be to retract these statements, or apologize for them?  Did you wrote something after March 29 that substantiates these claims?  Your article on March 26 does nothing to substantiate these claims, yet you cite this article while ignoring the claims made in the March 29 article.

Will you apologize to the tens of thousands of black africans killed, displaced and raped in Libya?  None of these victims will thank you for your claim the war would have such positive benefits.  

And I'm not trying to frame you for being a "cheerleader" for the war whatever that means, but you did make several unsubstantiated arguments in favor of it on March 29.  If you can't prove these arguments, but won't retract them, perhaps you should visit the mental health clinic you mentioned  in London above.  I'll pick up the cab ride.


Sincerely,

William

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What Mike A. warned against, to no avail of course ....

By Street, Paul at Aug 27, 2012 15:46 PM



Thinking About Reactions to Libya and Each Other



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[This is a somewhat expanded version of a blog post that appeared just a few days ago and engendered considerable reaction.]
 
Thought One
Good, insightful people can have conflicting views about Libya, the Mideast, and North Africa, and the UN and U.S. role there. 
Rather than flinging verbal daggers at one another until irretrievable splits permanently part us, can we disagree but also hear others and realize we may not be right? Can we even find a way to pursue the logic of our views, differences and all, in a shared agenda?
 
Thought Two
To that end, can we agree on some basics to have in mind to test positions against the immense amount we know about U.S. policies, the limited amount we know about events in Libya, and our shared values and commitments? 
About the U.S., we know that U.S. foreign policy stems from three highly related sources:
1. Geopolitical, economic, and social interests of U.S. ruling elites which in Libya are overwhelmingly dominated by oil and by U.S. ability to coerce regional outcomes toward U.S. agendas. 
2. Desires to maintain an ideological facade to ward off dissent by claiming to respect people, law, and justice, even while actually pursuing antihuman, illegal, and unjust acts. 
3. Being forced by dissent and activism to do what they would otherwise not do, but then of course seeking to implement the two above points as best they can, as well.
About Libya and the region, we know:
1. That the Mideast and North Africa are in turmoil including challenging and even toppling existing relations, in turn potentially affecting regional decisions about oil, Israel, the U.S., etc., and 
2. That the internal balance of power varies from country to country, often involving serious repressive internal and external obstacles to change.
About our values, we all, who are reading this, presumably want:
1. Maximal gain in the quality of life, freedom, and future prospects of people in as many countries as possible, both in the region and elsewhere too, and... 
2. That popular movements in Libya and throughout the region have room to enlarge their awareness and demands and to press their cases without suffering extreme repression or even massacre.
Can we agree, therefore, that any U.S. undertaking in Libya - or for that matter anywhere - will have as its main intentions virtually zero to do with saving innocents other than as something to claim for purposes of rationalization? And can we agree that U.S. intentions will have everything to do with attaining better results for empire, albeit in this case in a difficult situation where U.S. interests are challenged and may be seriously diminished and where public pressure is limiting U.S. options? And can we agree that we want to aid prospects for oppositions to institute new relations throughout the region?
 
Thought Three
If we can agree as noted above, wherein lies the basis for dispute?
Some activists felt that the potential massacre of the opposition in Libya had to be avoided at nearly all costs. Some of these activists, even with a full understanding of the dangers inherent in unleashing U.S. military saw the UN injunction and ensuing intervention as the least harmful real protection and space gaining option for the Libyan opposition. 
Other activists felt, despite their fear for the very survival of the Libyan opposition, that U.S. intervention - and British and French - would be so grotesquely motivated that while one could conceive of such acts stopping at merely protecting the opposition, there was no reason to believe that anything like that would happen unless it was forced, so that the likely cost of intervention would be horribly unacceptable including co-opting or subordinating the opposition to U.S. dictates.  
The debate, now, after the intervention has occurred, could become more nuanced and precise or more polarized and harsh. 
Both sides might agree that whether we like it or not, clearly Qaddafi has some support so that this has become a protracted struggle, perhaps even a civil war. In that context, one side may say, okay, intervening with a no fly zone and perhaps even some very limited attacks on repressive forces about to strike the opposition to prevent massacre and to level the playing field for Libyans to determine their own future by debate and without violent repression was the best we could get and our support was well advised. The other side might say, staying out so that Libyans could determine their own future because greater intervention would in fact generate both greater carnage and also nationalism so great as to trump the true issues of the day and generate only a typical interventionist horror and nationalist reaction, usurping the more creative and far reaching dissident potentials, was the likely outcome, so our opposition was waranted. 
Some will qualify the above views one way, some another way. Some will feel strongly one way, others another way. Some will feel they didn't know enough, or still don't know enough, to have had an opinion about the nuances at all - or perhaps even that no one does.
 
Conclusion 1 
In the real circumstances that actually pertain now, if we can agree to disagree respectfully about past matters, can't we then all also agree that at most limited protection of the opposition should occur and that as little as possible beyond that will be better than escalating intervention, and that in any event actions widening the assault into an interventionist war would be horrific for countless reasons?

And if we can now agree on that much, then whether one wished there had been no intervention at all or liked that it occurred up to a point but wants it to not usurp the opposition's agenda much less plunge the country into interminable occupation and conflict, is actually moot. The universal bottom line now, regardless of one's views about what has happened up until now, would be, even with just this level of agreement, to bring pressure to bear to prevent a widening violent approach by the U.S., Britain, France, et. al., so that Libyans will determine the future of Libya. Disagreements about the past could then take a very distant back seat to unity against wider war in the future. 
 
Conclusion 2
There is, I think, a broader and more subtle and perhaps more troubling point to make, or perhaps more accurately, derivative lesson to consider. 
When someone who I respect, with views I think are informed and solid and with values that I think are sound, takes a stance contrary to a stance I take - what should be my reaction? Say I favor x. This other person, let's call him Joe, previously an ally and considered by me quite sensible and moral, favors y. Let's say that I think y is horribly wrong and Joe, instead, says it is x that is horribly wrong. In this case we can say x is do not institute no fly and y is do institute no fly - or vice versa. In another case the difference might be about some tactical choice for our movement, or even some strategic priority for it.
Okay, so now what? What should be my attitude to Joe and his attitude toward me?
Well, one possibility is that I can think that my view, x, is so utterly obviously true and right that the only conceivable way Joe could believe y instead of x is if Joe has changed his spots - Joe no longer has the values he had earlier or he no longer has the broad analysis he had earlier, and thus of course Joe arrives at y, where I arrived at x. Now there is no denying that this could be accurate. In the Libya case, as one example, Joe, the long time critic of U.S. imperialism, capitalism, etc. etc., who has for years or even decades favored self determination, self management, etc. - could have suddenly moved from his past views and values to new ones, and thus of course to now favoring y instead of x. 
But here is a second possibility. Perhaps Joe is smarter than I and has made a subtle connection I haven't seen. Or perhaps Joe knows some additional facts that I don't know. Or maybe Joe has a different perception or assessment of existing facts, because the assessment is a judgement call, and somewhat of a guess, and he just guesses differently than I do. At any rate, Joe hasn't changed his spots. He hasn't lost his values or insights. He just honestly disagrees. And he may even be not just reasonable, but correct, and in that case I may even be wrong, even though I don't think so.
We on the left often have a very hard time thinking the second possibility even exists, much less is highly likely - yet when you look at the above in the abstract, of course the second possibility is highly likely and the first possibility, with its sudden changing of spots, is strikingly unlikely. We also seem to like to rush to the judgement that the first possibility must be the case, despite it being so improbable, and also so nasty. 
Here is an observation. It isn't even only that the rush to judgement that assumes possibility one is horrible and destructive. We have all seen it occur. We have even seen moronic versions of it in which someone we have been mentored by, say, takes a view contrary to ours, and we dispense with decades of their wisdom and immediately deduce that because they differ from us they must have lost their way and be in a logical or moral sewer, including selling out us and their past, and so on. Okay, that's really bad. It is hard to avoid sometimes, arguably, but is nonetheless horribly bad and important to avoid.
But the problem I want to extend this discussion to, particularly when we are assessing social possibilities, our views of complex policies, and even more so, our views about our own strategic and tactical options, is different. In such cases, we need to not only disagree with mutual respect, we also need to disagree hoping not that we are right and Joe, say, is wrong, but that whoever is right, whether us or Joe, the correct view emerges as ratified and thus the progress of our joint project is greater. To want to be right so much that we are upset to be wrong when discovering that we are wrong means that the overall left is now right - is the added dimension of these issues I mean to highlight.
I have an analogy, harsh, but perhaps clarifying.
Consider Sam is on death row for murder. Sarah was his defense attorney, who lost the court case. Steven was the prosecutor who won the case. Sarah finds out there is DNA from the scene that has newly surfaced. She (and Sam) argue the DNA should be tested so as to show without doubt Sam's innocence, which she believes in. Steven argues against testing...and this is of course not hypothetical but instead something that happens quite often in the real world. 
Notice that Steven wants to have been seen as correct in his past actions more than he wants justice to be attained. The same may be true of Sarah - by the way - who if she were the district attorney would very likely argue like Steven. Okay, Steven's vile stance, and it really is infinitely despicable, is partly because his career depends on his resume of unchallenged victories and is hurt by discovery of failures and their reversal. But it is also, I suspect, partly because due to the circumstances of Steven's training and the roles he has filled and their implications for his personality and thinking, Steven's orientation is truly not about attaining justice, but simply about winning contests, about being right, and about not being wrong. 
Switch to us. I won't belabor much more. If there is a dispute over x and y - and Sarah says x would be better for the left project she is part of and Steven says y would be better for that project - if their highest aim is, in fact, the advance of the left project, then they should both want whichever of x and y would in fact be better for the project to be enacted. So they might sensibly argue for what they favor, but if proved wrong they should not be sad at having been wrong, but happy that the truth was found, and move on. That is who we need to be. It is, however, often not who we are. Often we don't really believe much in victory in our left endeavors (which is analogous to justice in the court setting) but instead we only want to "fight the good fight," "look good," and advance our standing by, well, being right, or at least seeming to be right, and certainly not wrong - not least because we don't really think victory (analogous to justice) is possible. We are, too often, more like the District Attorney than we believe.
 
Here are links to diverse points of view hosted on ZNet:

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Re: What Mike A. warned against, to no avail of course ....

By Street, Paul at Aug 27, 2012 16:12 PM

Beyond the utter absurdity of "WW'"s attack coming in comments to an essay on racist police violence in the U.S. in 2012, these sorts of attacks are both cause and effect of the Left's tragic weakness. (Good examples always come with the standard intra-leftist finger-pointing and bloodletting on how to respond to the very narrow choices in the quadrenniel U.S. electoral spectacle ---- with different parts of the left calling other parts of the left monsters/sell-outs/idiots etc. for responding in a certain way).  Am I really supposed to spend time today writing posts calling out, say, Cornel West, for voicing progressive hopes in connection with Obama's election in 2008, citing specific things he said or wrote that turned out to be wrong?  What for?  To what good end?  Or should i instead welcome professor West's  wonderful shift of position and his remarkable and courageous rhetoric against Obama's corporatism and imperialism since at least last year (if not before) and respond to him with brotherly solidarity?  The latter course of action is far preferable. I love where brother West has gone. I welcome in progressives who have decided to join the full on left critique of the current administration. That's the way to go if we are serious about solidarity around shared and common values in opposition to the combined and interrelated dictatorships of money, empire, white supremacism, patriarchy, and eco-cide etc.. This obsessive, frozen, holier-than-thou, paranoid style Spartacist Youth League-style fixation with the insufficient radicalism of what a fellow leftist said or wrote in the near or distant past is dysfunctional. It reflects a certain degree of mental illness on the left --- an underestimated issue by my observation. 

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Re: Re: What Mike A. warned against, to no avail of course ....

By Wesley, William at Aug 27, 2012 17:47 PM

Paul,
 
Who is mentally ill?  You "opposed" the war in your March 26 article, but on March 29 you argue the war was about preventing a massacre and could "have a positive humanitarian impact in one instance".  While I would never call you "mentally ill", your argument seems more bi-polar than mine.  

Frozen in time?  Holier than thou?  The idea that your and anyone's articles should go down Orwell's memory hole after just 17 months (or the idea that the massacres of blacks in Libya is irrelevant to that in the US) is similar in credibility to your argument re preventing a massacre.

I'm not concerned with insufficient radicalism, but I am concerned with claims that this or that western war may have a "humanitarian" impact without overwhelming commensurate evidence, especially when such claims invariably cause unimaginable suffering.  Luckily, this concern will probably not become a mental illness until you personally write the next Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, but hopefully this does not happen soon.

Sincerely,

William

   










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Re: Re: Re: What Mike A. warned against, to no avail of course ....

By Wesley, William at Aug 27, 2012 17:54 PM

And you're the one hurling personal insults that are well documented above, so perhaps you should read Albert's article rather than quoting it.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: What Mike A. warned against, to no avail of course ....

By Street, Paul at Aug 28, 2012 20:08 PM

"William Wesley" my open hostility to you is preferable to the false politeness that surrounds your inappropriately placed attack.  It's honest, after all.  If I'm mentally ill for telling you (basically, yes), to go f*^# yoursef., then so is the whole block in Chicago I grew up on. So be it.  If you come into my neighborhood talking slander  (not to mention  direspecting people whove been killed by the cops), then don't be mystified when you;ve got to run off to the NHS to get your nose stitched up. On a less "personal" note, there's  the "opportunity cost" of (a) sitting around and going online to attack a fellow leftist for not responding the way you would have liked  to an imperial assault in March of 2011 instead of (b) working to build resistance to the social order that gives rise to imperial structures, policies, practices,  and doctrines in the first place.  You would likely claim to be engaged in the later activity (b) but the fact is that you have now already spent an inordinate amount of time  subtracting from left solidarity. A poor choice. The irony is that we probably have few if any differences on the nature of the U.S. war on Libya. I know from abundant experience with your online ilk that narcissistic rage mandates you having the last word --- the dispute will fester indefinitely until I stop responding.  On that note, knock yourself out and say "Sincerely, William" for the last time.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Mike A. warned against, to no avail of course ....

By Wesley, William at Aug 29, 2012 09:25 AM

Paul,
 
Slander?  Slander is saying false things, but in this case you actually claimed in relation to the Libyan war that western intervention could have a “positive” impact and that the war was about “preventing” a massacre.  Hence, no slander.  
 
You asked for an apology.  I asked for proof of said claims.  In response, you’ve gone ballistic and become the sad example of the dissenter enraged by dissent.  Pointing out the black massacre in Libya does not detract from the same in Chicago and elsewhere.
 
You say I’m hurting left solidarity, but solidarity falls apart on its own when it becomes subservience to fashionable but demonstrably false arguments that further massacres in the name of preventing them and further imperialism in the name of fighting it.  
 
If your response to me is “fuck you”, that’s fine.  It says more about you than me.
 
Very sincerely,
 
William

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