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I have yet to see my nearest large occupation, Boston, or the precursor of all U.S. occupations, Wall Street. Instead, I have been on the road for the past six weeks in Thesselonika and Athens Greece; Istanbul and Diyarbikar Turkey; Lexington, Kentucky; London, England; Dublin, Ireland; and in Barcelona, Madrid, and Valencia Spain. 

 

In all these places, I talked with diverse individuals at many meetings and popular assemblies. I met people involved in occupations, as well as audiences assembled by my hosts to hear about participatory economics. Beyond addressing assigned topics, my own priority was to learn about local movements. I repeatedly asked what folks struggling for many months wished to say to other folks first embarking on similar paths. 

 

 

Boredom, Disempowerment, and Consensus Obstruct Growth

 

In Greece and Spain, a single message predominated. It had nothing to do with analyses of capitalism or other analytic focuses. Instead, Greek and Spanish activists reported that they had massive assemblies in widespread cities and their occupations grew, grew, grew, so that assemblies were up to 12,000, 15,000 - and then they shrunk, shrunk, shrunk, so that assemblies are now not meeting, or are meeting in the hundreds, or less. 

 

Yet I heard, time after time, that nothing had diminished regarding the population’s rejection of unfolding injustices. The people remain fed up in huge numbers and still turn out massively for demonstrations, marches, and strikes. So why were most people who were rallying and marching no longer assembling? The reply I heard at every stop was that the decline of the assemblies wasn’t due to repression, or to people being co-opted, or to people being tricked or saddened by media distortion or dismissal. In fact, the assemblies shrinking wasn’t due to anything anyone else did to the assemblies, or said about them, or didn’t do to them, or didn’t say about them, activists repeatedly reported. Instead, they told me, the problem emanated from within.

 

For example, Greek and Spanish activists said that at assemblies initially people spoke with incredible passion of their plights and desires. Their voices often broke. Their hands shook. Each time someone rose to speak, something real, passionate, and persistent happened. It was enchanting and exciting. People were learning not only new facts and interpretations - and, indeed, that kind of learning was relatively modest - they were also learning new confidence and new modes of engaging with others. But after days and then weeks, the flavor of the talks shifted. From being new folks speaking passionately and recounting their reasons for being present and their hopes for their future by delivering deeply felt and quite unique stories, the speakers shifted toward being more seasoned or habituated folks, who lectured attendees with prepackaged views. The lines of speakers became overwhelmingly male. Their deliveries became overwhelmingly rehearsed. Listening to robotic repetition and frequent predictable and almost text-like ranting got boring and alienating. Sometimes it was even demeaning. 

 

At the same time, new people, who were still far more prevalent, didn’t know what to do while they were occupying. We could assemble, they reported. We could talk and engage with each other. We could listen to others and sometimes debate a bit - the Greek and Spanish Assemblers reported - but, how long could we do that and feel it was worth the time we had to spend away from our families, friends, and jobs, not to mention from rooms with a roof?

 

As they first formed, the assemblies were invigorating and uplifting. We were creating a new community, I was told. We were making new friends. We were hearing from new people. We were enjoying an environment where dissent was the norm. But as days passed, and then weeks, it got too familiar. And it wasn’t obvious to folks what more they could do. There weren’t tasks to undertake. We weren’t being born anymore, we were dying. It was hard. For many it was impossible to keep learning and keep contributing. There was a will, but there was not a way. Folks didn’t have meaningful things to do that made them feel part of a worthy project. We felt, in time, only part of a mass of people. 

 

After a time, many asked, why should I stay and listen to boring talks? Why should I be hugely uncomfortable and cut off from family and work, if I have nothing to do that is constructive, nothing that is empowering, nothing that furthers worthy aims? And so people started to attend less, and then to leave.

 

Another factor that was initially exciting but later became tedious, was seeking consensus. At first it was novel. It implied trust, which felt good. It implied shared intentions, which felt inspiring. But after awhile, seeking consensus became tortured, a time waster, and its reason for being the only decision making approach became steadily less compelling. 

 

Why can’t we arrive at decisions which some people do not like and don’t even want to participate in? Why can’t we arrive at decisions, and have a strong minority that dissents, and then respect that minority, and even have it pursue other possibilities to see their worth? Why do we allow some small group to cause discussions to continue without end, turning off many from relating when the small group has no legitimate claim to greater influence than anyone else - save that our mode of decision making gives them a veto? 

 

Folks recounted all these dynamics very graphically and movingly. No one said that people stopped participating in assemblies because of fear or the cops or depression over the newspapers. No one said people left because they had developed doubts about protest or resistance, much less about the condition of society. Instead, everyone I spoke with, and it was a lot of very committed people, told me participants left due to lacking good reasons to stay. The bottom line was that the assemblies got tedious and, ironically, even disempowering. Folks wondered, why must I be here every day and every night? The thought nagged. It led to legions moving on.

 

 

Making the Very Good Even Better

 

What is the solution, I asked, in each new city, and we discussed possible answers. 

 

Occupy but better yet, self manage, I was told. The former option is basically passive - the latter is active and yields tasks and opportunities to contribute. 

 

Grow in numbers and awareness, but those who become well learned must stay in touch with new people, and always remember that new people’s involvement matters most. Otherwise old timers are getting more knowledgeable but also more aloof, and new people will not stay.

 

Why not have classes for learning? Why not have activities for creating? Why not have actions for winning changes? Always speak to the new people. Always speak from experience, from events, not from preconceived lines. Always involve yourself and new people in tangible and worthy activity. Make the options evident and easy to become involved with.

 

Of course some things can’t be solved at occupations themselves. Sleeping out is a young person’s passion - but not an option for everyone. In Dublin, this was particularly evident. So, while sleeping in an occupied space makes sense for some young or homeless folks, why not proactively take for granted that many other folks, particularly with families, will not and cannot sleep under the stars? Why not have a program of activities that returns people to their home locales for organizing purposes each night, or even for all but the explicit time of assembly meetings, perhaps?

 

Ideas that resonated in the many discussions, and that activists involved felt needed preponderant support, included: once an occupation has a lot of people, have subgroups initiate other occupations in more places, all federated together and providing one another mutual aid. In the most local, neighborhood occupations, visit every home. Talk with every resident. Involve as many neighbors as possible. Determine real felt needs. If what is most upsetting neighbors is housing concerns, daycare issues, traffic patterns, mutual aid, loneliness, whatever, try to act to address the problems. 

 

Have occupations self manage and create innovations artistically, socially, and politically. Have occupations occupy indoors, not just outside. It is a leap, perhaps, but not much of one. In Barcelona and Madrid - some have tentatively begun occupying abandoned apartments and other buildings, preparatory, I believe, to inviting the homeless to dwell in them, as well as to using them for meetings and the like. In Valencia I was at a very fledgling university occupation, begun, indeed, after a talk. But to occupy buildings, especially institutions like universities or media, isn’t just a matter of call it, or tweet it, and they will come. It is a matter of go get them, inform them, inspire them, enlist them, empower them, and they will come.

 

In Greece and Spain, and to an extent the other venues I visited too, violence was another focus. All who I talked with agreed it was a suicidal approach on two counts. First, violence is the state’s main strength. Shifting the terms of conflict toward violence shifts it precisely where the state and elites want it - toward their strength. Second, violence distorts the project. It makes it inaccessible for many. It makes bystanders critical. It diminishes outreach, and outreach is the basis of all gains. 

 

I have been to Greece a number of times, and in earlier trips this view was quite weak among young Greeks, who were more typically ready and eager to rumble. But now the non violence stance has growing traction in Greece. In Spain, from the start, it was predominant and Spanish activists have successfully avoided giving the state an excuse for violence, thus causing every act of violence by the state to reverberate to its disadvantage.

 

Forget about violence and rioting, develop campaigns emanating from occupations, which means, said activists in Spain, developing demands to fight for. Indeed, over and over activists involved asked about demands that could unite constituencies and which could be fought for in creative and participatory ways so that victories were possible which would really matter to people’s lives and enthusiasm and spur further struggle. They felt that while the open ended character of dissent worked fantastically initially, and was warranted while waiting for enough outreach so demands would represent a real constituency’s views, not just those of a few leaders, over time, one needs focus. 

 

Some suggestions for demands that arose were welcome. Others less so. For example, everyone liked demanding big cuts in military spending and reinstatement and enlargement of funds for social programs. But what folks really liked was when that demand was explored and enlarged to include transforming the purposes of military bases that would otherwise be shrunk or closed due to budget cutting to instead stay open and do worthy public works such as building low income housing, first for base residents who would need and appreciate it, and then for the homeless.

 

And regarding the homeless, a demand that hit home was freezing foreclosures, returning homes, distributing vacant homes, housing the homeless - including the idea of enacting occupations to undertake these results directly, a process that has begun in Barcelona and Madrid which also have robust movements to block foreclosures.

 

Another approach that seemed to gather considerable support was to demand full employment. But that wasn’t all. Recognizing the lack of current demand for produced goods people realized a sensible full employment demand would require also reducing the work week by 10 - 25 percent, depending on the country's unemployment rate. Of course if most people saw their incomes decline by a corresponding amount, they would face catastrophe, and thus the reduced hours demand has to be combined with a demand that most people would incur no loss of income. (Living wage policies and redistributionist progressive taxation would also be part of the mix.) Full employment additionally strengthens working people because when they all have jobs, the threat of being fired declines to near irrelevance. Winning this demand also means workers enjoy more leisure and higher hourly wages for those in need. Additional costs would have to be born by owners, and if they don’t agree, that’s fine - workers might want to occupy those factories, and then move to self manage them.

 

Another popular notion was going after media. One option that resonated as a possible campaign goal, even while obviously falling short of total transformation, (though certainly on the way toward it), was demanding one or more new sections of mainstream newspapers, or shows, or whatever which would be devoted to, for example, labor dissent, or feminism, or peace, or ecology, and so on. Crucially, these would not be managed in the usual corporate fashion, but, instead, via self management of their participants under the umbrella of major labor, women’s, peace, or ecology organizations, for example.  

 

In these exchanges, activists were imagining a worldwide campaign against mainstream media, against military spending, for low income quality housing, and for full employment including accompanying income redistribution and increased leisure. They envisioned these campaigns unifying protest into resistance and then unifying resistance into creative self management, even as each occupation also related to its own local concerns. 

 

 

Self Managements!

 

Occupations - or what might come to be known, in time, as self managements - would occur in local neighborhoods and federate up to cities and beyond, but also at the entrances to, and perhaps even inside, mainstream media, and at military recruiting stations and bases, at government ministries and branches, and finally, one can envision, even at factories and other workplaces. And in such endeavors not everyone would have to sleep outdoors but everyone would have to give some of their time, resources, insight, and energy to aid one or another campaign of the overall project. 

 

The revolution, so to speak, is not immediately at hand. In my youth we bellowed - “We want the world and we want it now!” It was fine as a rousing chant. But we need to also understand that it takes time, it takes sustained effort, traversing not weeks or months, but years. 

 

Indeed, even with the incredible speed and ingenuity of current outbreaks of activism, there are undeniably pessimistic scenarios in which occupations wind down and then demos happen for a time but manage to win only minor if any gains until movement morbidity sets in. This is what the Greeks and Spaniards are trying to avoid. It is why they are beginning new kinds of occupations aimed at media, housing, universities, and at the transformation of budgets, and soon, perhaps at hiring and firing. Projects that are designed to enhance and widen participation in ways leading to massive involvement of masses of people - all knowing what they want and how they can contribute to attaining it.

 

There are, however, also optimistic scenarios in which occupations diversify and morph into self managing projects radiating out campaigns for change while also welcoming into sustained participation countless actors of all ages and orientations. In this picture, daily marches to support other campaigns in a city - like in New York currently - with growth in numbers and confidence, leads to empty buildings becoming residences and meeting places, to mainstream media businesses becoming targets for occupation, and likewise for universities, and other workplaces of all kinds. Simultaneously, local neighborhoods generate their own assemblies, again, like in New York, initiated by the residents who had been schooled in the earlier, larger, city-wide endeavors, and then local participants patiently and empathetically enter every house, every kitchen and living room, and elicit desires, and, in time, participation. 

 

 

Paths Forward

 

Envisioning all this and much more, once people’s ambition is unleashed from the shackles of daily pessimism, was not hard for folks I talked with. The optimistic path is a scenario involving planting the seeds of the future in the present. It is a scenario that marshals energy and insights to building alternatives, but also winning gains now all fought for and implemented in ways that build desires and organization aimed at winning still more gains in the future. 

 

We need a sense of proportion and pacing. The occupations now underway still involve only a small fraction, indeed a tiny fraction, of the people in pain and angry about it. To grow, the occupations need to very explicitly conceive themselves in ways that address immediate needs, are aimed at viable and worthy long term goals, and develop modes of participation that cause normal folks, enduring normal harsh conditions, to feel that giving their time makes good sense because it can eventually lead to a new social system with vastly better outcomes than those presently endured. Occupations that began in response to economic insanity need, as well, to broaden and adopt a more encompassing focus taking into account not only the economy, but also, and equally, matters of race, gender, age, ability, ecology, and war and peace. This is what makes a movement a threatening project able to induce capitulation from authorities afraid to make it grow even larger. It is what makes a movement worthy of winning, as well.

 

We need not only patience in the face of a long struggle, but also a sense of optimism and desire. The occupations are a start, a veritable firestorm of initiation, and they already have vastly wider support than their direct participation evidences. There is a possibility lurking in these events that is awesome in its potential implications. We should all be patient and keep our heads, yet we should all also realize that this may be a very special time, especially for young people, during which it is possible to make an indelible, enduring, and incredibly desirable mark on history. 

  

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Marginalia?

By Silvy, Claudia at Oct 26, 2011 01:21 AM

Perhaps language may be surprisingly cruel when dealing with people on the street. I don't know why Michael Albert has not noticed at least two fundamental issues:
(1) The fact that Spain's INDIGNADOS is now a democratic alternative for the next elections in Spain this comming November. This new "political front", IZQUIERDA ANTICAPITALISTA, is leaded by Miguel Urbán and Esther Vivas and is the result of those endless day-after-day discussions at Plaza del Sol (Madrid) and Barcelona in spite of the constant and sometimes brutal police aggression . As it is underlined in its name, this political alternative is both a clear ANTI CAPITALIST front and a political LEFT according to our common parlance. Izquierda Anticapitaolista has a clear program available for everybody to reat at http://www.anticapitalistas.org  . This is what NOBODY both in the main stream media and in the so called progressive sites want to talk about or, worst, dare to mention. It seems like all agree that the so-called Arab Spring is the source of today's protests. Not so fast--Spain, Greece and Italy (go to Beppe Grillo's web page www.beppgrillo.it) have been reacting furiously against the lack of representation WITHIN a system that theoretically provides this possibility. North African countries has no alternative at all but the streets or a violent revolution. And as of today, this movement seems to have been hijacked by the same powers and interest that are ruining our democratic system. I just wonder if this silence about IZQUIERDA ANTICAPITALISTA and the confusion about today's world discontent is just a language barrier. We need to talk with the people on the street, especially when they don't speak English.
(b) The fact that in Athens and Thessaloniki there are PLENTY of slogans and banners that speak AGAINST capitalism. Just take any picture, any video available out there, you will read it clear: K?τω με τον καπιταλισμ?!! Ο καπιταλισμ?ς ε?ναι μια αποτυχ?α!! Σφ?λμα 404 - δημοκρατ?α δεν βρ?θηκε.  Translated: Down with capitalism! Capitalism is a failure! Error 404: democracy not found! That said, I simply wonder whether it is so difficult to notice what is just out there on the streets. These are clear voices AGAINST capitalism as it is today.
Claudia M. Silvy
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By Marty, David at Oct 26, 2011 22:49 PM

Dear Claudia,

I have just read your response and I must say I am a bit perplex.

Firstly, I wonder where you have gotten the idea that the Izquierda Anticapitalista was ever a representent of the 15-M movement. I don't recall it ever being chosen to represent the assemblies or Democracia Real Ya. I don’t ever recall anyone from the party telling me they were.

Secondly, I have been looking at their webpage and they do have a program that gathers the same proposals that came out of the assemblies. However, I do not see how that constitutes a long term vision in the sense implied in this article. In fact, I have been wondering for some while what it is that the anti capitalist party wants. We know it doesn't want  capitalism. But it doesn't give any indication of what it is it wants instead. I should also add that presenting the proposals from an assembly movement where only hundreds of people participate in any meaningful way is self delusional. The movement is still capable of mobilizing the people on certain given occasions, but the daily working of the assemblies is only attended by a few hundreds and they are always the same people. Those who attended at the beginning have left and they all tell the same story: they either felt intimidated by ideologues or they were simply felt bored and purposeless. That does not mean they are any less angry, though.

We must admit we have failed to organize an assembly movement that makes people stay, that empowers them and that gives them something to do. Not admitting that is just pure ideological blindness.

Thirdly, I should say that the Anti Capitalist Left in Spain has very little chance, considering these circumstances, to ever get even one sit at the Parliament. There is no money in the campaign, no one knows their program and those of us who are sensible to their arguments still don't know what they are for. I don’t take any pleasure nor any pride in leading a fight if I don’t think I can win. Nor should anyone.

Let me finish by making one thing clear: I like the people in this AC party, I think these are honest people and I do not wish to offend anybody here. I just think your remarks miss the points made in the article and that your assessment of the situation here in Spain is quite distorted in my view.

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Not just ideology

By Silvy, Claudia at Oct 27, 2011 05:43 AM

Nice to find somebody who check what’s behind curtains. Perhaps my writing in Greek never showed appropriately.
Anyway. As somebody who writes regularly (and who either has been in Madrid, according to your videos posted on vimeo), you may have noticed that whatever the name we want to call the indignados, it is basically a multilayered movement. After massive demonstrations, some have given up, stating that a long term solution requires a lot ahead. Others have decided to challenge this unrepresentative government, especially this two party system (several timed denounced by Llamazares) by changing the rules from within; others, are still in process of deciding what to do. In any case, both Democracia Real Ya and IA-- to name just two-- has been there participating in the discussions: some at Puerta El Sol or Plaça Catalunya (especially), and others locally outside the camping arena. Now, what is important to understand is not the fact that such and such group are representing the initially 15M. There is no possibility at all for this heterogeneous group, specially at this stage, to come with one face (if you understand Spanish, go to  http://www.latuerka.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=56to wath some videos about this). It has several interests, one of which is an electoral alternative: IA. That’s my point. My comment does not endorse it at all, and does not deny other groups. It simply states that what comes from the streets is clearly a rejection of capitalism as it is today (this is, by the way, a complex discussion that goes beyond my remarks). In Spain, Italy and Greece.  It is, therefore, a common feeling of being unrepresented, and living in a so called democracy clearly undermined by corporate lobbies and traditional parties that are subservient of the dictatorship of EU, IMF or other non-elected . What is visible on the streets is an ANTI CAPITALIST attitude, like it or not. From being and ‘indignado’ it is a chance to create indignation among those who hold the power now.
Finally, I’m more than perplexed by your remarks that “I don’t take any pleasure nor any pride in leading a fight if I don’t think I can win. Nor should anyone.” That’s what the power above your head wants you to believe. It will depend on what you mean by “to win” and what your expectations are at this stage. For me, and many others, it will be a great success just to stop this alliance PSOE-PP from dictating Spain’s policies. That must be done in the parliament not just on the streets.  A short history about what happened in Chile with the movement of penguins (La marcha de los Pingüinos) and what is happening today with Chilean Indignados may well illustrate the difference between “estar indignado” (being outraged) and create indignation. Chilean student and activist Camila Vallejo clearly challenges the neo-liberal premises everybody assume a democracy should be: a decision making at one level (politicians), and popular interest on the other. I suggest the book  En el nombre del poder popular constituyenteby Gabriel Salazar about this issue. By the way—IA has a clear agenda. Just read carefully what is within their website.
Claudia

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Re: Not just ideology

By Marty, David at Nov 02, 2011 12:53 PM

Hi again!

Sorry I am replying so late ;)

You say:

“(...) and who either has been in Madrid (...)”

- Yes, I do live in Madrid, in Lavapiés actually. I would be glad to meet you if you are ever in town ;)

“(...) you may have noticed that whatever the name we want to call the indignados, it is basically a multilayered movement.”

Agreed.

“(...) After massive demonstrations, some have given up, stating that a long term solution requires a lot ahead”

I want to talk about those who have given up, it can not be presented as just a given fact. It is hugely important to know why it is so. it isn’t just “some”, it is 98% of them! (and that is a conservative estimate)

“(...) Now, what is important to understand is not the fact that such and such group are representing the initially 15M. There is no possibility at all for this heterogeneous group, specially at this stage, to come with one face”

I agree. But then it means I have interpreted your initial comment the wrong way.

“(...) What is visible on the streets is an ANTI CAPITALIST attitude, like it or not”

I would like it if it were entirely true. The truth is that most of who people on the left - who are politized and who spend a substantial amount of time torturing ourselves with literature about what is wrong with capitalism - take for granted that everyone else who took the streets share the same understanding.
On the one hand, the fact that we are not aware of this disparity, between the new people and the political ones, makes the former scare away the latter. We scare them with discourses that are filled with anti capitalist premisses. Premisses that might be appropriate for some Left forum but not in this context. Those who came out in hope of being part of something new that gave them hope about politics for the first time ended up leaving, feeling that the ‘politicos’ had ruined it for them. And the point is that there were PLENTY of them.  
 On the other hand, and this is crucial, I see that a subtantial amount of people who share the same anti capitalist premisses are more afraid of what they would get instead of capitalism. And why shouldn’t they? I mean, what do we offer them??? Freaking nothing! More boring talks written by boring people about capitalism, analysing the B-jesus out of it, conceptualizing to the pulp what is wrong with it! People are not stupid nor unaware of the radical leftist discourse - contrary to what we think on the left. They know what we talk about and they know our discourse. They just aren’t impressed with it anymore. Should we blame them? For example, here comes a political party that calls itself Anticapitalist, proclaiming outloud what it is against. People know what it is they are ANTI to because they can read the banner and they understand what you tell them. However, you are not telling them, and they are not hearing, what it is you are FOR!
That was what I critized in my reply. Otherwise I completely agree with you on almost everything else (except for this next thing, I’m afraid).

“From being and ‘indignado’ it is a chance to create indignation among those who hold the power now.”

I think that here you are seriously mistaken. There is no way you can speak to power, for the very simple reason that power already knows. In fact, the rich and powerful are probably the most class conscious people in the world, and that is a valid assertion for the entire course of history too. You can not create indignation among those who hold power, you can only force them to do something you want. This means you can only force them to do X if they are left with no alternative than to do X or lose even more of their privileges.
Even if we didn’t have any examples in history - and there are plenty - the mere example of the recent retreat by the NYC mayor and governor and their police should enlighten us about where the issue is. It is sort of like that Greek mythology story where there is this beast who grows two heads for each one she looses. If power knows that if they send the police (like they tried in NYC) the size of the crowd doubles, then they comply (and they do so  by pretending that they lllllove democracy so much that they can’t get enough of it, of course). Our job is to make it possible that people stay, creating a movement that lasts and turns this dead end alternative into something permanent. That is the only thing short of revolutionizing our institutions that we can do.
Of course, I am not claiming it is easy, I am just saying that those are the right questions. Not trying to instill indignation among politicians or corporate elites.

“(...) I’m more than perplexed by your remarks that “I don’t take any pleasure nor any pride in leading a fight if I don’t think I can win. Nor should anyone.” That’s what the power above your head wants you to believe”

Just because power wants me to believe that does not mean it is sometimes true, at least in this particular case.
What I mean is that if we go in the political arena and try to beat them on votes, we are delufing ourselves. There is not enough support nor money in the campaign to win. Political campaigns need money and people on the left still have a big problem with that. As the economist David Colander wrote once: IANAAFL which stands for It Ain’t Nothing As A Free Lunch, meaning eevrything has a price, even the good things. But we think we can win the elections because we are right? Then we should have won a long time ago.
Now, at this point you might want to say: “but at least we can try”. And morally speaking it is very laudable to think that way, I can tell you’re a very decent person, no doubt about that. However, this remark - were you to address it to me - ignores one crucial fact: if we divert votes and spread them too thinly, we will give an easy victory for the PP. You may think whatever you want of the PSOE, the center-left party, but you can’t deny that the PP is far worse than the PSOE. Yesterday they finally published on their webpage their program. It will be a disaster if they win. I despise the PSOE too, but you can’t deny that the difference that exists between those 2 will be the PRICE we will pay. “It ain’t nothing as a free lunch.”
If we had a real chance to win, or if there was a 2 round election like in France, then you would be right. But as of now, I think that going in the political arena is a mistake.
When I say that “I don’t take any pleasure nor any pride in leading a fight if I don’t think I can win. Nor should anyone.”, what I mean is that if we are ok with not winning then our entire mentality, our program, our strategies will be affected. If you think you are not going to win, first of all maybe you have good reasons to think that. And if you have good reasons to think that then maybe you will try to see what can work, ask the right questions, adapt strategy, etc. But if you adopt this mentality of “leading the good fight”, of going out on the killing fields with a clear conscience because you know you’re right, then at most what you do will be relevant to whomever will read your memoirs when your 85 years old. But it will not be relevant for the present time. I want to win social change which is why I want to do things strategically right. This does not mean that I am going to sell my soul to the devil, it only means that I accept that if propects are not good I ought to make sure I am not doing anything wrong in the first place
 
 
“That must be done in the parliament not just on the streets.  A short history about what happened in Chile with the movement of penguins (La marcha de los Pingüinos) and what is happening today with Chilean Indignados may well illustrate the difference between “estar indignado” (being outraged) and create indignation. Chilean student and activist Camila Vallejo clearly challenges the neo-liberal premises everybody assume a democracy should be: a decision making at one level (politicians), and popular interest on the other. “

Wonderful, indeed.

“I suggest the book  En el nombre del poder popular constituyenteby Gabriel Salazar about this issue. “

I will follow your suggestion, thanks.

“By the way—IA has a clear agenda. Just read carefully what is within their website.”

Let me my own reply: “(...) I have been looking at their webpage and they do have a program that gathers the same proposals that came out of the assemblies. However, I do not see how that constitutes a long term vision in the sense implied in this article.”
So, as I said in my reply and again here above, my criticism is not the lack of proposals - although quite sincerely it is freaking hard to find it on your webpage, I had to spend 15 minutes to be able to find the program - there are proposals and I acknowledge that. My criticism was regarding the lack of “vision”, that is long-term proposals. I am not saying that every party ought to have such s “vision”, I am saying that for a party that calls itself Anticapitalist that should be almost evident that such proposal should appear.

Having said all of that I would be glad to meet you in person if you ever find yourself in Madrid. My personal email address is davidmarty@hotmail.com
 

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concrete and effective tasks

By Escobar, Pumpkin at Oct 25, 2011 23:28 PM

I have refrained from joining my local occupation.  If they brought attention to strikes and boycotts I wouldn't hesitate.  There also needs to be a focus on showing solidarity and participation without having to camp out every night because this just isn't possible for most people (I think a fraternal organization could contribute to this).  I feel awkward about contributing to analysis, as I feel there already exists so much good analysis, and not enough action.  But i wish i could get this across to the Occupy movement:  as important as they are, disseminating information, marching to show solidarity and demonstrations to bring attention to an issue are not enough.  They must be combined with strikes, boycotts, outreach, fraternity, "self-managements", and more to be lasting, far-reaching, and empowering movements.

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Re: concrete and effective tasks

By Gabrenya, Matt at Oct 27, 2011 08:25 AM

Masood, please consider getting involved with your local occupation. It is exactly voices like yours that need to be present and vocal in the movement. It started so recently, and is so new for the US, I think its really important that more experienced folks be active in helping shape the movement.

I'm young, inexperianced, and eager to listen. I have ideas of my own, but I want to learn from folks who have fought and won or lost and learned form it.

Thank you Michael for a very helpful article. I am going to spread it to occupy boston.

best,
Matt

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thanks for the article

By Grinder, Matt at Oct 25, 2011 18:16 PM

Thanks very much for this article Michael.   It articulates some things that I have been worried about and trying to communicate to the Occupy movement nearest me, particularly the use (or misuse) of consensus, and my worry that the movement will peter out with nothing to do.  This gives empirical weight to my beliefs and shows me things I haven't been thinking of.  Much appreciated.

As a way forward, and to give peopel something to do that might lead to gains, I would like to suggest again (to anyone who reads this)  that one way forward might be to start a political party for participatory democracy (call it the participatory democracy party or PDP)  controlled by nested councils, as Shalom lines out in his parpolity system.  If the party policy is controlled by nested councils, then it is participatory, and attractive to many people.  Further, any candidate the party runs for election should sign a legal contract, such that, if they get elected, and the party votes that they have "no confidence" in the candiate (she or he has betrayed the nested councils) they must resign their elected position.  The candidate for election is a puppet of the nested councils, must do what the councils say and vote as they say.

Where I live, I think the groundwork for such a party could be done by a few people able to do the administration required by elections Canada.  It's hard to find people interssted though...

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