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On Torture and American Values

By David Peterson at Jan 28, 2006


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   Okay. Everybody listen up. Now. Repeat after your
   Commander-in-Chief, and be sure to get it right.
   "[T]
his government does not torture people. You
   know, we stick to U.S. law and our international
   obligations."  "
The policy of the United States is not to torture.  The President has not authorized it.  He will not authorize it."  "I will reiterate to you once again that we do not torture. We want to make sure that we keep this country safe." "[L]et's back up and be very clear. You've heard Dana Perino say it today. You heard the president say it numerous times -- the United States does not torture."  "We do not torture. And the fact is no matter how we treat detainees, Al Qaeda, when they capture our soldiers in uniform, will still torture and behead them.  How we treat detainees is not going to affect that." 

So: George Bush doesn't do torture.  His Press Secretary Dana Perino doesn't, either.  Nor does Homeland Security Adviser Frances Townsend.  In fact, nobody employed by or acting on behalf of the U.S. Government does torture.  And this extends up-and-down the chain-of-command.  Including all the way to the corporate mercenaries like Blackwater, Kellogg-Brown and Root, Military Professional Resources Incorporated, and the rest of them.  No one ever did torture.  No one ever will do torture.  No one ever even heard of torture.  Like wars of aggression, terrorism, rape and plunder, torture is something that other states and non-state actors do.  Official enemies in particular.  By definition, they do torture. (Also plunder and pillage.  Commit systematic rape.  Terrorism.  Build weapons of mass destruction.  Wage wars of aggression.  Crimes against humanity. Genocide.)

At what point does the laughability of the Washington regime -- over and above its sheer criminality -- and of every article of faith that sustains it burst through the defenses of the American Mind, like the proverbial light bulb illuminating its otherwise darkened recesses?   

In its lead editorial today, Sunday, October 7, after recounting its report from four days ago showing that, all of their denials to the contrary, the Washington regime never once stopped endorsing the "harshest interrogation techniques ever used by the Central Intelligence Agency" ("Secret US Endorsement of Severe Interrogations," Scott Shane et al., October 4), the New York Times asked: "Is this really who we are?"

A good question. 

Still.  Another question comes to mind: How to go about answering the first question?  The Times's opening paragraph hardly inspires confidence ("On Torture and American Values," October 7):

Once upon a time, it was the United States that urged all nations to obey the letter and the spirit of international treaties and protect human rights and liberties. American leaders denounced secret prisons where people were held without charges, tortured and killed. And the people in much of the world, if not their governments, respected the United States for its values.

Inside the really reality-based community -- the Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and who knows how many others -- The Times's opening paragraph must come as quite a disappointment.  For example, when the U.S. Senate finally ratified the  Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment in 1994, some ten years after the Convention was first negotiated, the regime then occupying the White House wrote to the United Nations' Secretary-General, informing him that "nothing in this Convention requires or authorizes legislation, or other action, by the United States of America prohibited by the Constitution of the United States as interpreted by the United States" (June 3, 1994) -- a signing statement if ever there were one, unambiguously declaring that the U.S. Government had rejected both the letter and the spirit of the Convention, thereby tearing the Convention to shreds. 

But this was inside the really reality-based community, don't forget.  Which is light-years from the once-upon-a-time community.  The Washington-regime community.  And assorted other communities committed to the counterfactual.

"Secret US Endorsement of Severe Interrogations," Scott Shane et al., New York Times, October 4, 2007 (as posted to Truthout)

"Press Briefing by Dana Perino," White House Office of the Press Secretary, October 4, 2007
"President Bush Discusses the Economy and Protecting Americans from Terrorism,"  White House Office of the Press Secretary, October 5, 2007

"US does not use torture: Bush," Agence France Presse, October 5, 2007
"Bush defends treatment of terrorism suspects, says US 'does not torture'," Jennifer Loven, Associated Press, October 5, 2007 
"Of freedom and fascism in America," John Lyons, The Australian, October 5, 2007
"Gonzales 'approved' US torture memo," Demetri Sevastopulo and Andrew Ward, Financial Times, October 5, 2007 
"Bush aide has denial down pat," Sheldon Alberts, National Post, October 5, 2007
"Debate Erupts On Techniques Used by C.I.A.," David Johnson and Scott Shane, New York Times - IHT, October 5, 2007
"Congress Seeks Secret Memos On Interrogation," Dan Eggen and Michael Abramowitz, W
ashington Post, October 5, 2007  
"Bush Defends Interrogations, Saying Methods Aren't Torture," Sheryl Gay Stolberg, New York Times, October 6, 2007
"Bush Defends Interrogations," Michael Abramowitz and Joby Warrick, Washington Post, October 6, 2007
"Bush denies approving torture," Jon Ward, Washington Times, October 6, 2007  
"On Torture and American Values," Editorial, New York Times, October 7, 2007
"Bush's torturers follow where the Nazis led," Andrew Sullivan, The Times, October 7, 2007
"More Torture Memos," Editorial, Washington Post, October 7, 2007

"The stuff of nightmares," The Economist, October 4, 2007 
"The Constitution In Peril," Christopher Dickey, Newsweek, October 8, 2007 

"The 'Good Germans' Among Us," Frank Rich, New York Times - IHT, October 14, 2007

"Do We Already Have Our Pentagon Papers?" Tom Engelhardt, October 19, 2007

Secret detentions and illegal transfers of detainees involving Council of Europe member states: Second report, Dick Marty et al., Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights, Council of Europe, June 7, 2007

"Cold War II," Noam Chomsky, Z Magazine, October, 2007
"Shifting Targets: The Administration's plan for Iran," Seymour M. Hersh, New Yorker, October 8, 2007

"'...interrogators, in an attempt to rattle suspects, flushed a Qur'an down a toilet...'," ZNet, May 19, 2005
"On Torture and American Values," ZNet, October 7, 2007

Update (October 13): The following gem comes to us from The Daily Show's host Jon Stewart and its senior correspondent, John Oliver, via the labors of Eileen Sutton, whose regular Kafka Files I see have now expanded at least as far as No. 854 -- and counting.  The video link is courtesy of The Daily Show, of course.  But the transcript is courtesy the Kafka Files. -- Don't miss them.  (Though you'll have to wait through a thirty-second advertisement, what follows it is wonderful.)  (Also compare the Commander-in-Chief's July 20, 2007 "Executive Order: Interpretation of the Geneva Conventions Common Article 3 as Applied to a Program of Detention and Interrogation Operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.") 


Daily Show: Oliver - Tortured Logic
John Oliver remembers all the words that have lost their meaning in the War on Terror, like "Progress" and "Victory."

Jon Stewart: How is fake drowning, sleep deprivation, why isn't that torture?
John Oliver: That is not torture.
Jon Stewart: Why?
John Oliver: Because we don't torture.
Jon Stewart: Meaning we don't do those things.
John Oliver: No, meaning if we do do those things, they must not be torture.
Jon Stewart: That's insane.
John Oliver: Well, isn't it great that you can live in a country where you can say things like that. That's really something. That's a great day for America!
Jon Stewart: But John, if it's not torture, what is it?
John Oliver: Enhanced interrogation.
Jon Stewart: So the “prisoners” --
John Oliver: Wait, Jon, the “detainees.”
Jon Stewart: Why aren't they “prisoners”?
John Oliver: You can't torture “prisoners.” That's in the Geneva Convention.
Jon Stewart: But a “detainee”--
John Oliver: That you can do.
Jon Stewart: So waterboarding a “prisoner” --
John Oliver: Torture.
Jon Stewart: But waterboarding a “detainee” --
J
ohn Oliver: That's interrogation.
Jon Stewart: So words, in and of themselves, have no value.
John Oliver: Wow, Jon, I'd have thought you'd at least support our words. Our brave fighting words, who've been serving this country since the war on terror began. Many of them making the ultimate sacrifice, losing their definitions. Words like torture, victory, surge, mission, accomplished…once filled with purpose, now signifying nothing. I know one little word, named progress. Poor bastard. Before the war he meant “forward momentum in large increments.” Now, he doesn't know which way he's going. Poor little noun! And all the while, words like “Jon” and “Stewart” sit at home doing nothing. You know what Jon? That's why I wear this “dictionary” pin. It's my way of paying tribute to all the words we've lost.
Jon Stewart: I don't have a dictionary pin…I didn't know….
John Oliver: (scoffing) You didn't know, you didn't realize. Fine. Once again, we're lucky that you live in a country where you're free not to wear a dictionary lapel pin, you're free to do that, free not to wear it, thus expressing your hatred of America and actively supporting the terrorists. (to the audience) Yes, give Jon Stewart a round of applause for his hard work.
Jon Stewart: Wait, John. What you just said to me is cruel, inane, and in fact childish.
John Oliver: No, it couldn't have been. All three of those words have been called up and are currently serving at the pleasure of the president.

Update (October 14): For a nice commentary published in one of the local Chicago-area newspapers this Sunday:

"Speaking the sad truth," Marlene Lang, Daily Southtown, October 14, 2007

The columnist makes much of a book that I myself have never seen: M. Scott Peck's People of the Lie: Toward a Psychology of Evil (Simon and Schuster, 1992(?)).  

But I certainly can point you to annother recent study of the American government's heavy reliance on torture historically -- and let's not kid ourselves about it, either:

 A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror, Alfred W. McCoy (Metropolitan Books, 2006)

Also to a study scheduled for publication later this year, which I myself haven't seen, though it comes highly recommended by a friend who has:

Torture and Democracy, Darius Rejali (Princeton University Press, 2007 [Forthcoming]) 

As well as direct you to an outstanding website where these topics are discussed with the gravity they deserve -- and in particular, the role of medical and mental-health professionals in the system of coercion as linked to the American state's grand imperial ambitions:

Psyche, Science, and Society (Stephen Soldz)

Soldz's website truly is a spectacular resource. -- Don't miss it.

American history is rich in the means of violence and coercion.  To resort to the hackneyed but nonetheless true expression: Coercion and violence are as American as apple pie.  Even the most extreme forms.  Beyond your wildest imagination. 

So that when former President Jimmy Carter this past week, during his October 10 interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, elaborated on the proposition that "our country, for the first time in [Carter's] lifetime, has abandoned the basic principles of human rights," this, too, must be regarded as a denial of the truth. 

No wonder Carter's words were regarded as so courageous in so many otherwise well-meaning circles. 

These days, cowardice abounds.  That -- and career-advancement within the institutions of violence and coercion. 

Just like in Eichmann's time. 

Excerpted from: Wolf Blitzer Interviews Jimmy Carter, The Situation Room, CNN, 7:00 PM EST, October 10, 2007.   

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: In the book -- the new book, "Beyond the White House," you write this on page 252: "We had assumed in earlier years that our commitments and activities in support of human rights were in harmony with those of our government. And we were able to cooperate with officials in Washington. That is no longer a dependable premise."  That sounds like a swipe at President Bush.
JIMMY CARTER: Well, in a way -- you know, I think the entirety (ph) of global human rights community, with its multiple facets, including those deep inside Pakistan and Israel, B'Tselem and Al-Haq, both would -- all would agree with the fact that our country, for the first time in my lifetime, has abandoned the basic principles of human rights.  We have said that the Geneva Convention does not apply to those people in Abu Ghraib Prison and Guantanamo. And we have said that we can torture prisoners, deprive them of an accusation of the crimes to which they accuse.
BLITZER: President Bush said as recently as this week the United States does not torture detainees.
CARTER: That's not an accurate statement. If you use the international norms of torture as has always been honored, certainly in the last 60 years, since the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was promulgated.  But you can make your own definition of human rights and say, we don't violate them. And we can -- you can make your own definition of torture and say we don't violate it.
BLITZER: But by your definition, you believe the United States, under this administration, has used torture.
CARTER: I don't think it, I know it, certainly.
BLITZER: So is the president lying?
CARTER: The president is self-defining what we have done and authorized in the torture of prisoners, yes.
BLITZER: But that raises a really important question. Those who are engaged in torture, who commit torture, potentially that could be a violation of international or other laws.
CARTER: Yes, I think so.
BLITZER: Has there been a violation of the law from your perspective?
CARTER: If you use the international treaties to which we are committed...
BLITZER: Like the Geneva Conventions...
CARTER: Like the Geneva Conventions, and also...
BLITZER: Because early in the -- they said the Geneva Conventions don't apply to these detainees who were not wearing uniforms. They were not part of any formal army. They were picked up on the battlefield and brought to Guantanamo Bay.
CARTER: My impression is that the United States Supreme Court has said that is a false premise. And I presume that the administration complies with the rulings of the Supreme Court.  And the international community obviously still adheres to and professes to commit themselves the honoring of the Geneva Convention, and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the United States helped draft and promoted and has endorsed up until six-and-a- half years ago unanimously among all the...
(CROSSTALK)
BLITZER: So should someone be held accountable?
CARTER: Well, I think we -- the best way to hold people accountable in this country is through the election process.
BLITZER: That is the best way to get -- in other words, from your perspective, to get rid of the incumbent administration and move on. But you don't want to see any formal charges or a trial...
CARTER: No, I don't think so. I think that would be inappropriate. That has been done in some cases, as you know, but I don't think it is appropriate at all.
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Fisk and Blitzer

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 15, 2007 18:25 PM

Thanks for the recommendation of Fisk's book. It's on my list, but I'm busy reading many other books on the subject of the Middle East at the moment. Will get to it though :) The conversation cited above can serve as a good example of the propaganda regularly spewed by CNN and Blitzer. No attempt whatsoever at taking what Carter says seriously. Blitzer is in defence mode of the "Dear Leader" from the start. Nothing Bush has done is wrong, and nothing he can ever do is wrong. The United States is a rogue state. Period. Pangaea Oslo, Norway

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talk is cheap

By Prole, Prole at Oct 15, 2007 17:58 PM

Carter has morphed into a human rights champion of late belying his record in office of supporting dictators and torturers like Somoza, the Shah, Begin, etc.  Little wonder he should, like most Democrats, be opposed to American presidents (or other elected and unelected officials) being held accountable through trial or formal charges  either domestically - which would never happen anyway - or  formal charges and trial internationally, which likely would happen if we  so permitted.  Carter himself was held accountable through the election process but for his domestic economic peccidillos not his foreign human rights offenses. So how can Bush be held "accountable" through the election process ? Since he'll unlikely ever run again for any elected office, Carter presumably means electing another Democrat. And what have they ever done for human rights or international accountability?    

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Fisk on Torture

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 15, 2007 11:47 AM

Just finished reading...

"The Great War for Civilisation" - Robert Fisk

What can I say, other than if you have any interest whatsoever in the Middle East, then this book is more than worth the time it takes to read (1040 pgs)

In addition to the powerful insight he offers on every page, his descriptions of the tortures used, and interviews with survivors can leave you speechless.

 nuff' said...

Jeffrey Rohde

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Torture and the Americans

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 15, 2007 10:51 AM

Friends:

FYI: A friend of mine who has seen an advanced copy of the following book highly recommends it:

Torture and Democracy, Darius Rejali (Princeton University Press, 2007 [Forthcoming])  

Remember the incremental nature of the stages by which otherwise perfectly average human beings grow accustomed to inflicting -- or merely tolerating in silence -- the most inhumane horrors on others -- horrors from which, one generation before, they would have recoiled.

By this stage in U.S. history, a disturbing percentage of Americans have become habituated to the worst that can be imagined -- particularly among the professional classes and the ostentatiously religious. 

And don't forget to take a good look at this important website:

Psyche, Science, and Society (Stephen Soldz)

In the States, so many have adapted so well that they've learned how to turn a profit from it and to stake out solid careers in the fields of violence and coercion.


David Peterson
Chicago, USA

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More on American Values

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 10, 2007 11:21 AM

Friends:

In a world where (at least) one-out-of-every-two dollars devoted to furthering the means of state violence is spent by the Americans (see SIPRI Yearbook 2007: Armaments, Disarmament and International Security, esp. Ch. 8 -- though I caution you that the 46% world-share that the SIPRI report estimates for U.S. expenditures fails to pick-up a lot of dollars the U.S. deliberately keeps off its "military" account), the authors' use of the subjunctive 'could' clearly needs to be revised -- because it already has happened here.

"It Could Happen Here," Gregory Meyerson and Michael Joseph Roberto, Monthly Review (web exclusive), October, 2007

Why this squeamishness over calling the United States what it is?  As a friend of mine put it to me just yesterday: The preponderance of the evidence suggests that any past experiment with even the weaker forms of something called democracy has been terminated.

How long will it take for the consciousness of people to catch up with the historical facts that surround them?


David Peterson
Chicago, USA

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Bad moment in legal history for the people

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 09, 2007 18:43 PM

There, this look to be final; Bush finally suceeded to legitimizes TORTURE in the US.. As such when any legal challenges will be against the authority of insane fascism, the el- masri legal precedent will be used to nullify claims against the US. Thumbs down GWB, you sucks!

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Rendition is going to have a

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 09, 2007 17:24 PM

Rendition is going to have a major motion picture to its name soon. The wife of the abducted terrorism suspect, Douglas Freeman (decidedly non-Arab actor Jake Gyllenhaal), is named Isabella El-Ibrahim (Reese Witherspoon... not kidding). Just thought to make a note of that. Looks okay, though not as edgy as it should be. Hopefully more than another Hollywood attempt to tear out something in the news and, no matter the weight of it, turn it into entertainment fluff.

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socialist values

By 7kendal, Chewasatyrant at Oct 08, 2007 22:34 PM

In light of David's post title:

 

Communism/socialism attracts people who are untalented and/or lazy. Think about it. The promise of Marxism is that, no matter how untalented or lazy you are, you can earn an average outcome because everyone gets the same thing! People who want to do better than average flock to capitalism. People who think mediocrity is a good outcome – because they are - a) untalented, b) lazy, or c) both – flock to socialism.

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damn it, david, your first

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 08, 2007 22:27 PM

damn it, david, your first report is 72 pages, I am not done yet.. ( I got catch up to do...) its frightenining to come to realization that the US intelligence is trying to legitimate torture.. yet there is almost no outcry!

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Operation Condor

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 08, 2007 16:44 PM

http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/condor.htm

This did not spring up like a mushroom in the last few years......What is new is the effort to sell the necessity of this kind of behavior to the American Public with shows like 24 and all the other BS you see on TV if you are ill-advised enough to actually watch. I saw 24 almost 3 years ago when visiting my son. They had just gotten the boxed set of the second season (imagine, actually paying for such trash!), I believe, and insisted I watch it. I sat through the two seasons and remarked that this was an effort to sell the public on torture as policy. My son says I am paranoid . I say if you are not, you are not paying attention, and you certainly are not thinking.

 

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Reply to SK

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 07, 2007 18:26 PM

SK:

A vital document:

Secret detentions and illegal transfers of detainees involving Council of Europe member states: Second report, Dick Marty et al., Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights, Council of Europe, June 7, 2007

Also, one of the "extraordinary rendition" maps placed into circulation thanks to the Marty investigation:


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last, a number of clippings, largely from 2007:

"CIA Secret Prisons," Financial Times
"CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons," Dana Priest, Washington Post, November 2, 2005  
"The fate of three Yemenis," Martin Kreickenbaum, World Socialist Web Site, April 28, 2006
"Collaborating with CIA kidnappers," Martin Kreickenbaum, World Socialist Web Site, April 29, 2006
"EU Endorses Damning Report on CIA," BBC International, February 14, 2007
"Bush in Italy amid revelations over CIA secret detentions," Agence France Presse, June 8, 2007
"Prober: CIA Ran Secret Jails in Europe," Elaine Ganley, Associated Press, June 8, 2007
"Trial Opens in Italy against CIA Agents," Colleen Barry, Associated Press, June 8, 2007
"Torture Shame: Britain helped CIA fly terror suspects to secret prisons," David Williams, Daily Mail, June 8, 2007
"CIA ran secret prisons for detainees in Europe, says inquiry," Stephen Grey, The Guardian, June 8, 2007
"Report says secret CIA prisons existed in Romania, Poland," Stephen Grey and Doreen Carvajal, New York Times, June 8, 2007
"Secret CIA jails hosted by Poland, Romania: watchdog," Jon Boyle, Reuters, June 8, 2007
"CIA's 'secret prisons in Europe'," Henry Samuel, Daily Telegraph, June 9, 2007
"Europeans 'aided US renditions'," Daniel Dombey et al., Financial Times, June 9, 2007
"Report Gives Details on CIA Prisons," Molly Moore, Washington Post, June 9, 2007
"CIA secret prison 'proof' falls short, for now," Mark Trevelyan, Reuters, June 11, 2007
"Anonymous witnesses not enough on CIA jails -- EU," Ingrid Melander, Reuters, June 13, 2007
"Govt's condemned over prison accusations," Associated Press, June 27, 2007
"'Wall of silence' surrounds secret prison issue," Pravda, June 27, 2007
"Marty blasts CIA jail silence, says truth will out," Gilbert Reilhac, Reuters, June 27, 2007
"Swiss investigator is criticized for allowing anonymous accusations about CIA prisons," Associated Press, July 17, 2007
"CIA dissenters aided secret prisons report-author," Marcin Grajewski, Reuters, July 17, 2007
"EU lawmakers criticize top investigator over CIA jail report," RIA Novosti, July 18, 2007 
"CIA dissenters helped expose renditions, says inquiry chief," Suzanne Goldenberg, The Guardian, July 18, 2007
"Swiss investigator sued by Polish official over CIA prisons report ," Jan Silva, Associated Press, September 25, 2007
"EU Has No Authority To Monitor CIA, Leaders Say," David Cronin, Inter Press Service, September 27, 2007 

David Peterson
Chicago, USA

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Some interesting

By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 07, 2007 15:34 PM

Some interesting reading material not many have heard of in these parts...


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