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Ron Paul's Strange Bedfellows



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What is it with progressive mancrushes on right-wing Republicans? For years, until he actually got nominated, John McCain was the recipient of lefty smooches equaled only by those bestowed upon Barack Obama before he had to start governing. You might disagree with what McCain stood for, went the argument, but he had integrity, and charisma, and some shiny mavericky positions—on campaign finance reform and gun control and… well, those two anyway.

Now Ron Paul is getting the love. At Truthdig, Robert Scheer calls him “a profound and principled contributor to a much-needed national debate on the limits of federal power.” In The Nation, John Nichols praises his “pure conservatism,” “values” and “principle.” Salon’s Glenn Greenwald is so outraged that progressives haven’t abandoned the warmongering, drone-sending, indefinite-detention-supporting Obama for Paul that he accuses them of supporting the murder of Muslim children. There’s a Paul fan base in the Occupy movement and at Counterpunch, where Alexander Cockburn is a longtime admirer. Paul is a regular guest of Jon Stewart, who has yet to ask him a tough question. And yes, these are all white men; if there are leftish white women and people of color who admire Paul, they’re keeping pretty quiet.

Ron Paul has an advantage over most of his fellow Republicans in having an actual worldview, instead of merely a set of interests—he opposes almost every power the federal government has and almost everything it does. Given Washington’s enormous reach, it stands to reason that progressives would find targets to like in Paul’s wholesale assault. I, too, would love to see the end of the “war on drugs” and our other wars. I, too, am shocked by the curtailment of civil liberties in pursuit of the “war on terror,” most recently the provision in the NDAA permitting the indefinite detention, without charge, of US citizens suspected of involvement in terrorism. But these are a handful of cherries on a blighted tree. In a Ron Paul America, there would be no environmental protection, no Social Security, no Medicaid or Medicare, no help for the poor, no public education, no civil rights laws, no anti-discrimination law, no Americans With Disabilities Act, no laws ensuring the safety of food or drugs or consumer products, no workers’ rights. How far does Paul take his war against Washington? He wants to abolish the Federal Aviation Authority and its pesky air traffic controllers. He has one magic answer to every problem—including how to land an airplane safely: let the market handle it.

It’s a little strange to see people who inveigh against Obama’s healthcare compromises wave away, as a detail, Paul’s opposition to any government involvement in healthcare. In Ron Paul’s America, if you weren’t prudent enough or wealthy enough to buy private insurance—and the exact policy that covers what’s ailing you now—you find a charity or die. And if civil liberties are so important, how can Paul’s progressive fans overlook his opposition to abortion and his signing of the personhood pledge, which could ban many birth control methods? Last time I checked, women were half the population (the less important half, apparently). Technically, Paul would overturn Roe and let states make their own laws regulating women’s bodies, up to and including prosecuting abortion as murder. Add in his opposition to basic civil rights law—he maintains his opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act and opposes restrictions on the “freedom” of business owners to refuse service to blacks—and his hostility to the federal government starts looking more and more like old-fashioned Southern-style states’ rights. No wonder they love him over at Stormfront, a white-supremacist website with neo-Nazi tendencies. In a multiple-choice poll of possible effects of a Paul presidency, the most popular answer by far was “Paul will implement reforms that increase liberty which will indirectly benefit White Nationalists.” And let’s not forget his other unsavory fan base, Christian extremists who want to execute gays, adulterers and “insubordinate children.” Paul’s many connections with the Reconstructionist movement, going back decades, are laid out on AlterNet by Adele Stan, who sees him as a faux libertarian whose real agenda is not individualism but to prevent the federal government from restraining the darker impulses at work at the state and local levels.

It’s all pretty incoherent for a man often praised as principled and consistent and profound—if states could turn themselves into a Christian theocracy, could they also turn themselves into socialist mini-republics? If they can ban contraception, can they also compel contraception? For people who see Paul as an antiwar candidate who will restore the Bill of Rights, it’s almost bad manners to bring up his opposition to just about every piece of progressive legislation passed in the last 200 years, from the Occupational Safety and Health Act and membership in the UN to Federal Deposit Insurance and requirements that undocumented immigrants be permitted treatment in ERs. But come on! This man has been a stone reactionary his entire life. Consistent? Not to harp on abortion, but an effective ban would require a level of policing that would make the war on drugs look feeble.

If Ron Paul was interested in peace, he wouldn’t be a Republican—that party has even more enthusiasm for the military-industrial complex than the Democrats. For decades the GOP has turned every election into a contest over who is more macho, more nationalistic, more willing to do exactly the things lefty Paul fans excoriate Obama for doing. Paul doesn’t get re-elected in his Texas district because of boutique positions like thinking Osama bin Laden should have been arrested, not assassinated.

Supporting Ralph Nader in 2000 was at least a vote for one’s actual politics. Supporting Ron Paul is just a gesture of frivolity—or despair.

  

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With you all the way on this, Katha!

By Stern, Jerome at Jan 07, 2012 14:00 PM

I am a 62 year white male but I find the left fan base for Paul incomprehensible for all the reasons you've stated. Even a more consistent right wing libertarian, such as the late Ayn Rand, believed that the fate of poor sick people should, at best , be left to private charity, about which she didn't seem particularly enthusiastic. She once wrote that faced with question of the suffering of those resulting from poverty and misfortune, the proper response for her supporters would be, "If you want to help them, you will not be stopped." Slightly, in her defense I should say she would be no more supportive of states' rights than federal ones and that, having at first been a fan, she denounced Ronald Reagan for his anti-abortion speeches (though as another supporter pointed out "No matter how many speeches he makes, you know he's not going to make your 15 year old daughter have the baby."). She also praised trade unions, which she generally disliked, for having stood up for their members against Republican proposals, during WWII, which she said amounted to 'industrial slavery':  "Whoever defends their own rights, defends the rights of us all." was how she put it. Nevertheless, that does not translate, for me, into any more general support for her, let alone Ron Paul.

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By Viera, Alexis at Jan 07, 2012 19:53 PM

So again is the lesser evilism argument and since there is no radical alternative to be seen anywhere it must be Obama.  Ms Pollitt and the so called progressives will rally around Obama
once again and once again ah! the dissappointment.  The collective idiocy that afflicts the "left"
seems to be unending and since  it still belives in electoral politics as a way to implement the "progressive agenda" its marginal position regarding society at large  will always reflect its nulity as a force for real change.
If Ron Pauls seduction for some elements of the left seems incomprehensible given Pauls reactionary domestic socio/economic agenda (despite his defense of individual rights under the constitucion which are specific to habeas corpus, etc. but do not include a womans right to abortion)
the liberal progressives position in regards to Obama (the democratic party machine)  is more than incomprehensible given the track record of the Obama admistration, both in its domestic and foreign policies.  Obama is a demagogue whose adminstration has been a mere continuation of the criminal policies of the previous administration both foreign and domestic.  So  Ms Pollitts sarcastic denunciation of Greenwald etc. is rather disingenouos,  for Obamas crimes can be forgiven no matter what  because Obama supports a womans right to abortion????  Has the fate of poor sick people faired any better under the Obama administration????
This is the crap that the so called american left, progresives  or whatever present to the american people as an alternative the same old shit.  There is no real opposition in America and only the Occupy movement has shown some promise of what real opposition might look like and its great merit has been to distance itself the left or the right  in search of its own voice, its rejection of leaders  
the simplicity of its demands  and its practice of direct democracy.
The struggle for emancipation, for the possibility of living free of markets or its state continues no matter the decrepits voices of a left that is part of the problem and not the solution.
I will not vote for any of these scoundrels!!!!
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By Emersberger, Joe at Jan 07, 2012 22:21 PM

Glenn Greenwald took expection (with good reson) to Pollitt's characterizaton of his position on Ron Paul. Below is the comment Greenwald posted on the Guardian. However, I wish Greenwald woud also address that Ron Paul's anti-empire rhetoirc is fraudulent as can be seen looking closely at what RP actually proposes.  His candidacy is also provoking anti war people to say very follish and destructive things as I explained here

http://www.zcommunications.org/responding-to-glenn-greenwald-about-ron-paul-by-joe-emersberger

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From Glenn Greenwald

The paragraph that purports to describe what I wrote is an absolute, 100% pure fabrication - so reckless and false that it is inexcusable.

Not only did I never argue what is attributed to me, but I repeatedly renonced those ideas - I even put those sentences in bold-face print, at the start of my piece, to prevent these sorts of blatant, sloppy fabrciations. Is this really too complex a thought for Carpenter to process? Apparently:

 

Hence: I’m about to discuss the candidacies of Barack Obama and Ron Paul, and no matter how many times I say that I am not “endorsing” or expressing support for anyone’s candidacy, the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite. But since it’s always inadvisable to refrain from expressing ideas in deference to the confusion and deceit of the lowest elements, I’m going to proceed to make a couple of important points about both candidacies even knowing in advance how wildly they will be distorted.

Or how about this: "It’s perfectly rational and reasonable for progressives to decide that the evils of their candidate are outweighed by the evils of the GOP candidate, whether Ron Paul or anyone else."

Or this? "There are, as I indicated, all sorts of legitimate reasons for progressives to oppose Ron Paul’s candidacy on the whole."

Anyone with the most basic capacity for literacy would know that Carptenter's claim -- that I argued "there are no policy priorities more imperative than those – certainly not abortion, immigration rights, LGBT equality, racial justice or any other aspect of the US's extensive foreign policy" - is a total falsehood, to put that generously.

There's much more of that in the piece she references, as well as in the separate one I wrote yesterday:


I do not believe that the issues on which I principally focus are objectively The Most Important Ones. There are many issues of vital importance that I write about rarely or almost never: climate change, tax policy, abortion, even the issue which affects me most personally: gay equality. . . . . But there are many other issues of genuine importance, and I have no objection to those who, when forced to choose, prioritize those concerns over the ones about which I write most frequently. That is why I wrote — and meant — that “there are all sorts of legitimate reasons for progressives to oppose Ron Paul’s candidacy on the whole” and “it’s perfectly rational and reasonable for progressives to decide that the evils of their candidate are outweighed by the evils of the GOP candidate, whether Ron Paul or anyone else.”

That is the precise opposite of the argument Carpenter either ignorantly or dishonestly attributed to me, and if she had an iota of integrity, she'd issue an immediate retraction.

My point -- said over and over -- is that there are vital issues (war, empire, the Surveillance State, the Drug War, due process, transparency, drones, oligrachical corruption) on which Paul -- but not Obama -- expresses the view progressives long claimed to embrace. But I did not argue -- and in fact said I was not arguing -- that progressives should vote for Paul over Obama, let alone that issues of LGBT, abortion or social programs were of less importance.

What a wretched slander.

Finally, the notion that I am "privileged" -- because I am forced to live outside of my own country in order to be with my same-sex spouse -- has to be one of the all-time dumbest claims ever to appear on the Internet. Just think about it:

Glenn Greenwald is barred by discrimiantory laws from living in his own country because he's gay, so he's forced to live on a separate continent in order to be with his life partner. Can you believe how privileged he is!

How can anyone who can manage to turn on a computer possibly express that thought without their brain going into red alert?

The reality is that issues of gay equality affect me personally more than any other single issue. Because I'm not Muslim, I'm unlikely to be put in GITMO, or drone-attacked; because I'm not a racial minority, I'm unlikely to be consigned to a cage for decades because of drug possession. If I were judging based purely on self-interest, I would be a single issue voter - simply asking which candidate is best on gay equality.

But some of us are capable of objecting to grave injustices even when they don't direclty affect us. That, too, should be added to the long list of simple ideas that Carpenter is incapable of grasping. 

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By Shepherd, Lester at Jan 08, 2012 01:40 AM

Finally, an article about Ron Paul that makes sense.  I thought Greenwald had some sense.  I am beginning to bel;ieve that very, very few individuals have any idea of what is going on.  Morris Berman does.  His new book is entitled "Why America Failed".  

Chris Hedges had this to say recently which means Paul likes Fascism: “Ron Paul is pretty good in terms of empire and in terms of fiscal responsibility, in terms of constitutional rights but the core of his message, which is essentially to gut government, is one that I think is not going to do anything to diminish the power of the corporate state.”  

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By Emersberger, Joe at Jan 08, 2012 07:13 AM

Sorry, my mistake. The respone I posted from Greenwald was to this other article about Leftists and Ron Paul - not the one Pollitt poste don the Natrion..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/06/ron-paul-useful-idiots-on-the-left?commentpage=all#start-of-comments

However, Greenwald did take Pollitt to taks in  arecent Salon post with justification.


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By Stern, Jerome at Jan 08, 2012 16:28 PM

There are now several comments that have been posted under mine. Most, perhaps all, seem to be commenting on Politt's words rather than mine, but Joe Emmersberger's remarks are a relevant corrective to some of mine. But Alexis Viera criticises Pollit for believing things, which she may well do, about which she has in this piece said nothing whatsover. By implication, it might be that I am therefore also being criticised for holding a viewpoint which in fact I do not hold, though I am aware that some people on the liberal "left" do, namely that in the end one should electorally support Obama.

Emmersberger's points 1st: I have read other references to certain left figures expressing some support for Ron Paul and took Pollit's account of Greenwald's position at face value. It seems I was wrong to do so. I wish to thank Joe for usefully correcting my ignorance and apologise to Greenwald for associating myself with a personal criticism which may well be undeserved. My criticism of Paul and any who do support him remains.

Now for Alexis Viera: Nowhere in her piece does Pollitt refer to support for Obama and when I endorsed her views I certainly was not suggesting that anyone should do so, in any way whatsoever. She may, of course, actually support Obama, but so far as what she has written above that is not relevant. As for my own position, while for the first 30 years of my life I was a social democrat, as the political elites of all western countries have moved increasingly to the right in recent decades, I have in response moved increasingly to the left: Now I would descibe myself as a supporter and advocate of revolutionary socialism- I believe there is no longer any point in trying to reform the system, it needs to be overthrown asap. The only political figure I would unhesitatingly support is Rosa Luxemburg. This makes me, I believe, what some self-professed "socialists", who do not believe in actually advocating socialism in our present circumstances, as ultraleft, a designation I believe first used by Lenin & Trotsky. If accurate, I happily accept the designation, but not the implied accusation that I must be wrong. Indeed, I suspect that in these critics terms, Lenin, Trotsky & Luxemburg, were they alive today, would be similarly regarded.

Finally I would like to make it clear where I stand on the "lesser evil" argument, supported by, among others, Noam Chomsky, who wrote that " The reason for supporting the lesser evil is that you get less evil." Wrong, Noam, as recent history has demonstrated, you get more evil. You need to look at what happens not at the instant of a given election but over time. By supporting the Democrat's in the US, or the Labour Party in the UK, you encourage them to move further to the right, anbandoning any genuine concern or support for, or interest in, the welfare of the majority of the people. If they expect unconditional support why should they do therwise. Only the prospect of the imminent collapse of any significant electoral support, hence the actual demise of their party, could make them reconsider that position. As they move further to the right, so must their rightwing rivals, so as to justify their own continued existence. And so it goes on. Nor do I believe that one can compensate for this by mass protests. They may well be repressed, but more importantly they will just be ignored, as the "letting off of steam" which is all they mostly have been recently.

The substantive criticism of of the "lesser evil" position is actually to be found in Chomsky's own writing, as well as elsewhere. Chomsky, in writing about the devolopment in the 1930's of FDR's New Deal and the postwar creation of European social democracy points out that these only occurred because the militancy of the American & Eurpean working classes in response tho the Depression made their respective elites fear that the alternative could be revolution or at least much more radical "reform" of the system. Clearly that fear has disappeared and with it the belief that these concessions to the welfare of ordinary people need to be continued. By extension of Chomsky's own analysis of the past to present conditions, the only hope of improvement in the conditions of humanity lies in confronting the ruling elites of their countries on all fronts, including electorally, with the threat of the loss of all their priveleges and power. Anything less will accomplish little. A disciple of Keynes, the economist Joan Robinson once wrote that, "To be strong enough to reform capitalism, a movement would have to be strong enough to overthrow it." Whether she was right then, I think she is right now and, once such a movement becomes so strong, why should it stop at reform, particularly as we now see how easy it has become for the rich to eventually undo eveything that is thereby achieved?

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By Donahue, Paul at Jan 08, 2012 05:28 AM

Ms. Politt hints at the important source of this inexplicable "leftists for Ron Paul" phenomenon.  All the left-pundits promoting viewpoints supportive of Paul are rich bourgeois white men, and are quite detached from the struggles of the poor - I doubt they even go to that side of town!  So, they can blithely say bizarre things like ending SS and Medicare, Medicaid, Minimum wage, workplace safety, etc. are acceptable prices to pay for a purely speculative end to atrocities in the middle east - forgetting that already more USAn's die due to lack of access to healthcare each year (estimated to be about 35-40,000) than Iraqis killed over each of the 8 1/2 years of the Iraq war/occupation.

And make no mistake, with a large Republican majority, legislation to do all these things would breeze through congress as fast as Paul could sign them.

And of course, the accusation that left opponents for Paul are supporters of Obama is a pure straw man argument.

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By Emersberger, Joe at Jan 09, 2012 01:02 AM

Paul,
accordig to the only two scientific studies done regarding Iraqi mortality from the war between 400,000-650,000 Iraqi died between 2003-2006 alone. [Actually there were 2 other studies as well but they both covered a far shorter time frame]

That can be credibly extrapolated to about 1 million deaths  after 8.5 years of war - on average about 118,000 deaths per year.

You have a valid point about the huge toll Ron Paul's market fanaticism would take on US citizens 
You might add that it would also - given the economic power of the USa - take a toll on people around the world.

However, the numbers you cite for deaths in the USA from lack of health care (even if totally accurte -I don't know)  do not compare to the death toll in Iraq.

 

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By Emersberger, Joe at Jan 09, 2012 01:18 AM

Paul,
according to UNICEF

http://www.unicef.org/sowc2011/pdfs/Table-1-Basic-Indicators_02092011.pdf


The USA has a child mortality rate of 8 per 100,000 live births.

The average for Industrialized countries, according to UNICEF (see link above) is only 6.


There were 35000 child deaths in 2009 in the US. If the USA's child mortality rate were at the industrial country average there woud only have been about 26,000.

Again, all of this is based on numbers in the link above from UNICEF.

So roughly 9,000 children under 5 years of age die needlessly in the USA every year. That is scandalous and is based on merely assuming that the USA should be able to achieve an average mortality rate for an industrialized country. However, even if you double or tripple it to account for older poeple who die needlessly in the USA, it does not begin to compare to what was inflicted on Iraq.


 

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By Emersberger, Joe at Jan 11, 2012 18:24 PM

Correction (though it doesn't make any difference to my calculation above) but UNICEF states the mortality rates as deaths per 1,000 lives births - not 100,000 as I had erroneously said. Reagrdless there were 35,000 child deaths in 2009 so the USA (by not having an AVERAGE rate for a rich country) sacrifices about 9,000 children per year.

Below are some studies that estimated the death toll for all ages from the US health cares system

A study from 2002 estimated the death toll in USA from its health care system at 18,000 per year
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/2002-05-22-insurance-deaths.htm

A study from 2009 estimated it at 45,000 per year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/17/us-usa-healthcare-deaths-idUSTRE58G6W520090917
 

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