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Socialist Vision beyond the Nation-State




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[Contribution to the Reimagining Society Project hosted by ZCommunications]

 

 

"There was a wall...an idea of boundary...Like all walls it was ambiguous, two-faced. What was inside it and what was outside it depended upon which side of it you were on."

 

Ursula LeGuin- The Dispossessed

 

 

As we imagine a different society, we must carefully look to ensure that what we retain from today's world will not corrupt or distort our efforts in the future. Borders, like walls, are designed to keep people both in and out. They act as a form of control, a means to give some the power to decide who belongs and who must go.

 

Like others here I see a participatory society as a desirable model and vision for the future. I agree with the notion of self-managed communities, with nested councils that allows for decision making power and responsibility to reside at the ‘bottom' rather than the hierarchical structure that we presently endure where power and decisions are concentrated at the ‘top' or the failures known as state socialism.

 

I support societal vision that addresses racial, gender and class inequalities in a self-managed, participatory fashion. A vision that does not rely upon an enlightened vanguard, one that does not reflect the restrictive and oppressive structures, divisions and bias of the current system. Even in a participatory society of democratic nested councils and worker and consumer councils, the existence of such borders, and their power of division and on the imagination leaves the possibility of using such boundaries as mechanisms of control. The ability to imprison, to control due to the existence of nation-states poses a challenge for socialist vision. The control of such borders can be used for gain, to objectify, creating a distorted sense of superiority.

 

What is not explicitly addressed in such models is the fact that it's quite possible to achieve a political organization of a society of nested councils and a participatory economy and yet unfortunately leave the conceptual core of the nation-state intact. As a mere organizational measure in a global socialist community and economy, the term is not inherently problematic if we take a nation-state to just be the sum of its components or the spheres of society - political, economic, kinship and cultural. These are the areas of society that we seek to transform from exploitative and oppressive to free, fair and self-determined. What we perhaps overlook in these specific critiques is the power of the nation-state as a narrative, as a creator and mirror of identity, that provides a sense of reassurance even for people aware of the problems of society's institutions and relations. The accumulated oppressive institutions of society imprint themselves on national identity and vice versa. Not recognising this potentially leads our movements to failure.

 

We thus need to not only address the various institutions that contribute to the suffering and inequality found in the world, but in doing so address and discard the limitations of nationalism and the nation-state.

 

Critiques of the current economic division of labour or the structure of current politics focus on the divisions that are created and relied upon to create inequality and privilege. A division of labour that preferences some forms of work or the holding of a deed of title over more routine or demanding jobs. The current political structure distinguishes between political representatives and the general populace. Such divisions allow for power and control to be accrued with disregard to the preferences, desires and needs of those most affected by their decisions or economic activity apart from limited democratic practices such as voting. Most repressive features in society overlap, accommodate and help define each other. So while we have presented various models of how a socialist society would institutionally limit or disable such interrelated and fluid forces in a political, governance or economic sense, we must also turn our attention to the wider structures and features of the nation-state.  A nation-state is another such division that accrues power and privilege, an institution that is much more fluid than just the sum of its institutional parts. The power of borders, of nation-states, is their power to create a perception of difference (real or imagined) and inflate and distort it.

 

For many, nationalism and patriotism gives meaning in otherwise meaningless lives. In an alienating world, a sense of belonging to a wider community is often achieved by taking aboard some sense of national duty, turning the nation-state into a paternalistic protector or ideal. Many people may have deep issues with class inequality, racism, or sexism but find that the flag, the national community, an unproblematic entity.

 

It's hard to imagine that nationalist/patriotic sentiment in the sense I mean here will disappear just from a change of our political, economic and cultural structures. Such changes might go a long way, but not enough. Even in today's, albeit competitive world, compassion and empathy rarely extend past the lines on a map, even as those in the global North enjoy comparatively larger amounts of wealth and political and economic conditions. Similar to Benedict Anderson's ‘Imagined Community' the nation-state relies on the mental preferencing and privileging of those within one's perceived borders, as members of the same nation/state, even if they never meet or have any commonalities. This has positive and negative elements. This involves a degree of solidarity; unfortunately this solidarity is created and maintained not by common values, an enlightened morality, or mutual interests. It's created and shaped by the overarching power of the nation-state's narrative and identity, via explicit and subtle formations of nationalism and patriotism within the popular psyche.

 

Nationalism as a process is value-neutral. It's an analytical and organizational tool used by many. How it's put to use is what determines whether it can be judged ‘good' or ‘bad'. Hence the difference between say white nationalism and an anti-colonial nationalism. The commonality between all forms of nationalism is the underlying logic and processes involved. Nationalism relies on difference both real and imagined but in an essentialist or reductivist manner. It seeks to create community via creating a common/shared identity and defining it against what it is not, the ‘other'. This is a problem in that the community and identity created never truly reflect the actual diversity within a particular society or culture. The underlying logic is dualistic and hierarchical, creating and framing identity in a manner that creates a divisive paradigm that is hard to reconcile with socialist aims and visions of a more connected, diverse and inclusive society. Participatory democratic models seek to create institutional restrictions on anti-social modes of behaviour in keeping with humane values such as self-management, equitable outcomes, cooperation. These institutional arrangements rely on and create a logic of cooperation compared to one of competition. These arrangements seek to encourage positive human interaction and behaviour but don't rely on such changes alone to create a cooperative and socialist society. The problem with nationalism is that it creates a conflict of logics that require different institutions and encourage conflicting forms of behaviour. This seems to be detrimental for our efforts and potentially damaging in the long term if not reconciled. Just as markets and their basic logic cannot co-exist with a participatory economy, I argue that nationalism and the nation-state cannot co-exist with a participatory polity and society. These institutions seek to create participation and encourage social human behaviour while the nation-state and nationalism rely on limiting such desirable activities to a privileged group, however that might be determined. On the Left nationalism is a problematic means in presenting important and vital critiques, creating understanding and solidarity, and expressing and sharing identity.

 

What might be involved in moving towards a post nation-state world? These are some suggestions that I'm sure can be elaborated upon after further discussion and debate

 

Ø       In the short term there is a need to change attitudes and conceptions. This may involve challenging nationalist identities and symbols and presenting alternative visions.

Ø       Continued support for diversity, anti-racist and anti-imperialist action.

Ø       Present and develop conceptions of polyculturalism and polycultural identities.

Ø       The development and promotion of post-national institutions in the economic, political, kinship and cultural spheres. The proposed International Organization of Participatory Society is just one example of this. Participatory reforms of existing international bodies and organizations is another possibility to create a post-nation state world.

Ø       Evaluation and debate on the utility of nationalism as a force for progressive change and the long term problems of such approaches.

Ø       Open borders campaigns

 

Our current efforts are (relatively) inward looking, focusing upon the institutional features of a society and the diversity of cultures and the formation of cross-sectional identities within communities. The suggestions above are (relatively) external looking (globally and in critiquing identity via the creation of a inferior ‘other'), in addressing the marginalization of differences within society to create some type of dominant, singular ideal that critically contends with other similar identities. The suggestions above confront and seek to redistribute the unequal power advantages given to some cultural practices due to their connection to a broader nation-state psyche so as to help undo particular forms of cultural domination. We must avoid attempting to do so by creating competing nationalist narratives as a platform for a new society that assume the persistence of the nation-state. The dismantling of the wider notion of the nation-state, and associated nationalisms and patriotisms, thus ties into the vital work to transform the four spheres of society identified above.

 

We must envision our societies in a way that ensures that compassion, empathy, and solidarity don't stop at the border. To ensure that borders both in a physical and cognitive sense are truly broken down or removed. We must create new forms of communal identity outside the constraints of a nationalist logic. This does not mean that we abandon cultural and ethnic practices or identities. What it does mean is that we disengage meaningful cultural practices from belonging to some type of national identity. By doing this along with creating post-state institutions and conceptions we ensure our efforts towards a better society are not limited by the boundaries of the world we find ourselves in.

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Re: Socialist Vision beyond the Nation-State

By Albert, Michael at Jul 18, 2009 13:53 PM

I think perhaps I don't understand, Justin, what you have against nations - where the criticism would rule them out not just in their current, perverse shape, but in any shape at all.

So, for example, in a revolutionized future - presumably we agree on the need for some kinds of "borders." For example, your home will presumably have walls and a door - explicit borders, and people can't just barge in. More these borders around your home demarcate a really different zone, one from the other homes, and while they may have similar practices, they may also differ.

okay, imagine that France and Germany still exist, but now, let's say, parsocish. In one, the population of France is the governing body, is organized in assemblies, etc. etc. In the other, it is the population of Germany, instead, that governs. The street signs in one are French, in the other they are German. Holidays may differ. The national economic plan may be quite different, partly due to different culture, etc. There is an endless degree of variation, and also much in common. Why is this problematic? 

If you tell me it is because current nations are oppressive, imperials, etc. etc. - I would reply, so? Current workplaces are ghastly too, but we can have a different kind of workplace, not no workplaces. Similarly, we can have a different kind of country (county, town, city, etc.), not eliminate these per se. We need the various workplaces with linkages between because economic diversity requires that workplaces are very different, one from another. It seems to me history and language and so on, makes the same true for regions. 

Do you disagree? Or are you perhaps understanding nation as meaning capitalist nation, or racist nation, etc. - as compared to just a country with its own polity, culture, and so on?

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By George, Justin at Jul 27, 2009 23:16 PM

Thanks for you comments Michael,

 

Current institutions require corresponding/accommodating forms of cultural institutions and expression. In our current societies these institutions are co-defined by hierarchical and oppressive forces. Due to this we can identify in our current societies racist, capitalist, sexist and ruling interests that are preferenced and dominant in institutions and practices. These oppressive features help define countries or nation-states whatever term works for you, i.e. France, USA, Australia etc., and its defining cultural institutions.

A singular or dominant form of cultural expression- Anglo, male, wealthy, militarist- is made into a ‘national’ character and corresponding set of cultural practices. So my essay in part sought to identify this along with how a country’s components might reinforce such a process. For me strong borders help reinforce strong notions of this ‘national character’ by restricting diversity. While the two can be seen as separate issues there is an overlap of effect.

 

My initial argument was that to challenge such institutional arrangements required breaking down not only the internal institutional arrangements of a country but to break down the external means used to maintain monocultural dominance- borders, limits on free movement and groupings.

Obviously responses to the situation today will be different to those in a post-revolution society. As Chomsky notes in a discussion found in the collection- Understanding Power, working within the system of countries is the starting point-

 

“Take the development of the state system in Europe... [it continues] to be an extremely bloody and brutal arrangement right to today. I mean, there are wars all over the Third World just because the national boundaries the European invaders imposed on these places have nothing to do with anything, except where one European power could expand at the expense of other European powers…if anything has no legitimacy, it’s this. But that’s our nation state system, and we just have to begin with it. I mean, it’s there, and it has whatever legitimacy- I wouldn’t say that it’s “legitimate”, I’d just say that it exists, we have to recognize that it exists…” p.136-137

 

Furthering this point, Polycultural analysis challenges these dominant arrangements. As Justin Podur more specifically outlined in an email exchange,

 

“You can't design away the identities that exist today because imagined communities were created by states yesterday. They have a life of their own, and will probably have to die a natural death when the political and economic structures are replaced with decent ones. My thinking on this is that unlike in economics and politics where you design institutions, in cultural matters all you can do is try to ensure the space is open (and have criteria for evaluating whether the space is open) and then people will do what they want. If there are political or legal innovations to be done, they're to try to guarantee that space”

 

The aim then is to create a protected space against oppressive or dominant forms of cultural expression in today’s societies. This along with revolutionary changes in other spheres of society- government, economics, kinship, government, will hopefully aid in redefining and reforming our collective understandings on culture and help create cultural institutions and arrangements that reflect and protect diverse cultural practices.

Thus in a participatory society, you might have a radically different France, or USA, and within such a society the encouragement of diverse cultural practices and supportive/protective institutions might also eventually lead to the breaking down of borders (as I hope in my essay), of having no countries (at least how we think of them now), as progressive and positive cultural institutions develop to replace old practices and institutions over time. This wouldn’t be a process of homogenization but an outgrowth of diversity that requires institutions to adjust to them, not the other way round.

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By George, Justin at Jul 20, 2009 17:18 PM

Hi Michael,

Thanks for your comments and apologies for the delay. I will be able to post a response in the next day or so.

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Re: Socialist Vision beyond the Nation-State

By Roberts, Matt at Jun 17, 2009 19:13 PM

Thanks for another great article Justin, really good reading. As you've highlighted, to attain said visons of a participatory society we do seek and, for success, need major changes in mentality, individual views on identity, an increase in empathy and compassion. It is a vision that may seem distant as a still relatively small voice cannot change lifetimes of nationalist ideals, patriotism, ignorance, greed and the search for power. Though it is a vision that should be supported, is worth endeavouring for and even though at present I'm not holding my breath, I think that positive change is achievable.

Thanks again.

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By George, Justin at Jun 18, 2009 00:54 AM

Thanks Matt, glad you enjoyed it.

I agree that challenging such ingrained ideals and sense of self that nationalist/patriotism imbues will be long and difficult. I think it's questioning our assumptions and attitudes to begin with and in doing so have that inform our immediate efforts and our long term vision, and over time and with great effort achieve the positive change you write about.

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By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 16, 2009 23:59 PM

The Israel-Palestine issue may give us a chance to address the problems with imaginary lines because it is largely a problem born of this the poison that is called the nation state.  Before 1947 and the intrusion of uber-nationalistic Zionism, Palestinians didn't seem to be all that nationalistic, hence the saying "One state, two state, no state." We should support their national ambitions now despite any reservations  we have about nation-states, but if we are somehow able to achieve a "no state" solution just think of the example it could set for the rest of the world. Also I believe that building local based economies might be detrimental to nationalism.

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By George, Justin at Jun 18, 2009 00:18 AM

Hi Stuart,

I was discussing the Palestine/Israel conflict and the two-state, one state solution with someone the other day and thinking it was amusing after writing an article adovcating moving beyond nation-states. I think that regarding many of these issues of self-determination that the practical reality/logic/contraints lead to a state solution, whether an independent Palestinian state or a unified Palestine-Israel. However I agree that we should try and stretch our imaginations in developing solutions. Though  I think  such changes will be in the long term with the development of participatory institutions and practices that will help erode that strong nationalist identity, I think that if we keep the points I write on in mind in developing our vision and efforts, especially in terms of where we want to go/where we want to be, then it forms part of wider efforts to create a better world.

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By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 18, 2009 17:36 PM

George, I actually tend to agree with Norman Finklestein in that since the international community has legitamized a two state solution it is therefore the best place to start. Reading your article just made me think about how the issue of the nation-state is one of the factors that begat the Israel/Palestine conflict. 

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By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 18, 2009 17:38 PM

I'm sorry I meant to address you by Justin

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By Shapiro, Tali at Jun 22, 2009 05:38 AM

Hey Justin and Stuart,
Finkelstein may be correct in his practicality, but I wonder if all sides to this multi-national agreement are willing to commit to a gradual process, that doesn’t stop at the 67 borders. The two-state solution infringes on the right of return. If two states are created, basically, you’ll have a Palestinian state that may decide to fight for it’s right (which, in this case will be indisputable) to return to its original borders. Sound familiar? Just like the Jews shouldn’t have received a state back in 48, the Palestinians shouldn’t receive one, now.  Granted the road to coexistence is long, winding and broken up in ways which make it seem impossible, but we should be striving for a sustainable situation, not another imaginary line that will lead to more instability. Ah… I guess you can say we agree!

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By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 22, 2009 09:12 AM

So are you arguing for a no state solution?

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By Shapiro, Tali at Jun 22, 2009 11:55 AM

I think the question would be "are we arguing"? ;)


Ideally no-state. In hope of a one state, in a reality that would probably produce one state.

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By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 22, 2009 23:40 PM

Now I'm just seeing how many Re:'s we can get

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By Shadwell, Stuart at Jun 22, 2009 23:59 PM

It's like the shower scene in Psycho

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