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Cautious congratulations are due to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Elected president ten years ago and enjoying thirteen major electoral victories since, he has once again gained popular support this time to remove the two-term constitutional limit on all elected positions. Now, Chavez and others can run indefinitely for presidential, gubernatorial, and municipal office, and aim to run again in 2012 to carry forward the "Bolivarian Revolution" and "21st Century Socialism."
 
However, optimism about new openings for the Bolivarian Revolution should be tempered with concern about how this new path was opened and potential pitfalls it may contain. Does the "Yes" vote imply that Chavez is the only person able to advance the Bolivarian Revolution as most advocates argued? Mightn't removing term limits even increase dependency on him as the central person capable of carrying forward the Bolivarian project? If so, isn't this dependency a serious problem for the process?

Of course, had a "No" vote triumphed it would have called into question the future of the Bolivarian Revolution. On the other hand, if momentum could have been regained, one wonders if a successful "No" vote would have lit a fire under the Chavez administration to promote new candidates for potential re-election in 2012? Would any Bolivarian advocate disagree that new faces carrying forward the hoped for transformations would be a healthy, although uncertain, gain?
 
Seen this way, the outcome of the recent referendum was reason to celebrate, yes, but carries a burden as well as benefits. On the one hand, controversy around removing electoral term limits is not Venezuela's alone and is commonly associated with abuse of power, as has been noted by others who have highlighted President Uribe's efforts to do the same in Columbia, and also Mayor Michael Bloomberg's in New York, both in contrast to Chavez. Such observations fueled the anti-Chavez opposition nationally and internationally, but that doesn't mean they are entirely false. Imagine a campaign to remove term limits in the U.S. Every progressive would be opposed.
 
Further, there should be concern over continuing reliance on a single leader. Why is no one learned enough and popular enough to be capable of taking Chavez's place? In the ten years that Chavez has been president why hasn't a new generation been prepared and become sufficiently popular to carry forward the Bolivarian agenda with as much approval as Chavez has? Wouldn't that be positive? Isn't its absence reason for concern?
 
More broadly, shouldn't Chavez be taking steps to ultimately organize himself out of his position of power, and likewise for ministers and mayors, so that one day the communal councils could surpass individual officials in decision-making power to carry out the social and material objectives of the Venezuelan people?
 
It is easy to see the great difficulty in achieving such a vision, however, long-term goals like these could be lost or sent off trajectory not only by short-term errors such as over dependency on Chavez, but also due to losing Chavez, and both dangers could snowball if he gets re-elected in 2012, while if he runs, and he loses, that would be even worse.
 
History presents numerous "20th Century Socialist" countries where leaders rationalized their self-importance over the led, and the led rationalized their allegiance as followers who didn't administer themselves, and the whole endeavor suffered disastrously.
 
Inspiration against these fears can be found in the effort to re-organize social and material life to empower the communal councils and carry out the various Bolivarian Missions on health, education, and social services as well as the efforts at regional integration and solidarity. It is clear that to date and possibly for many years to come Chavez will play an indispensable part of making the revolution happen, because of his historical ties, his connection to the population, and his political savvy. But he cannot and should not go it alone, without emergence of other prominent actors, without checks and accountability, no matter how much people believe in him and he believes in himself. Others must come up on all levels of government while steps are also taken to empower those below so that all can eventually help manage the transition to "21st Century Socialism."
 
Now that Chavez has once again won the confidence of the majority of voters, one can envision an amazing step he might take. Imagine, now that term limits have been removed, if Chavez announced a new challenge -- to prepare others to run in his place for the next election in 2012, so that he won't have to be president, again, but could instead be a minister, or an activist, or whatever else -- certainly not disappearing, however.
 
In such a scenario Chavez could dedicate his tirelessness and charisma to the revolution, just as now, but in this new situation he would work with others who have taken his current office and by doing so send a powerful message that he not only has the best interests of Venezuelans at heart, but more, he understands that to combat the dangers of centralization of power, goodwill alone is not enough, and there needs to be a strategy of diversification and participation. Even if Chavez did meet this hypothetical challenge and eventually changed his role in 2012, if needed it would be possible for him to run again as president, later, to help carry forward the Bolivarian Revolution to its sought for ultimate conclusion. But even in such a case, he alone would still not suffice at such a task.

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Contradiction

By Jones, David at Feb 19, 2009 20:52 PM

It is a curious aspect of Latin culture to establish iconic leader figures. My time spent in Venezuela taught me to expect certain contradictions, such as love for celebrity and media figures and Chavez has used that well. He is larger than life and I fear he is overly full of himself. He is an obstacle to others coming up through the ranks. Hopefully the revolution can progress beyond Chavez and "leaders" in general.

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Re: Contradiction

By Wolfe, Marthe at Feb 20, 2009 14:35 PM

Oh boy, another armchair quarterback.

Ever hear of American Idol?

I believe it came before Latin American Idol--but I could be wrong.

And how about that black guy who killed his wife--whose very farts were captured on nationwide t.v. for HOW many months?

And Michael Jackson?

Please show us precisely HOW Chavez is an obstacle to others coming up through the ranks.

How many billions does it cost now to run for president in the US?

Of course, that's not an obstacle at all--I could start running tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Re: Contradiction

By Sperber, Joshua at Feb 20, 2009 17:16 PM

Easily the worst comments I've read here. MW: look up tu quo que, ipse dixit, and ad hominem. You cover them all in your vapid display of fallacious anti-thought.

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Re: Re: Re: Contradiction

By Wolfe, Marthe at Feb 21, 2009 11:27 AM

You must be the running buddy of the writer of this silly article, right?

I went to university on a Latin scholarship, so you can take your contentless criticism and shove it.

 

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democracy and term limits

By D'Arcy, Steve at Feb 19, 2009 10:34 AM

Hi Chris,

I think that you raise some legitimate points. However, it should be noted that term limits are exceptional, not the norm. We have no term limits in Canada, nor do most ostensibly 'democratic' political systems. In the US, of course, it is only Presidents that have term limits. But it is only in reference to Venezuela that it ever occurs to anyone to suggest that a political system is made less democratic by the absense of term limits. And we all know why this unusual standard is applied to the Venezuela case: because opponents of the revolutionary process in Venezuela are looking for flimsy arguments to advance their charge that Chavez -- elected repeatedly by big margins in fair and democratic elections -- is somehow a dictator.

So, although there may be merit to the idea that democratic political systems are improved by term limits, this principle should be applied first to countries that are by other standards less democratic than Venezuela, such as Canada and Great Britain. We always have to remind ourselves that Venezuela is arguably the most democratic country in the whole world. It is, quite literally, the only country in the world where people can participate in military coups to overthrow democratically elected governments, and avoid prosecution by the very government that they attempted to overthrow by illegal and unconstitutional means. (On the other hand, maybe this is a strike against it, because arguably Venezuela might be more democratic if it prosecuted those who participated in the coup -- but that is a debate for another day.)

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Re: democracy and term limits

By Spannos, Chris at Feb 19, 2009 11:09 AM

Hi Steve,

 

I mentioned in a previous comment that my primary concern is not whether term limits are good or bad -- as you point out those debating for keeping term limits have mostly done so trying to argue that Chavez is a dictator. The flip side to this argument, which I mention in passing in the article, is that those who argued for their removal often did so implying Chavez was needed to carry the revolution forward or that otherwise the revolutions gains could be lost. While Chavez is clearly not a dictator, both sides have a kernel of truth to them and my small effort was to explore how relying on a single person to carry the revolution forward could affect that process.  Greg Wilpert's article that we published yesterday does something similar, using many examples and historical texture, while raising parallel concerns.

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By D'Arcy, Steve at Feb 19, 2009 12:09 PM

Hi again Chris,

Thanks for the reply. I just want to say that I agree with your point that it would be better to have a wider layer of people who play prominent roles in the Venezuelan revolution, and to reduce the (apparent) reliance of the Venezuelan left on any one individual. That is true. But I think, as a matter of emphasis, that it would be better to disentangle that question -- which is what I had in mind when I mentioned your "legitimate points" -- from the more questionable (not necessarily wrong, but not obviously correct) point about the value of term limits.

As you know, and as you acknowledge, the present context is one in which Chavez is being widely attacked for being a dictator, because he (like most Venezuealans, it turns out) wants to adopt the normal practice in democratic political systems of doing without term limits. That, of course, is an absurd charge. So, I think that it would be better for radicals to frame their concerns about how best to strengthen the revolutionary process, to broaden participation in it, and to enhance the capacities of the wider Venezuelan left, by placing them not in the context of questions about the merits of term limits, but in the context of how to maximize the left's capacity to defend the gains made so far, and to advance farther toward a "21st century socialism." It is a matter of "disentangling," in a way that is sensitive to the present context, that's all.

Having said that, I don't think there's any reason not to raise critical concerns, in a spirit of solidarity, about the limitations of today's Venezuelan left, even though it is obviously the strongest and most democratic sector of the global left today.  The left in Canada in the US, for example the labour movement or most mass activist organizations, have a lot to learn about democracy from the Venezuelan left, so the emphasis should problably be on us learning from them. But learning is always a two-way street.

Steve

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Grasping at Straws

By Wolfe, Marthe at Feb 19, 2009 10:27 AM

Most of the articles I have read since the results of Sunday's referendum on term limits were made public have been drivel--scraping around to come up with something to use as a caveat.

Considering that term limits--which don't apply in, for example, 17 countries of the European Union--is a non issue, all the pieces have been insubstantial.

I find it simply absurd that at this moment in history, when most countries and their people are dancing out on the air past the edge of the abyss, a la Wile E. Coyote, that folks have dedicated their time to writing speculative pieces about Hugo Chavez.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Grasping at Straws

By Spannos, Chris at Feb 19, 2009 10:56 AM

HI Marthe,

>Most of the articles I have read since the results of Sunday's referendum on term limits were made public have been drivel--scraping around to come up with something to use as a caveat.

Caveat for what? Most that I read assessed the referendum as pro or con, or some balance inbetween, on whether Chavez is behaving democratically or not. Very few that I read, aside from some already published on Z, did so from the perspective of whether it is good or bad in the Bolivarian process. That is what I tried to do... 


>Considering that term limits--which don't apply in, for example, 17 countries of the European Union--is a non issue, all the pieces have been insubstantial.

I agree that term limits should not be the main focus. The main focus I think is the Bolivarian revolution and what may or may not help it progress...


>I find it simply absurd that at this moment in history, when most countries and their people are dancing out on the air past the edge of the abyss, a la Wile E. Coyote, that folks have dedicated their time to writing speculative pieces about Hugo Chavez.

 I'm not sure if you're classifying mine with the the others you find "absurd." But I am not speculating about Chavez, per se. I am commenting on the problems of over reliance on a single person to cahnge a country, and the potential dangers in the removal of term limits, and even how some of those dangers could be avoided. 

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Re: Re: Grasping at Straws

By Wolfe, Marthe at Feb 20, 2009 14:21 PM

1.  Caveat for accepting that the results of the referendum are positive.  Your piece began with the word "cautious", applied to congratulations.  That's building a caveat situation.

2.  One of the reasons that I am irritated by pieces like yours is that they are based on very little life experience in the region where I live, Latin America.  That is not an egeist comment, BTW.  Just a statement of fact.  I have lived in Latin America for nearly 20 years now, have spent quite a lot of time in Venezuela, have met and discussed the Bolivarian project with its president--and I regularly give academic presentations about that project throughout the region.  And I do not have the last word on any of it, except to say that compared to other projects on the planet right now, it's definitely better.

3.  I do find it absurd that you wrote this piece, yes.  You aren't part of the Bolivarian project, you don't live in Latin America and--more to the point --your own country is in a real shithole right now--pardon my "freedom fries" language--and doing its best to drag the rest of the hemisphere and the planet down that very same hole.  I suggest biblically applying the "beam in your own eye" advice in this case.

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