Hi! Nice topic

this film is one of the best things i have seen this year. it's an improbable cross between "Brazil" "a clockwork orange" and the video game HALF-LIFE2 (from which it borrows it's final sequences and use of on shot action-sequences) it manages to be both entertaining in the Hollywood way (with incredible action sequences and a very clever way of using digital effects) yet very sad and different with a very very dark and realistic overtone. No comic relief, no cartoon character bravery, only human behavior in it's best and most horrible way. This realistic overtone makes the main characters very engaging and moving. CLive owen (whose i have always disliked) is excellent as the man drowned into an adventure too big for him. online pharmacy

"I don't see the problem with the latter.  Why shouldn't she be black?"

I do have a problem with a european film showing the savior as a magical negress saint.  Why?  Blacks in europe and the US have a very bad track record and a pattern of blaming others for everything wrong with their race and culture while enjoying the perks of a first world existance.  If the woman was asian or arab I would have less a problem.  If the show revolved around an African culture I would have no problem.  It is the propaganda that is so offensive.  No one likes to be minipulated.  Gould seems to not have a problem with culture blending however.  The best way to prevent nazism is to NOT force peoples to live together against the will of the host country.

 

 

So what if we see breasts? Has it only become acceptable to see nudity when a [man + woman] are engaging in sex? I think that scene was great, it was emotional!

((No rudeness intended, just tryin to get thoughts going...))

I agree with you! Not only was the single black woman the quintessential single mother but if you watch the movie closely and you pay attention to when they ask her about the father of the baby, she acts as if she does not even know who the father is.

Not only that, but when she shows the main character that she is pregnant, she completely removes her shirt showing her breasts as well as her stomach. Instead of only showing her stomach to display her pregnancy.

Hi everyones, I downloaded Children of men, its a cool movie.. yes i do like watching pirated US and British movies.. I took the movie where I work and I suggested it to a old british bitch; he refused to see it and raised its nose because it is pirated.. I didnt have a gun for the moron, the whole of Britain is heating up their house with natural gas "pirated " from Scotland whose citizens not only never saw a penny from the resource but actually pay more for their gas than british supremacists.. its ammazing to see the biggest robbers are always the one screaming thiefs..

The imcompetence and lack of politics of the rebels was grating, indeed, but wholely supported by reality. How many rediculous "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" conspiracies, or post-riot renunciations on the part of infantile "anarchists" have we seen or heard of in our lifetimes? More than I can count, on my behalf. The resistance could honestly say they never had anything to offer the population because the resistance was never part of the population. It's hard constituency was entirely outsiders, which is why it was that much easier to emphasize violence. It would be just as fair to ask the the Palestinians why they lost their ethical framework and could offer nothing to the Israelis? The use of terrorism and violence is certainly one way to create something to offer (a return to peace) in exchange for justice, but the acts themselves also devalue what they are creating---the society the victims belong to merely views it as a "humiliating defeat for the team," and vows vengeance. The most powerful thing an immigrant seeking inclusion can offer is a salved conscience.

-The Islamic and Arab aspect of the rebellion in the refugee camp was overstated, I think, for the UK in 2027.

By the lights of this Orientalist grandee that might be too late.

-The only trustworthy people in the movie were white... those in the resistance who turned out to be traitorous were black/brown.
-The pregnant girl, the quintessential single mother, happened to be black.

I don't see the problem with the latter.  Why shouldn't she be black?

As for the former, if every film has to have at least one untrustworthy white person for every untrustworthy black person, what does that say about our society?  It also makes films rather predictable.

For me, Children of Men portrayed a pretty realistic idea of where this country is going.  The current British Govt has passed 10+ extremely disturbing laws.  The Civil Contingencies Act contains a copy of Hitler's Enabling Act - yet nobody seems to have heard of it.  Check my URL for more info.

and I couldn't understand why before I watched it. Based on the premise and the summaries that I read, I expected that it would have the same hostile reaction that the Wachowskis' V for Vendetta received (which, in any case, made a travesty of the graphic novel). But Children of Men has been almost universally praised in the liberal and progressive side of the spectrum so I was suspicious that something was wrong.

"The incompetence and lack of politics of the rebels was grating."

"Or was envisioning a battle between an authoritarian, diffuse, collapsing capitalist society and a genuine alternative, politically fought, beyond the ability of our moviemakers today?"

You almost hit the nail on the head there. Don't forget that there were really two groups of different types of rebels. 'The Fishes' are the descendants of the IRA. I also deplore them, but unlike the moviemakers, liberals and most progressives, I know that isn't the only type of underground resistance movement. The Fishes seek to "politicize the baby." The other group of rebels is the 'The Human Project'. Cloaked in mystery, we only get a glimpseof them at the end, but they give off that sweet aura (sickening to me) of humanist scientists, swooping in to save the day. Given this contrast, it should be easy to see why the liberals and progressives love the film, even if they aren't cognisant of this stereotype. And of course this steotype isn't really born out by history. During the WWII the scientists sided with the fascists andhte undeground resistance kept their principles and won, most notably in Greece, only to be then suppressed by 'liberal' Britain and the U.S.A... but then liberals and most progressives don't know their history either.

That said, I enjoyed the film. Alfonso Cauron is a great director and his camera guy did some great cinematography. They made the world "a character" just like in Y Tu Mama Tambien, and so were albe to show a high level of consciousness without being pendantic. Bearing in mind the distortions you'll have to endure, I would still recommend the movie.

oh p.s. they also made The Fishes patriachial. Luke could only have been expecting a baby boy. Chalk that up under the list of greviances.