The Declassified Record
By Noam Chomsky at Aug 19, 2006 |
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Z Sustainer: I'm not really clear about what you mean when you refer to the "declassified record." Whatever it is that you're referring to is obviously an unbelievably valuable resource. Again and again, I've seen you expose amazing and very enlightening facts, citing this "declassified record." I realize it's not a single source (e.g., all memoranda from any secretary of state to any president). I have no idea how many documents are classified by the U.S. government in an average year, but I'm guessing that it would take a single person more than a lifetime to read even one year's worth. It can't be that you just read everything that the federal government ever declassifies. How do you know what to read? How do journalists, academics, etc. know what to ask for in FOIA requests, when they (as a matter of logic) don't what's in a specific document or even that it exists? Does everything just get declassified after a generation or two? What about the Bush administration's (illegitimately?) reclassifying documents?
Noam Chomsky: There is an official declassification procedure, run by historians in connection with the State Department. They review documents of all government agencies that allow it (the CIA, for example, often does not), and decide which ones to release. Theoretically, it's supposed to be after 30 years. In practice, a bit longer. The record is called Foreign Relations of the United States. It's available in any good research library (like universities), and by now a lot is online.
In addition, the government regularly declassifies documents. There is, at least used to be, a regular publication listing declassified documents.
One can also obtain documents through the Freedom of Information Act, or by research in presidential libraries and other archival sources. That's a lot of work
Administrations differ in what they are willing to release. The so-called "conservatives," more accurately statist reactionaries, are the worst. The Reagan administration caused a major scandal by refusing to release, perhaps destroying, documents on the overthrow of the governments of Iran and Guatemala in the early 50s. That actually led to the resignation of the (quite conservative) State Department historians, and blasts in the professional journals and sometimes even the press. I think the Bush administration may be the first to "reclassify" documents, and have been charged (I haven't checked carefully) with refusing to release documents of the Johnson years.
99% of it is quite boring, but there are nuggets. How do you know what to read and look for? It's rather like asking a chemist what to look for in the thousands of technical papers that pour out, or of the innumerable experiments that can be done? We're all overwhelmed by a deluge of data, and can find out what's important only by developing a framework of insight and understanding, whether it's in the hard sciences or daily life. There aren't any special tricks.
Z Sustainer: I'd like it if you could also answer me more broadly as well, not just restricted to the "declassified record." Where do you find out about, for example, and this is only an example, the details about diplomatic proposals that were made between the U.S. and the Milosevic government, not now but at the time the crisis was actually going on?
Noam Chomsky: What I reported was public information, right at the time, which the press refused to report, e.g., about the Serbian proposals for diplomatic settlement on the eve of the bombing, but a lot more. There's plenty available in the public record, but one has to search to find it.
Z Sustainer: I understand that you are heavily plugged into a network of like-minded academics, activists and journalists. I'm not referring to that (mostly). I'm talking about primary sources that disclose facts embarrassing to the establishment, actually admitted to on paper by the establishment; the best example I know of is the set of early National Security Council memoranda.
Noam Chomsky: It's true that over the years one develops personal contacts, but no need to exaggerate it. The network I'm plugged into overlaps extensively with what you can read on Znet. The early NSC memoranda were declassified, usually after something like the 30-year gap. But they are not studied much, even in scholarship often, and they rarely make it to the general public. Just to give an example, one of the most important questions about the post-war period is the record of documents concerning China. They're public up through the 60s, for the most part, but the first really serious book about the "NSC culture" as revealed in the documents is just coming out, a fascinating study by James Peck, a fine China scholar, called Washington's China.
Z Sustainer: Is all of this stuff available in any decent university library in the U.S.?
Noam Chomsky: The most important parts, or they can be obtained by interlibrary loan or by now, on the internet.






Question
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Aug 29, 2007 02:58 AM
First of all, I saw the movie "Chomsky: Rebel Without a Pause," and in that, Carol Chomsky, who's been Noam's life-partner (and woman) for a long, long years says ever so of it is simply extremely hard sheeting by Noam. And, of course, whatever the netlion, how could this not be? defensible if you thin out a world-class netsecond job of datarmation suppliers, what happens to the incidental releasermation, if you don't prioritize your own filiation of it?
Personally, I am inspired by Noam Chomsky's long-standing wire service of his own motives and roosts. If you conjecture the world's as messed up/able to be better as Chomsky does, then you underestimate a chaste inevitability to populate hard to increase the dissimilarity munitions with total dedication get better. Certainly, if the voyeuristic and masterful do unworthy, then befuddlement is the inheritance, as that is quite indubitably the major key material philosophy of "our" societies.
Meanwhile, it is a big gun question. In circumstance, does anybody the scoop of declassified documents in connection with the state-corporate planning of the automotive infrastructures with which we're now murderously stuck? I'm concludeing as things go about records of Eisenhower finagling with the businesses involved, but and Roosevelt, Truman, and cyclic post-Eisenhower allay...
Muchas gracias in advance...
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The George Washington University has a website called National S
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Aug 22, 2007 01:11 AM
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I'll just read you the
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Jul 29, 2007 09:03 AM
“Chomsky's recommendation that people practice intellectual
self-defense is well taken, but, how many could dream that the person
warning you is one of the most perilous against whom you'll need to
defend yourself? That he is the Fire Marshall who wires your house to
burn down? The Lifeguard who drowns you. The doctor with the disarming
bedside manner who administers a fatal injection. If Noam Chomsky did
not exist, the diaboligarchy would have to invent him. To the New World
Order, he is worth 50 armored divisions.”
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sohbet
By Halilvelioglu, Halo at Jul 21, 2007 14:47 PM
This is rediculous. You really have no counter argument to the Chomsky attacks, and you also attempt to slyly imply that Chomsky himself is bought out or owned by some large corporation, though when reading through it more closely, it is clear he is not. All you do is belittle him as an intellectual bully. I got news for you, he can't bully you without ammo, and he has plenty. Chomsky coming out against 9/11 conspiracy theories is a deathnail to your cute little movement. Unless you can come up with some pretty good facts to rebuff his rebuke, which is both more factual and logical than any 9/11 conspiracy I have ever heard. What do you come back with? Namecalling, and an implication of his status as a corporate man that is disgusting. This blog epitomizes your "movement." You make things up that seem crazy, but when a person actually looks into it, its clear that it is an exagerration or misleading fact. You make the left look stupid, and give republicans creedence when they call global warming a conspiracy theory.
I'm going to revisit this site, and if my comment is deleted, we'll see who really wants the whole truth out
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This is rediculous. You
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Mar 05, 2007 18:22 PM
This is rediculous. You really have no counter argument to the Chomsky attacks, and you also attempt to slyly imply that Chomsky himself is bought out or owned by some large corporation, though when reading through it more closely, it is clear he is not. All you do is belittle him as an intellectual bully. I got news for you, he can't bully you without ammo, and he has plenty. Chomsky coming out against 9/11 conspiracy theories is a deathnail to your cute little movement. Unless you can come up with some pretty good facts to rebuff his rebuke, which is both more factual and logical than any 9/11 conspiracy I have ever heard. What do you come back with? Namecalling, and an implication of his status as a corporate man that is disgusting. This blog epitomizes your "movement." You make things up that seem crazy, but when a person actually looks into it, its clear that it is an exagerration or misleading fact. You make the left look stupid, and give republicans creedence when they call global warming a conspiracy theory.
I'm going to revisit this site, and if my comment is deleted, we'll see who really wants the whole truth out
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This is rediculous. You
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Mar 05, 2007 18:22 PM
This is rediculous. You really have no counter argument to the Chomsky attacks, and you also attempt to slyly imply that Chomsky himself is bought out or owned by some large corporation, though when reading through it more closely, it is clear he is not. All you do is belittle him as an intellectual bully. I got news for you, he can't bully you without ammo, and he has plenty. Chomsky coming out against 9/11 conspiracy theories is a deathnail to your cute little movement. Unless you can come up with some pretty good facts to rebuff his rebuke, which is both more factual and logical than any 9/11 conspiracy I have ever heard. What do you come back with? Namecalling, and an implication of his status as a corporate man that is disgusting. This blog epitomizes your "movement." You make things up that seem crazy, but when a person actually looks into it, its clear that it is an exagerration or misleading fact. You make the left look stupid, and give republicans creedence when they call global warming a conspiracy theory.
I'm going to revisit this site, and if my comment is deleted, we'll see who really wants the whole truth out
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Declassified documents
By Office, Home at Feb 16, 2007 14:43 PM
Browse recently declassified documents:
The original link doesn't work anymore…
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Good points...
By D., Shira at Dec 04, 2006 07:39 AM
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I wish..
By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 02, 2006 14:18 PM
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Cyrano
By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 02, 2006 12:58 PM
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re: evil is everywhere:
By Kissenger, Clark at Oct 01, 2006 22:04 PM
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Asylum seeker
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Sep 29, 2006 19:49 PM
New video.
Ahlam Souidi speaks frankly about her time as an asylum seeker in Glasgow. Her family are at the moment threatened with deportation back to a country, Algeria, where they face grave danger.
Please watch and circulate the links to this video. The idea is to get this woman and her family so well known that the Home Office will not be able to send her back to Algeria.
There will be a demo on 7th October in support of Ahlam and her family, feeding into the main UNITY refugee demo in George Square.
Anyone with a blog or website – lift the html code at the youtube site and please place these on your blog.
The first minute and a half of this video is silent.
Ahlam's Story part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sr7jSWLjg8
Ahlam's Story part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31rojR3prCA
Ahlam's Story part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl1RIiO1Tgc
Full length videos (1/2 hour) can be sent to those interested by emailing nwsocialist@yahoo.co.uk
Pamela Page did a review of this video:
I used Ahlam's story in my work with a class of students doing a project on Human Rights. I've also used the Dungavel dvd in the past about dawn raids which is also an excellent way to dispel the myths around asylum.
Ahlam's story is powerful in that that is what it is. Her story in her Voice. Her humanity, honesty and vitality shine through everything she says about her experience.
The honesty of one of the Glasgow women who spoke of her own ignorance and racism prior to meeting Ahlam was especially touching and brave. Ahlam is actively involved in many local initiatives and is a valued by her community. Let's make her so well known that it's impossible for her to be forced to leave her home.
It went down great in school and i'm getting copies made. Funnily enough a guy from the local Amnesty group popped into our branch the other night and I think Neil gave him a copy so hopefully they will take it up too.
Great job Nwsocialist!
Px
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Evil is Everywhere
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 28, 2006 15:51 PM
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re Trust
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 27, 2006 00:15 AM
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Trust
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 26, 2006 12:32 PM
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Towers Of Deception: The Shame of Noam Chomsky
By Anarcho, Anarcho at Sep 25, 2006 23:52 PM
I just finished reading Barrie Zwicker's new book Towers of Deception. Zwicker is a left-wing journalist from Canada, who has worked for years in the media, at the CBC and at The Globe and Mail.
If you want a serious look at the questions addressed in this the comments of this posting, look no further. Zwicker is no right-wing idiot, in fact he is a respected left-wing political activist and documentary filmmaker, and his criticisms of Chomsky are vital to understanding today's American Left. This book is a must-read for anyone who claims to be a Chomskyite, and an essential step forward for the Left.Americans MUST hold Chomsky's feet to the fire on the issues addressed in this book, especially on his constant efforts to divert attention away from the CIA and its shadowy activities.
And to Mr. Chomsky: if you read this blog, please respond to the charges placed against you. Please help us understand why most of what you say stays true to the facts, but on the most important issues, like the one that is used to justify all of the current American atrocities you expose tenaciously in your work, you stay mostly silent. And when you do address it, your words are full of distortions and embarrassing emotional rhetoric. Many of us have lost our once near-unbreakable trust in you. We now see that you are pulling the ol' bait-and-switch. You have become Emmanuel Goldstein.
You must come clean on 9/11, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and America's shadow government.
Please prove to us that you aren't just another example of that old truism, that George Orwell knew so well, that the best disinformation is 90% true.
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Nice try but you don't fool
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Sep 25, 2006 15:47 PM
Nice try but you don't fool anyone here : Chomsky is one hope that someday american people will wake up and say : we can't stand this anymore !
All great country can be led into error when the power of evil has no more.
Just one question to you : show me any serious paper showing Chomsky mistakes clearly and I will consider it.
Dozen of times I have checked some of it sources myself over Internet and they were all true...
I would also they this : greatest minds are beyond countries frontiers. Chomsky is more part of humanity as US citizenship.
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Denial Stops Here: The Ford Foundation, the CIA, and Gatekeepers
By Anonymous, Anonymous at Sep 23, 2006 19:54 PM
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/FordFandCIA.html
http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html
http://www.oilempire.us/gatekeepers.html
http://www.911blogger.com/taxonomy/term/587
http://www.911blogger.com/taxonomy/term/29
Will Znet tell us a bit about who funds them?
Will Chomsky explain his contradictions?
As divisive as it may be, these are issues that must be addressed - anybody who says these things don't matter is either foolish or hiding something.
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re : Something is very fishy about Chomsky
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 23, 2006 19:44 PM
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Something is very fishy about Chomsky
By Orwell, Orson at Sep 23, 2006 18:47 PM
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More on "Left Gatekeepers"
By Clatocini, Fred at Sep 23, 2006 18:29 PM
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Rumors from French intelligence
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 23, 2006 10:43 AM
PARIS - President Jacques Chirac said Saturday that information contained in a leaked intelligence document raising the possibility that Osama bin Laden may have died of typhoid in Pakistan last month is "in no way whatsoever confirmed." Chirac said he was "a bit surprised" at the leak and has asked Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie to probe how a document from a French foreign intelligence service was published in the French press.more..
gatekeeper, Chomsky is not interested to find proof that 9/11 was secret services orchestrated, I think he rather take the official version that Bin Laden did it and chomsky rather show that the whole of policies of the US are causes for conflict.
Was 9/11 US made ? its possible. Conspiracies and cover-ups are somewhat difficult to prove. Nobody eluded JFK death after 40 years!
Reagan had a conspiracies going with humanitarian aid and got nailed.
it does not exclude the possibility that the PLOT could had originated in a CIA office outside the US. Chomsky's work evolves around policies, if yours evolves around 9/11, I think its a good thing, it could becomes helpful when and if it is revealed that it was subversive attack. Trust me, the mere facts that there is doubt about the integrity of the US about 9/11 is pervasive of the US policies. so keep doing your job.
Look it seem that the CIA is able to monitor Al-Quaida:
"We've seen nothing from any al-Qaida messaging or other indicators that would point to the death of Osama bin Laden," IntelCenter director Ben N. Venzke told The Associated Press.
Al-Qaida would likely release information of his death fairly quickly if it were true, said Venzke, whose organization also provides counterterrorism intelligence services for the American government.
"They would want to release that to sort of control the way that it unfolds. If they wait too long, they could lose the initiative on it," he said.
The last time the IntelCenter says it could be sure bin Laden was alive was June 29, when al-Qaida released an audiotape in which the terror leader eulogized the death of al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed in a U.S. airstrike in Iraq earlier that month.
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Don't apologize; this is right on.
By Is, History at Sep 23, 2006 00:35 AM
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reclassification
By Drshatterhand, Drshatterhand at Sep 19, 2006 21:01 PM
Chomsky mentions it briefly in his statement, but the link below is to an in depth article from the National Security Archive discussing the reclassification effort. Matthew Aid was the first to notice this effort to my knowledge.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB179/
Pay careful attention to the "memorandum of understanding".
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20060411/index.htm
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Sweeping statement
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 18, 2006 09:55 AM
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Yes, but...
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 18, 2006 07:41 AM
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"left gatekeeper" bullshit
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 18, 2006 05:34 AM
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Noam Chomsky is not what he seems - investigate for yourself
By Expose, Exposegatekeepers at Sep 17, 2006 15:15 PM
For Shame Mr. Chomsky! Why are you hiding the truth about 9/11? I was once a giant fan (and still am of most of what you say), but evidence leads us to something peculiar about you.
You say that investigation into who pulled off 9/11 "doesn't matter". This is insulting and disgusting, and not even Sean Hannity would say something so ridiculous.
Znet and all the other left-wing gatekeepers will be soon be exposed for the frauds they are, and 9/11 will be the piano that broke the camels back. Read this interview with Barrie Zwicker about his excellent new book, Towers of Deception: This is the author talking about what some of us have known for a while now,
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I just started this process
By Smith, Derek at Sep 06, 2006 04:28 AM
I just started this process myself. I use BibDesk for Mac OS X. It does everything I need, including managing a local copy of the document archive. It uses the LaTex bibliography format, so it was designed for scientific articles... but I just throw everything into one big folder. Between the metadata I add and the operating system's ability to search within files, I think it'll be a decent system.
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/03/AR2006090300768.html">A recent article</a> in the Washington Post discussed an organization called <a href="http://trac.syr.edu/">TRAC</a>. Looking at <a href="http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/terrorism/169/">the mentioned report</a>, it includes a section titled "<a href="http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/terrorism/169/include/side_1.html">About The Data</a>", which explains how they developed their data sets. Regardless of whether you agree with their analysis or conclusions, you may find discover some sources of information by skimming this site.
Looking at his photo, I'm fairly certain I don't know the above person.
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sources
By Goldberg, Seth at Sep 05, 2006 15:32 PM
Would some sort of annotated wiki or special blogs help? I'm thinking of cooperative annotated listings of e.g. recently declassified documents, which grow with time.
Alternatively, some sort of continuing, online course(s) at a wikiversity.
The idea is that we will eventually have to replace this aspect of Chomsky with some sort of cooperative institution, so what might it be? My own estimate is somewhere between a distributed department and a college. Presumably, a few full time equivalent "exposer analysts" should get us started.
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Recommendations?
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 05, 2006 12:34 PM
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hi derek
By Kissenger, Clark at Sep 04, 2006 01:40 AM
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It's easy with a computer,
By Smith, Derek at Sep 03, 2006 16:56 PM
It's easy with a computer, just save every document you read. Use a bibliography manager to organize and annotate the collection. Then use that software or your operating system to retrieve information.
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He's not always right. Nor is he always smarter....
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 24, 2006 20:59 PM
What he does is actually simple. He just does a lot of work in reviewing a lot of material, and from a vast array of sources. ...this is called, "Work".
The scientific method is based on gathering as much empirical evidence as possible and in doing meticulous, controlled tests. Unfortunately, there usually just aren't very many short cuts.
The best you can hope for, as he has said earlier in this chain, is by dint of hard effort and with some intuition or insight, you might be able to gather a preponderance of evidence that puts weight on one of your theories.
Moreover, his talks are an exhortation for people to do the same thing. At least to what extent you can. ...as a Deweyite, he usually says something like, "I urge you to investigate the facts of the Bretton Woods System", or these State Dept. doc's... and you will learn a lot from the process.
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Chomsky's right.
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 23, 2006 13:03 PM
As always, Noam is brilliant, and smarter than his oppressors, thanks for the question, and the dialogue.
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An Archive of Government Documents
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 23, 2006 11:20 AM
The George Washington University has a website called National Security Archive, which is an excellent source of material. You can find it at http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/
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Declassified question...
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 20, 2006 16:28 PM
First of all, I saw the movie "Chomsky: Rebel Without a Pause," and in that, Carol Chomsky, who's been Noam's life-partner (and wife) for a long, long time says much of it is simply extremely hard work by Noam. And, of course, whatever the network, how could this not be? Even if you have a world-class network of information suppliers, what happens to the info, if you don't prioritize your own study of it?
Personally, I am inspired by Noam Chomsky's long-standing reportage of his own motives and works. If you think the world's as messed up/able to be better as Chomsky does, then you have a moral obligation to work hard to increase the odds things will get better. Certainly, if the interested and talented do nothing, then chaos is the inheritance, as that is quite obviously the dominant logic of "our" societies.
Meanwhile, it is a great question. In fact, does anybody know of declassified documents regarding the state-corporate planning of the automotive infrastructures with which we're now murderously stuck? I'm thinking mostly about records of Eisenhower collusion with the businesses involved, but also Roosevelt, Truman, and even post-Eisenhower stuff...
Muchas gracias in advance...
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Notes
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 20, 2006 11:02 AM
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Just read the scholarly presses to find sources
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 20, 2006 09:46 AM
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Chomsky's network and declassified documents
By Kissenger, Clark at Aug 20, 2006 07:52 AM
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