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The Democratic Party Presidential Debate on MSNBC

By Paul Street at Apr 27, 2007


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I saw all but the first 12 minutes or so of the first Democratic Party presidential candidate “debate” on MSNBC last night.  There were two especially entertaining moments:  

* Joe Biden responding with one word (“yes”) when NBC's Brian Williams asked him (in essence) if he thought he could ever stop being a bloviating windbag.  

*  Former US Senator Mike Gravel looking at the party's top-tier candidates and saying “these people scare me” when asked why he decided to run for the presidency.   

Dennis Kucinich did a nice job I thought. He did the best he could trying to inject a measure of truth and moral honesty into the proceedings.  As part of that mission he violated core Washington and media taboos by making two basic and accurate observations:  

* The U.S. war on Iraq has killed as many as 650,000 Iraqi civilians as well as 3300 U.S. GIs. 

* U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is “about oil.” 

He also accurately noted that “every time you fund the war you reauthorize it.” Thank you, Rep. Kucinich.  That is a  welcome reflection on last Thursday's much-ballyhooed   Congressional “timetable” bill, which “sets” what the NationalJournal.com's CongressDailyPM digest calls “a nonbinding goal of withdrawing combat troops from Iraq by next March, except for troops protecting infrastructure, training Iraqi forces or conducting counterterrorism operations."    

Geez, that's one heck of a qualified “antiwar” bill the War-Criminal-in-Chief is about to veto.  

Kudos also to Kucinich for correctly pointing out that Barack Obama is threatening to wage thermonuclear war every time he says that “no military solutions should be off the table in dealing with Iran” and to former U.S. Senator Mike Gravel for accurately telling Obama the following after the Barockstar accused Iran of pursuing nuclear proliferation: “who is the greatest  violator of the Non-Proliferation Nuclear Proliferation Treaty? The United States!"

Another good thing that Kucinich did was to make what he could (in the 30 seconds or whatever he got) of the slam-dunk case for the impeachment of Darth Cheney.  The majority of the American people have known for years that Cheney, Bush and rest of the administration's foreign policy and public relations  team LIED the U.S. into the monumentally illegal and mass-murderous invasion of Iraq.  

The notion of letting the vicious messianic militarists Cheney and Bush stay in office until January 2009 is highly offensive to me. If we fail to impeach them and remove them from office – as mandated in fact by the U.S. Constitution that Kucinich held up and waved at the NBC cameras – we will never live down the disgrace.   

And we will send a terrible and dangerous message to future presidents: “you are free to break national and international law with shameless impunity without fear of serious punishment. Fee free to lie and kill at will.”     

The “debate” was a corporate media production that naturally privileged sound bites over substance (what a surprise) and gave enormous power to the MSNBC moderators relative to the candidates and the audience. Numerous “debate” questions supposedly drafted for all the candidates ended up being shut down before more than one or two candidates got to answer.   

And the degree of difficulty and “gotchya” was highly uneven in the early “elephant in the room” question that Williams gave to each candidate.  When it John Edwards' turn, Williams mentioned the $400 haircut thing (ouch) and then hit him with a tough and hard-to-anticipate query about the conflict between Edwards' declared populist sentiments and his association with a slick big-money Wall Street hedge fund.   

Don't get me wrong: Edwards deserved the question.  But the gotchya directed his way by apparent media God Brian Williams was quite high compared to the soft-toss thrown at media creation Obama.  Williams noted that Obama has been making a lot of noise about being a clean money and politics “reformer” but received a big check from Tony Rezko – a corrupt Chicago operator known for throwing his money around to politicians.   

I'm sure the question was completely anticipated in the Obama camp.  And all Obama had to do was say, in essence: “yeah, that was a mistake; we found out Rezko was a crook and gave the money back and don't make money from him anymore.  Sorry, we're not perfect.”  

Please. Rezko is a tiny and relatively irrelevant part of the rich case in support of the notion that Obama is crassly violating his noble proclamations about rejecting Big Money. I just finished an extensive article that goes into voluminous and ugly detail about the Barockstar's corporate cash nexus. Forget Tony freaking Rezko. We're talking about Goldman Sachs; Exelon (a leading Midwestern utility and the world's leading nuclear plant operator); J.P Morgan Chase & Co.;  a large number of leading corporate law and lobbying firms (including Kirkland & Ellis, Skadden Arps, and Sidley Austin LLP); top Chicago investment interests (including the heavily Pentagon-connected Henry Crown & Co and Aerial Capital Management) and the like. We're talking about the Carlyle Group and we're talking about Obama receiving more than two-thirds (68 percent) of his first quarter 2007 fundraising total “from donations of $1000 or more” (Los Angeles Times, April 22, 2007).   

If Brian Williams' writers are interested, they can look up Lynn Sweet's blog and columns at the Chicago Sun Times.  She is all over Obama's campaign finance hypocrisy like white on rice:  

* Lynn Sweet, Obama Touts Small Donor Networks But Also Relies on High End ‘Bundlers' for Millions,” Chicago Sun Times, 16 April, 2007, available online at http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/04/sweet_column_obama_ touts_ small.html 

* Lynn Sweet, “Obama's Donor Courtship,” Chicago Sun Times, 18 April 2007.   

I don't remember Williams' “elephant in the room” (gotchya) question for Hillary but whatever it was it wasn't very tough, which is why it wasn't very memorable.  

My working hypothesis is that the Democratic Party -investing corporate plutocracy knows that front-runner Hillary probably has fatal flaws that threaten to make her unelectable.  They know that the big money right-wing is salivating at the prospect of her being the candidate and probably has a whole bunch of dirt on the continuing bad behavior of her permanent adolescent husband.  

The next choice after Hill (with Kerry dead in the water and Gore probably out of the picture) would have been the handsome and articulate John Edwards but the corporate community is uncomfortable with Edwards' actually sort of populist “Two Americas” theme.  The economic royalists don't like his strong focus on class inequality and poverty and his penchant for saying things like (as I heard him declare in Cedar Rapids a few weeks ago):  

* “I'm a real Democrat, not a ‘New' Democrat.”  

* “The best anti-poverty program in American history is the labor movement.”    

Unlike Obama, Edwards doesn't flinch at the mention of single payer (Canadian-style) health insurance; he even says that his proposed health care plan “could switch over to single payer.”  That's not Dennis Kucinich's genuinely Left language (Dennis K. has a single payer bill on the floor) but it's more Left than Goldman Sachs and the like expect to hear from a presidential hopeful.  

At the same time, both Edwards and Clinton have spouse issues (Bill's probably ongoing adultery and Elizabeth's illness) that could threaten their candidacies.  

What to do? Embrace (and help create) an Overnight Barockstar – a sharp, sophisticated centrist masquerading as a “progressive”…a perfect vehicle to sow moral and ideological confusion into the bewildering morass of U.S. politics and to repackage imperial agendas behind a supposedly human face. The fact that he's technically black (though “not all that black” in white eyes) helps deepen the mystery and puzzlement among people hungry for a seriously progressive and populist alternative.   

Speaking of spouses:, that reminds me… Michelle Obama, a Harvard Law graduate like her husband, is a Vice President for Community and External Affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals, a position that paid her $273,618 in 2006. That and the nearly $ 1 million Obama has received from the medical-industrial complex between 2001 and 2006 (as reported by the Center for Responsive Politics) may be part of why the Barockstar has tended to distance himself from single payer health insurance and to denounce “government mandates” on health care. See my big article for more details and sources. 

You know some of the managerial salaries atop the U.S. health care system and especially in its hospitals – where nurse turnover is sky-high because of low pay and horrible working conditions – are just ridiculous.  They contribute to the health care crisis Barack Obama is so good at bemoaning though not so good at determining how to fix.  

For what it's worth, Michelle Obama also received $51,200 in 2006 for attending a few board meetings of TreeHouse Foods, a giant firm where she was made a director after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate (Sweet 2007a). The granting of high-pay and do-little board posts to the spouses of politicians is a longstanding tool of the “old,” corporate-dominated politics that Senator Obama claims to reject.   

TreeHouse Foods has not responded to the followng query regarding Michelle Obama's qualifications for her position on the company's board and the timing of her elevation to that position.

To info@treehousefoods.com:

Hello:

I am a journalist and author doing researching the 2008 presidential campaign. It has recently come to my attention (from the Chicago Sun Times) that presidential candidate Barack Obama's wife Michelle Obama (a) has been on your company's Board of Directors since June 2005 and (b) received $51,200 from TreeHouse Foods in 2006.

I am writing to ask four questions:

1. What duties are required of members of the Board of Directors?

2. What work did Michelle Obama perform in order to receive compensation at $51,200 in 2006?

3. Why did TreeHouse select Ms. Obama in June of 2005? What relation was there, if any, between her selection and her husband's election to the U.S. Senate in the fall of 2004?

4. What special background and qualifications did Michelle Obama possess that recommended her appointment to the Board of Directors at TreeHouse Foods?

Thank you very much for taking my questions. Thank you in advance for answering them to your best ability.

Additional thoughts at 6:15 P.M.:  

On the NBC Evening News tonight corporate media thought coordinators Brian Williams and Tim Russert didn't even bother to mention the excellent Kucinich when mentioning the “second tier” of candidates who might have picked up a little bit of traction from the debate.

According to New York Times columnist David Brooks on the PBS News Hour about 10 minutes ago, "Obama has the momentum right now.  He's virtually the front runner." Brooks is right in regard to national polls and the media, though it is interesting and relevant to note that Edwards leads in the pivotal early primary state of Iowa. One of the reasons I write on Obama as much as I do (more on that another time) is that he strikes me as having a good chance of being the Democratic candidate. I hope not and it's not about the crystal ball.  And by the way, the centrist Brooks is in centrist love with the centrist Obama. 

 

Kucinich Site  Send a campaign contribution at http://kucinich.us/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=1 

For people to the left of Obama and the right of Kucinich (I'm personally to the left of Kucinich): http://johnedwards.com/about/issues/iraq/

 

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300 years of american history..

By Kissenger, Clark at May 25, 2007 19:13 PM

street is right about obama and clinton, american won't see noticeable change of policies at all.. its a sad thing to know that the only thing 300 years of american history only brings the like of the Bush, Clinton and Obama to rule this country..

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Kucinich is just all right with me but for '08?

By Kissenger, Clark at May 09, 2007 15:50 PM

Hey Guys,How bout some more traction for a guy with heart and humor -Mike Gravel?

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The Debate

By Kissenger, Clark at May 08, 2007 11:06 AM

I liked gravel. the political situation is same here in canada where the left turn their vote doing strategic voting comes election time against the reformists ( ne0-cons) .. worst is we keep loosing election after election, harper a virtual puppet was elected.

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Follow up to Keir

By Kissenger, Clark at May 03, 2007 12:06 PM

I think DK's worth a hundred....then send $1000 or more to more worthy day-to-day causes and institutions. Of course it is a protest candidacy and the point would be for it have some positive movement building spill over not for it to suck up Left energies. I completely understand why people (including me in most elections) stay away from the polls. But the recent scary Supreme Court decision upholding federal law against partial birth abortions (even without statutory exception allowing the procedure to be used when necessary to protect the health of the woman) is one of many "little" examples of why it may matter not to have Republican presidents. It was a 5-4 decision and...all five of the majority are Roman Catholics it really pains me to say. I assume most or all of the majority were appointed by GOP presidents. Supreme Court appointments are made by presidents and I can't pull off a sense of indifference over that sort of stuff. Not sure how or why not liking politicians should equate to not paying some writing attention to politicians. The saxophone is a great instrument. I'm not into TINA but there will not be a multi-party, public funded grassroots democracy in place by November 2008. The electoral reforms required to make relevant left politics in the U.S. possible would require a Constitutional Amendment or better yet a revolution. It seems to me that the Democrats right now --- having just sent Bush a prowar bill (which the "Commander-in-Chief" immediately denounced as an antiwar bill) and now expressing their willingness to "find common ground" with a criminal White House ---- are making the case for revolution. Sign me up for the revolution. Yes Kucinich (and Gravel) can be in televised debates only on the condition that they play the role of being technically irrelevant and fodder for Jay Leno's comedy. Still, I am surprised how many people I meet who say "how about Dennis in the debate? Somebody had to say that stuff. Good for Dennis," etc. Obama is a media darling of the highest order. He just has to show up and stay cool and the line will be that his star shined bright. He may well be the selected corporate-neoliberal candidate. Hillary has fatal electability flaws and the right is laying for her. Edwards again and again says really nice things about the labor movement and has gone with this two-Americas themes --- the haves and the have nots (and yes of course he's a have) --- and obsesses over poverty and wealth inequality and so corporate America/media is just not comfortable with him. Obama hits the right notes. He is a brilliant bullshitter. There are good and scary reasons he's getting all that global-capitalist military industrial cash from Goldman Sachs and the rest (even while he claims to be rejecting the "cynical" and corrupting politics of money). The race card may work for him in the post-Civil Rights era. He knows just how to play it... to help whites feel good about themselves...to help them feel non-racist while leaving institutional white privilege fully intact. I'm doing a piece on why so many white folks love Obama. For nasty stuff in Europe, just look at the French election. Right now it's looking like a Sarko victory with the "conservative" candidate holding up the vicious arch-classist neoliberal Anglo-American model as a good thing and picking up votes from Le Pen...and the Tony Blair-admiring "socialist" candidate replacing the International with the French nationalist anthem before her speeches. At least the Trotskyist (4 percent) out-polled the Communist Party candidate. The U.S. has no monopoly on bad politics, racism and the like - that's for sure. But you don't just have more outdoor cafes over there; you have stronger welfare states and social democratic and Left parties and policies and unions etc. and you don't have what is it 90 percent of the population believing in stuff like God and religious miracles and nonsense like that. We have all these wild evangelical fascists over here; keep meanng to read Chris Hedges' book on them.

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Fair enough

By Kissenger, Clark at May 03, 2007 08:36 AM

Paul, this is good. Hope you don't mind if I hit back... Being a leftist and wanting more political options does not mean taking no interest in actually existing politics and how it operates. But it does mean creating more political options. And (I think) every hundred bucks sent to support DK or others might better be spent creating those options. DK in the White House (fat chance) probably won't create those options. I do not think blacks and labor and feminists are pathetic victims of false consciouenss when they end up voting Democratic instead of Republicans in presidential and Congressional races. True. I didn't suggest as much. But isn't it also true that poor people from all groups stay away from the polls because they see the difference as being too slim to matter? We might agree that this is their mistake, but I also wouldn't say with certainty that such people are victims of "false consciousness". I can't stand Obama at all but would I do the ballot thing "for" him over say a proto-fascist nutcase like McCain? In a contested state maybe yes, but if I did it would not mean that I [ . . . ] thought electoral politics was an especially high priority for the investment of Left energies. I know you don't like Obama, that's precisely why I'm surprised that you spend so much time on this. I don't think it's high priority, and you often say as much yourself. Dennis is an actual left-laborite peace and justice candidate. No he's not a left-anarch pareconista. I'm not a left-anarch pareconista, just a concerned saxophone player... And maybe DK "stuck with Kerry" because he understood correctly the supreme danger of Bush II and Rove et al. Admitting that danger does not mean embrace of the all-too corporate-imperial Democrats. It might just reflect attention to harsh realities. Sure, but we should be creating new realities. In a practical sense, I think your outlook on this --- you're going to hate me for this --- is TINA. Theoretically not. But practically speaking, that's how I interpret this insistence (not just yours) of dealing with "harsh realities". Thanks to an electoral world he never made, he has difficult choices to make about how to advance his ideas. I don't know how he would do as a Green; he wouldn't have been talking up de-funding and impeachment in a live candidates' debate and flustered false progressive Barockstar Obama on national television if he weren't participating in the Democratic primaries. After the debates, the MSNBC talking heads informed viewers that Obama and Hilary did very well. Everything else was a laugh or a footnote. Kucinich was over there with Gavel, two guys with no hope. I agree that it is good for DK to advance these ideas (inter-)nationally, but the paradox is that he does it as a footnote rather than a movement leader. I think you may be expressing a kind of left puritanism saying that people are not supposed to get their hands dirty with existing party politics...not supposed to work at all in existing U.S. institutions. You are an expatriate, correct? Yes, it's nasty over here. It's nasty over here too, we just have more outdoor cafes. I haven't worked in party politics, existing or otherwise, but my guess is that one's hands get much dirtier, but in a different way, creating new institutions. I'm no puritan, but I do think that since this all makes so little difference (not "no difference") anyway, we can afford to---how to put this?---be idealistic. But again, maybe I am misjudging your readership. You've done too much important, great writing, writing that has helped me personally with the "consciousness raising" bit, for me to suggest you've "signed your name in the Black Book of the Devil". I hope you don't think I have that in mind. Keir The Hague

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We don't agree

By Kissenger, Clark at May 02, 2007 13:39 PM

No we disagree on this. "I am kind of surprised to see you taking so much interest in this. At a very (very very) minimum, the US needs a variety of political parties and not the single party with two practically indistinguishable wings that it has now. Of course you know this, because you've written about it extensively." This is just too, well, alienated (or maybe just distanced or aloof or removed) for me. Being a leftist and wanting more political options does not mean taking no interest in actually existing politics and how it operates. Too close to one another does not equate to practically indistinguishable. I chew gum and walk at the same time on this and have consistently. If you look back at my writing in '04 you'll see me agreeing with Chomsky and Mike Albert that it mattered to block Bush in contested states and that it was flippant and insensitive to say zero difference. I do not think blacks and labor and feminists are pathetic victims of false consciouenss when they end up voting Democratic instead of Republicans in presidential and Congressional races. I voted Dem in 04 since I was in Iowa and it was a contested state and while I disliked the corporate-imperial Pepsi of corporate-imperial John ("Reporting for Duty") Kerry (just terrible) I concluded that Bush was proto-fascist and "messianic militarist" (Nader's description of Dubya) Crack (not just Coke) and that the "dime's bit of difference" people were in a crucial sense wrong. I saw Nader speak in Chicago in October 04 and he sort of (reading between his very clever lines) said pretty much the same thing. Supreme Court appointments (for example) matter, as the recent ominous abortion decision suggests. I can't stand Obama at all but would I do the ballot thing "for" him over say a proto-fascist nutcase like McCain? In a contested state maybe yes, but if I did it would not mean that I (a) was no longer a left libertarian; (b) was no longer commtitted to a fundamental remake of the U.S. electoral system to move it off corporate-plutocratic narrow-spectrum Winner Take All that produces this quadrennial intraleftist bloodletting discussion; and even (c) thought electoral politics was an especially high priority for the investment of Left energies. "I just don't see the necessity of Paul Street encouraging people to send cash to anyone in the Democratic Party. I was a strong supporter of Kucinich's ideas before he joined the campaign in 2004. Later, I did support his campaign (no cash though, that's crazy). But once he decided to 'stick with the Democrats' and Kerry I really lost interest." Dennis is an actual left-laborite peace and justice candidate. No he's not a left-anarch pareconista. A hundred dollars for the guy whose doing what he can to use the existing narrow spectrum process to talk for de-funding the war now, about crimes against Iraqis (as well as Americans), about/for single-payer health insurance (Canadian model)...is "crazy?" Sorry, something here just does not compute. Maybe I have more cash to throw around than you; maybe not. And maybe DK "stuck with Kerry" because he understood correctly the supreme danger of Bush II and Rove et al. Admitting that danger does not mean embrace of the all-too corporate-imperial Democrats. It might just reflect attention to harsh realities. "I think a Kucinich Green (or whatever) campaign could galvanize many more people than Nader managed. Perhaps. But we'll never know, because Kucinich's allegiance is inexplicably first to the Democrats, and second to his good ideas. That's just dumb. And demonstrably counter-productive." I don't think there's any basis for that assertion about Kucinich's allegiances. He's one of just 8 or so Democratic Congressman that voted against the House's war funding ("timetable") bill and part of a minority that will discuss impeachment and advance single payer. Thanks to an electoral world he never made, he has difficult choices to make about how to advance his ideas. I don't know how he would do as a Green; he wouldn't have been talking up de-funding and impeachment in a live candidates' debate and flustered false progressive Barockstar Obama on national television if he weren't participating in the Democratic primaries. I think you may be expressing a kind of left puritanism saying that people are not supposed to get their hands dirty with existing party politics...not supposed to work at all in existing U.S. institutions. You are an expatriate, correct? Yes, it's nasty over here. "From our perspective (ours, i.e. those in the larger "community of people committed to social change" ZNet exemplifies) we can and must do better than recommending sending our cash to Kucinich (or Edwards...!)." Sending our cash? Hold on. I'm not telling people to wire their net worth to Kucinich. We're talking $50 - $100 here. Or nothing. But this gets silly because it falsely assumes that I said that supporting Dennis was the end-all and only thing to do or even the main thing to do. I didn't do that. I just said that Dennis said some good stuff and here's a link to send him some money to help him use his little space in the primaries to talk about de-funding, impeachment and single-payer etc. "Maybe it's a matter of your audience . . . but I value your work too much not to say you are 'off message' when I think you are. You often mention walking and chewing gum at the same time, but going from (great, useful) posts like the one about War Tax resistance to promoting certain Democrats 18 months ahead of time (a favor you can expect to never have returned) is, to my mind, over the top." Yes again on walking and chewing. You bet. And this blog is fairly ghettoized in all honesty so I don't think there's much promoting going on here. ZNet put up a favorable piece explicitly for DK ("The Case for Kucinich") a while back...that'a a bigger deal than me saying some favorable things about him in a blog post about the MSNBC debate. "I did watch the phoney debate in its entirety on the web. Totally, one hundred percent irrelevant. Can we make it so?" I spoke against the War and the Democrats' fake "antiwar" bill on May Day in Iowa City. Talking to people later I found they felt pleased and energized that Kucinich used that little space to authentially advance war de-funding, impeachment and single payer. They are understandably pissed at Edwards' foreign policy statements but see a substantive domestic social policy difference between (1) Edwards and (2) Barack/Hillary. Its the same difference that Goldman Sachs et al. (and for what its worth Kucinich) see; it's not enough but it's not irrelevant and acknowledging such distinctions does not mean that one has signed their name in the Black Book of the Devil.

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Democrats?

By Kissenger, Clark at May 02, 2007 11:24 AM

Paul, a rare criticism: I am kind of surprised to see you taking so much interest in this. At a very (very very) minimum, the US needs a variety of political parties and not the single party with two practically indistinguishable wings that it has now. Of course you know this, because you've written about it extensively. I just don't see the necessity of Paul Street encouraging people to send cash to anyone in the Democratic Party. I was a strong supporter of Kucinich's ideas before he joined the campaign in 2004. Later, I did support his campaign (no cash though, that's crazy). But once he decided to "stick with the Democrats" and Kerry I really lost interest. I think a Kucinich Green (or whatever) campaign could galvanize many more people than Nader managed. Perhaps. But we'll never know, because Kucinich's allegiance is inexplicably first to the Democrats, and second to his good ideas. That's just dumb. And demonstrably counter-productive. From our perspective (ours, i.e. those in the larger "community of people committed to social change" ZNet exemplifies) we can and must do better than recommending sending our cash to Kucinich (or Edwards...!). Maybe it's a matter of your audience . . . but I value your work too much not to say you are "off message" when I think you are. You often mention walking and chewing gum at the same time, but going from (great, useful) posts like the one about War Tax resistance to promoting certain Democrats 18 months ahead of time (a favor you can expect to never have returned) is, to my mind, over the top. Home with a cold on Sunday, I did watch the phoney debate in its entirety on the web. Totally, one hundred percent irrelevant. Can we make it so? Keir The Hague

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Was this question asked?

By Dmx, Dmx at May 02, 2007 11:00 AM

Did anyone ask the candidates if they could admit that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the White House to set up invasion of Iraq?

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Impeachment opinion: Tell them to do the poll and report it

By Kissenger, Clark at Apr 29, 2007 00:42 AM

Suyi E you mentioned public desire for Bush's impeachment. Anyone who knows any actual polls/surveys on that is encouraged to send links/references. MSNBC (I think) did an unscientific online survey (maybe still ongoing) in which it was like 90 percent for impeachment but it seems like real pollsters have not been excited about doing the topic. At 28 percent popularity, you'd think support for removal of Bush would be quite high. Here's some material: At http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14897: By David Swanson This Newsweek article gives one hell of a spin to its effort not to report what it is reporting, namely that a Newsweek poll finds a majority of Americans wanting impeachment, and half of Democrats wanting it to be a top priority. Read this a few times until you figure out what it's saying: "Other parts of a potential Democratic agenda receive less support, especially calls to impeach Bush: 47 percent of Democrats say that should be a “top priority,” but only 28 percent of all Americans say it should be, 23 percent say it should be a lower priority and nearly half, 44 percent, say it should not be done. (Five percent of Republicans say it should be a top priority and 15 percent of Republicans say it should be a lower priority; 78 percent oppose impeachment.)" The Newsweek article to which Swanson refers: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15357623/site/newsweek/page/2/ At http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/18164 you can read the following: Newsweek Would Like to Reduce You to a Spectator Submitted by davidswanson on Mon, 2007-02-05 17:19. Media Having determined that a majority of Americans favor impeachment, Newsweek has stopped asking that question and begun asking this one: At this point in time, do you personally wish that George W. Bush's presidency was over, or don't you feel this way? 58% Total Yes, wish it was over 21% Rep 86% Dem 59% Ind 37% Total No, do not 75% Rep 12% Dem 36% Ind 5% Total Don't know/Refused 4% Rep 2% Dem 5% Ind The NEWSWEEK poll, conducted Jan. 24-25, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. In conducting the poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates International interviewed 1,003 adults aged 18 and older. An commenter on the second post says this: Re: Newsweek polling 2007-02-05 19:16. "I just emailed Newsweek suggesting a question that directly asks whether or not respondents favor impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney." Newsweek email address: WebEditors@newsweek.com

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Maybe I should have watched

By Kissenger, Clark at Apr 28, 2007 14:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBS4SWC-BY8

On one hand, if the system actually worked like promised, then public desire would have gotten Bush impeached already. On the other hand, Chavez, Allende etc keeping confronting me with the possibilities...

Digressing into pop culture: Have you heard about the DMZ comic. Nothing radical, it's hampered by most of the biases to be found in the left-liberal (e.g the Nation) media, but intriguing nonetheless.

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By Kissenger, Clark at Apr 28, 2007 13:01 PM

And we will send a terrible and dangerous message to future presidents: “you are free to break national and international law with shameless impunity without fear of serious punishment. Fee free to lie and kill at will.” if americans elect one more of such president , I cut the map at the canadian border and send the US adrift in the ocean.. we would be better off with mexico , cuba and the rest of the latinos countries..

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