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"The Israel Factor"

By David Peterson at Mar 03, 2007


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   I think the Junior Senator from the State of Illinois
   is the subject of far too much unfair criticism for
   being, as they say, a novice at foreign affairs. His
   speech last November before the Chicago Council
   on Global Affairs ("
A Way Forward in Iraq"), and
   then again yesterday, March 2, before the Midwest
  
regional forum of the American Israel Public Affairs
   Committee, showed exactly which cows he and his
   handlers hold sacred, and which enemies a serious candidate is supposed to decry.
   As Haaretz's
Shmuel Rosner noted some time ahead of Obama's performance, in a ranking of the 24 U.S. presidential candidates (some of whom already have dropped out, while others never really entered in the first place) in terms of how good or how bad their victory in November 2008 might prove for Israel, Obama comes in around the middle of the pack, and light-years behind the two leading Republican contenders (Rudy Giuliani and John McCain), and almost as far behind the Democrat who appears to be his most serious rival, Hillary Clinton. 

"What is it about Obama that makes them uncomfortable about his possible future attitude toward Israel?" Rosner asked.

In this case, the them happens to refer to the eight panelists who, at Haaretz's behest, periodically offer their rankings of U.S. presidential figures in relation to Israel.  On the basis of these rankings an average is determined.  The so-called "Israel Factor" is what Haaretz calls this semi-regular ranking of U.S. presidential figures.

As Rosner explained it, the consensus among the panelists had been that Obama's track-record on Israel is too short for them to feel comfortable ranking him any higher.  "Obama has not been deaf to such suspicions.  And now that he is not just a 'possible candidate' but an officially declared one, he will try to fix these perceptions."  Hence, Obama's March 2 address before AIPAC - Chicago, which one embarrassingly Obamamized writer at the Chicago Sun-Times previewed as "his vision for Israel and the Mideast."

It's worth noting what lines from Obama's speech Associated Press, the Chicago Sun-Times, and the Chicago Tribune selected as the focus of their reports -- presumably because these were the lines that stirred the emotions among his largely Jewish-American gallery.  Not so much anything about Israel as everything about Iran, a country literally surrounded by the U.S. and NATO-bloc militaries, and yet a country whose regime Obama singled out as "a threat to all of us."  While the word 'Israel' appeared 37 different times in the prepared text of Obama's March 2 speech that his staff placed in circulation over the wire services, the word 'Iran' turned up no fewer than 28 times -- and never in any role other than that of a threat to the peace. -- How's that for coming off "as strong as Clinton, as supportive as Bush, as friendly as Giuliani. At least rhetorically, Obama passed any test anyone might have wanted him to pass. So, he is pro-Israel. Period." 

In Barack Obama's universe, you see, Iran is guilty of having seen its "strategic position" strengthened as a "consequence of the Administration's failed strategy in Iraq."

In Barack Obama's universe, "one of the greatest threats to the United States, Israel and world peace [is] Iran."

According to Barack Obama, "Iran's President Ahmadinejad's regime is a threat to all of us. His words contain a chilling echo of some of the world's most tragic history."

And in Barack Obama's universe, "history has a terrible way of repeating itself."

President Ahmadinejad has denied the Holocaust. He held a conference in his country, claiming it was a myth. But we know the Holocaust was as real as the 6 million who died in mass graves at Buchenwald, or the cattle cars to Dachau or whose ashes clouded the sky at Auschwitz. We have seen the pictures. We have walked the halls of the Holocaust museum in Washington and Yad Vashem. We have touched the tattoos on loved-ones arms. After 60 years, it is time to deny the deniers.

In the 21st century, it is unacceptable that a member state of the United Nations would openly call for the elimination of another member state. But that is exactly what he has done. Neither Israel nor the United States has the luxury of dismissing these outrages as mere rhetoric.

The world must work to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy. And while we should take no option, including military action, off the table, sustained and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions should be our primary means to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons.

Iranian nuclear weapons would destabilize the region and could set off a new arms race. Some nations in the region, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, could fall away from restraint and rush into a nuclear contest that could fuel greater instability in the region--that's not just bad for the Middle East, but bad for the world, making it a vastly more dangerous and unpredictable place. Other nations would feel great pressure to accommodate Iranian demands. Terrorist groups with Iran's backing would feel emboldened to act even more brazenly under an Iranian nuclear umbrella. And as the A.Q. Kahn network in Pakistan demonstrated, Iran could spread this technology around the world.

To prevent this worst-case scenario, we need the United States to lead tough-minded diplomacy.

This includes direct engagement with Iran similar to the meetings we conducted with the Soviets at the height of the Cold War, laying out in clear terms our principles and interests. Tough-minded diplomacy would include real leverage through stronger sanctions. It would mean more determined U.S diplomacy at the United Nations. It would mean harnessing the collective power of our friends in Europe who are Iran's major trading partners. It would mean a cooperative strategy with Gulf States who supply Iran with much of the energy resources it needs. It would mean unifying those states to recognize the threat of Iran and increase pressure on Iran to suspend uranium enrichment. It would mean full implementation of U.S. sanctions laws. And over the long term, it would mean a focused approach from us to finally end the tyranny of oil, and develop our own alternative sources of energy to drive the price of oil down.

We must also persuade other nations such as Saudi Arabia to recognize common interests with Israel in dealing with Iran. We should stress to the Egyptians that they help the Iranians and do themselves no favors by failing to adequately prevent the smuggling of weapons and cash by Iran into Gaza.

The United States' leverage is strengthened when we have many nations with us. It puts us in a place where sanctions could actually have a profound impact on Iran's economy. Iran is highly dependent on imports and foreign investment, credit and technology. And an environment where our allies see that these types of investments in Iran are not in the world's best interests, could help bring Iran to the table.  

AIPAC Policy Conference 2007, March 11 - 13, 2007

Obama '08 (Homepage)
"A Way Forward in Iraq," Barack Obama, November 20, 2006
"AIPAC Policy Forum," Barack Obama, March 2, 2007

The Israel Factor: Ranking the U.S. Presidential Candidates (Homepage), Haaretz
"Obama will soon make the case that he'll be as strong on Israel as anyone," Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Blog
"In AIPAC speech, Obama repeats support for Israel, peace talks," Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz, March 3, 2007
"
Obama Supports Israel.  Period," Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Blog

"Obama to offer pro-Israel views at Chicago gathering," Lynn Sweet, Chicago Sun-Times, March 1, 2007
"
Obama Will Seek To Convince Aipac That He Is a True Friend of Israel," Josh Gerstein, New York Sun, March 2, 2007 
"
Obama Calls Iranian Regime a 'Threat'," Deanna Bellandi,  Associated Press, March 2, 2007 (as posted to ABC News online)
"Obama: Iran threatens all of us," Dave Newbart, Chicago Sun-Times, March 3, 2007
"Obama calls Iran a threat to world peace," John McCormick, Chicago Tribune, March 3, 2007

"How Barack Obama learned to love Israel," Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada,  March 4, 2007
"A Horse of a Different Color: Obama, the Lobby, and the next war," Justin Raimondo, Anti-War.com, March 5, 2007
"Obama Pivots Away from Dovish Past," Larry Cohler, Jewish Week, March 8, 2007
"Clinton and Obama Court Jewish Vote," Patrick Healy, New York Times, March 14, 2007
"Inside America's powerful Israel lobby," Gregory Levey, Salon, March 16, 2007 
"Obama Rebuffs Soros," Eli Lake, New York Sun, March 21, 2007
 
"Cash bonanza for 2008 presidential race," Laura Smith-Spark, BBC International, April 5, 2007

"Israel in the U.S. Empire," Bashir Abu-Manneh, Monthly Review, March, 2007 

"Great White Hope," ZNet, August 16, 2004
"
Barack Obama and the Clash of Civilizations," ZNet, September 27, 2004 
"'A Way Forward in Iraq'," ZNet, November 21, 2006
"'The Israel Factor'," ZNet, March 3, 2007
 

"Hegemony and Appeasement: Setting Up the Next Target for the 'Supreme International Crime'," Edward S. Herman and David Peterson, ElectricPolitics.com, January 29, 2007 

Update (April 1, 2007): Not to beat a dead horse -- but let's swing away: The Democratic Party is in the crapper.

See below, where I'll reproduce the transcript (# 040101CN.V47) of the U.S. Cable News Network's April 1, 2007 interview with Illinois Senator Barack Obama. -- We may as well start speaking of the Iran Factor

………… BLITZER: Welcome back to "Late Edition." I'm Wolf Blitzer in New York today.

Some say Senator Barack Obama lacks the experience to deal with the tough questions of what to do in Iraq, how to handle a confrontation with Iran. I had the chance to sit down with him this week in his Senate office. We discussed those issues.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BLITZER: And joining us now on Capitol Hill, Senator Barack Obama.

Senator, thanks very much for inviting us into your office.

OBAMA: Thank you for having me.

BLITZER: Let's talk about the dominant issue right now affecting the country, the war in Iraq.

OBAMA: Right.

BLITZER: Some of your critics say you have not done enough to stop this war since coming into the United States Senate.

What do you say?

OBAMA: Well, I'm very proud of the fact that I was against this war from the start. I thought that it was ill-conceived, and not just in terms of execution, but also conception.

What I also said way back in 2002 is, once we were in, we were going to have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in, and that we had some obligations to the Iraqi people, as well as the national security interests of the United States, to make sure that we handled an exit properly.

And that's what I have tried to be consistently projecting over the last two years of my time in the Senate.

BLITZER: Let me point out what you said back in 2003. And I'll give you the exact quote.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Just this week, when I was asked, would I have voted for the $87 billion, I said no. And I said no unequivocally, because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we are not going to stand a chance.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: You said no then. But, since then, you voted for funding the war.

OBAMA: Well, that $87 billion, I had a very particular concern. And that was, you had $20 billion worth of reconstruction funds that were given out on a no-bid basis. And, as a consequence, I was concerned that you would not see that money spent effectively.

BLITZER: That was largely for Halliburton.

OBAMA: That's exactly right.

And, since that time, we have discovered that in fact the money wasn't spent wisely. We still have $9 billion that's missing somewhere in Iraq that we still aren't clear about. Some of those procedures were tightened in the votes that I took.

But, most importantly, I have said consistently that I think it's important, if we're sending our young men and women into battle, that they have got all the resources they need to come back home safely and also to execute their mission.

BLITZER: Because some ardent opponents of the war, like Dennis Kucinich, for example, who is a Democratic presidential candidate...

OBAMA: Right.

BLITZER: ... he takes a principled stand. He's not going to vote to fund troops going off to this war, because he believes that would help bring the troops home.

OBAMA: Right.

You know, the problem is, is that you have got an obstinate administration that has shown itself unwilling to change in the face of circumstances on the ground.

And, in that situation, what you don't want to do is to play chicken with the president, and create a situation in which, potentially, you don't have body armor, you don't have reinforced humvees, you don't have night-vision goggles.

Now, there is a ratcheting-up of pressure on the president. And I am very pleased about the vote that took place yesterday, where a majority of the Senate for the first time said we need to have a timetable.

BLITZER: But he says he is going to veto that right now.

OBAMA: I understand.

BLITZER: And there is a game of chicken going on right now.

OBAMA: I understand that he says he is going to veto it. There is no doubt he will veto it. But what you are starting to see, I think, is a bipartisan movement in the direction of having a clear endgame.

And I am very pleased that the bill that I presented back in January calling for a phased withdrawal starting on May 1 of this year, with the aim of getting all combat troops out by March 31 of next year, that many of the elements in that bill ended up being part of this package that was voted on yesterday.

BLITZER: If the president does veto it, as he vows he will, what do you do next?

OBAMA: Well, I think we continue to put these votes up to the Senate. We put more pressure on many Republican colleagues of mine, who I think recognize that the Bush approach has not worked, but are still unwilling to put pressure on their president.

BLITZER: Because he says the money starts drying up in mid- April...

OBAMA: Right.

BLITZER: ... for the troops to head over to Iraq.

OBAMA: Right. I think that we continue to put a series of votes up and try to convince our colleagues on the Republican side that the only way that we are going to change circumstances in Iraq is if you see a different political dynamic; that there are, at this point, no military solutions to the problems in Iraq; that what we have to do is get the Shia, the Sunni, the Kurd to come together and say to themselves "We, in fact, are willing to start making some compromises around oil revenues, around the arming of militias and so on."

In the absence of that, we can send 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops, we're not going to see a significant change.

BLITZER: Yesterday, I interviewed Republican presidential candidate John McCain and he said this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCCAIN: Failure is catastrophe. Failure is genocide. Failure means we come back. Failure means they follow us home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: What if he's right? What if he's right, and what you're proposing and a lot of Democrats are proposing results in genocide in Iraq?

OBAMA: Well, look, what you have right now is chaos in Iraq. After having spent hundreds of billions of dollars, after seeing close to 3,200 lives lost, what you now see is chaos. And there's no end in sight.

Now, John McCain may believe that it's an option for us to maintain an indefinite occupation of Iraq, regardless what happens in terms of the politics within Iraq, so that we're, every year, sending $100 billion over to Iraq, so that, every year, we're seeing hundreds or thousands of young Americans dying, so that we continue to see a deterioration of America's standing in the world.

I don't think that serves the best interests of the United States. And I don't think it will ultimately result in the kind of...

BLITZER: So...

OBAMA: ... stabilization in Iraq that's necessary.

Now, these are judgment calls. I don't question John McCain's sincerity in believing that the approach that he wants to take, which is essentially a continuation of Bush policies over the last six years, are the right ones to take.

BLITZER: If you're president of the United States in January of 2009, and the situation is basically the same in Iraq as it is right now...

OBAMA: Right.

BLITZER: ... what would be your immediate first step?

OBAMA: Well, the bill that I put in I think...

BLITZER: But assuming that bill doesn't go in.

OBAMA: No, no, but I think assuming that things are the same, I think the same dynamic will be at work, which is to say we're going to pull out our combat troops out of Iraq in a phased, systematic way, that we continue to provide the Iraqi government with logistical and training support, that we have those forces over the horizon to respond to crises that spill over into the remainder of the region.

And most importantly, we have an aggressive diplomatic initiative with those countries in the region to make sure that we are part of a broader conversation about how can we stabilize Iraq and stabilize the region?

BLITZER: You're president of the United States...

OBAMA: Right?

BLITZER: ... 15 American sailors and Marines are captured by Iranians, the Revolutionary Guard in the northern Persian Gulf, and they're held. What do you do?

OBAMA: Well, I think that the British obviously are taking the prudent steps that are required, sending a strong, unequivocal message to the Iranians that they have to release these British soldiers. I think that they are handling it in the appropriate way.

You know, my sense is that the Iranians are going to stand down fairly soon, but, look, one of the obligations of the commander in chief is to make sure that our troops are protected, wherever they're projected around the world.

BLITZER: So if they were to hold them, let's say, for 444 days -- Iranians have held Americans hostage for a long period of time -- what, do you just let them be held there?

OBAMA: No, you don't. I think you take firm action to make sure that those troops are returned.

BLITZER: You want to be specific?

OBAMA: You know, I think that it's important to say that all options, including military, would be on the table in such a circumstance.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BLITZER: Senator Barack Obama, speaking with me earlier in the week. Up next, in case you missed it, "Late Edition's Sunday morning talk show roundup. Find out what White House Counselor Dan Bartlett has to say about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's trip to Syria.

We'll be right back. …. [END]

 

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I think in every story there

By Co, Norvasc at Jun 14, 2007 15:10 PM

I think in every story there are two sides and in this case i don't think there really are any innocents.

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poor Iran

By R., Salman at Mar 16, 2007 08:29 AM

If only those dastardly Israelis would roll over and die the poor Iranians would be so peace loving and happy.

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great men think alike....

By Dxcjt, Denk at Mar 10, 2007 18:39 PM

you and william blum i mean,

as the man says, "it might as well be written into the job description"

may be they should spell it out upfront, "man with conscience need not apply".

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perhaps it has something to do with a certain five year plan?

By Dxcjt, Denk at Mar 10, 2007 18:02 PM

If a US government starts showing a munificent concern for your wellbeing, it's time to dig a bomb shelter.

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Obama

By Beringer-Newlin, Gretchen at Mar 09, 2007 10:43 AM

Paul,

Yes you have written about Obama and I thank you very much for sticking to the issues. So what if he's a "nice guy." They said the same thing about Ted Bundy! And good Germans could gas Jews, go home, have a picnic in the backyard, hug and kiss their kids - all in one day!

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political leaders propensity for cruelty

By Beringer-Newlin, Gretchen at Mar 09, 2007 10:36 AM

I have been saying and thinking the same things: Power isn't corrupting these people, they have pre-existing corruptibility and The Money finds and nurtures them.

Obama, like all politicians who get the money support they need to run, hide behind their public charisma, hoping no one will notice who they really are. I and another local peace group member continually have to set the record straight on some of these fakes. The Boston Globe ran a piece recently by Johathan Saltzman and Michael Levenson that was pure fluff - all about what a great guy Obama is, nothing of substance. Members of our group were elated, forwarded the article all around. We had to send them Obama's speech to AIPAC and include a paragraph of what it actually means.

Another thing, it's human nature for these charismatic politicians to finagle their way into politics and get some power and money for themselves. That's the way this game is played. It's also human nature to resist and restrict them. As long as everyone accepts the game's rules (set by the game's rulers) we'll continue down this dark path.

My son, who is high functioning autistic (very logical thinker, however) says there is probably a positive correlation between "charisma" and corruptibility. I wonder.

-smallbird

 

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RE: "The Politics of Naming"

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 09, 2007 09:10 AM

To the Editor of the London Review of Books:

In his powerful commentary ("The Politics of Naming," LRB, March 8), Mahmood Mamdani asks: "[H]ow does one explain the fact that the focus of the most widespread and ambitious humanitarian movement in the US is on Darfur and not on Kivu?"

Mamdani's answer is that "Unlike Kivu, Darfur can be neatly integrated into the War on Terror, for Darfur gives the Warriors on Terror a valuable asset with which to demonise an enemy: a genocide perpetrated by Arabs."

I believe this answer has a great deal of merit.  Ultimately, however, it is only partly true. 

The reason there is a massive Save Darfur Coalition, but nothing comparable in the way of a Save Kivu (Congo) Coalition, is less that Darfur serves to channel human interest away from the Congo, or even to channel it into the "War on Terror."

Rather, the reason the crisis in Darfur by late 2003 had become what one phony moralist in the States later called a "cause celebre in America"[1] was to channel human interest away from the death and destruction caused by the U.S. and U.K. aggression against Iraq.

In the U.S. and U.K., decrying and organizing around an alleged "genocide perpetrated by Arabs"[2] in the western Sudan fits nicely with the failure to decry and organize around the crimes of the Americans and British in Iraq.  Mamdani notes, for example, the UN Commission of Inquiry on Darfur, established by the Security Council in late 2004.  But where is the Security Council's commission of inquiry into the U.S. - U.K. war?  Where is the inquiry to determine whether any member of the U.S. and U.K. governments might be responsible for ordering this "supreme international crime"? 

In the U.S. and U.K., the noise about "genocide" in Darfur belongs to this historical context.  The channeling of emotions into Darfur is best understood as a monumental case of Iraq-avoidance.  Nor is it likely there will be a Save Iraq Coalition anytime soon.

David Peterson
Chicago, USA 

  1. "The Sudanese government could hardly have predicted that an obscure, inaccessible Muslim region like Darfur would become a cause celebre in America." Samantha Power, "Dying in Darfur," New Yorker, August 30, 2004, par. 85. 
  2. For a classic expression of this line, see Shlomo Avineri, " Darfur - exposing Arab goals for what they are," Jerusalem Post, August 3, 2004

 

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No -- Something Dead-On

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 09, 2007 06:13 AM

SK:

Great stuff.  Thanks for sharing it.

"The Politics of Naming: Genocide, Civil War, Insurgency," Mahmood Mamdani, London Review of Books,  March 8, 2007

"Genocide" ("crimes against humanity," and so on) is so much sexier than "weapons of mass destruction."  Don't you agree?  By this stage, the American political culture is so degenerate, we very well might be able to divide it, without committing any injustice to the truth, into two major groups, neither of which line up with any of the Democratic/Republican or liberal/conservative shibboleths: Those Americans who need to tell themselves that when they kill, they are doing it in order to prevent "genocide" (and the like -- to smite the "genocidaires" (etc.)); and those Americans who on the other hand need to tell themselves they kill to protect the Homeland, to prevent evil regimes from acquiring "weapons of mass destruction," to advance the "national interest," and so on.

(Evidently, the Junior Senator from the State of Illinois wants to straddle both camps.)

David Peterson
Chicago, USA

 

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Something completely different

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 09, 2007 03:18 AM

FYI, something written by an African for a change about Darfur.


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What's with this focus on Israel all the time ?

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 08, 2007 17:52 PM

It's amazing how it always comes back to Israel. We are talking about Obama here, there are SO many issues we could be talking about, what is most important.... ISRAEL !! A country with ONLY 6 million people or so. The size of Vermont. We should be talking about China (1.3 billion people, $1 trillion in foreign currency, etc.) or Saudi Arabia (tops in oil reserves). As if the whole world revolves around this country. Listening to Jordan's king in Congress, he basically blames all the problems in the middle east on... ISRAEL !! Yes, Sunni and Shiite are blowing up kids and schools in Iraq, and Sudan is killing blacks in Darfur because of... ISRAEL !! Enough with this obsession. There are SO many other more important issues, more countries with major problems and people's with greater grievances. Let's talk about something else !

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positive change

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 08, 2007 15:41 PM

I dont know, it does look likes that the only positive change in politics touching the US is a change of business like suits. dem and rep are singing the same tunes with a few variables..over and over.

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RE: "The Israel Factor"

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 08, 2007 07:06 AM

Friends:

Take a look at this assessment of the candidate's performance before AIPAC on March 2:

"Obama Pivots Away from Dovish Past," Larry Cohler, Jewish Week, March 8, 2007  

David Peterson
Chicago, USA 

 

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Yes, any team, same cows

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 07, 2007 19:02 PM

David, my comment was a response to Matthew Spears at 2007-03-06 18:21, and unfortunately not as precise as Street's above. It seemed to me Spears may think this is about bashing on a single imperfection in an otherwise perfect candidate. One thing I would add to Paul's astute comment about walking and chewing gum at the same time is the (obvious for most of this crowd) idea that electoral politics ought to be considered third- (or fourth-, or fifth-) tier activities for anyone really committed to change. Keir The Hague

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RE: "What's This About?" (Tue, 2007-03-06 19:45)

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 07, 2007 18:01 PM

Keir: I think it's "about" exactly what I expressed in my second sentence: Team Obama knows exactly which cows a serious presidential candidate is supposed to hold sacred, and which enemies one is supposed to decry. David Peterson Chicago, USA

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False Dichotomy, Matthew Spears

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 07, 2007 16:33 PM

You've set up a false dichotomy Mr. Spears: (1) tell the basic truth (for God's sake) about a business class politician (in this B.O.)OR (you seem to think) (2) work for positive change. What nonsense! One can do both (1) and (2) at the same time...like walking and chewing gum. There is very little repetition in the writings I've seen (and done) on the left about Obama. There's next to nothing about Israel, for example, in the articles I've done (there should have been but there wasn't). There's plenty more to write on Obama from a left perspective. Black Agenda Report just did a first rate piece on the Hillary-Barockstar drive-by of Brown Chapel and I'm going to flesh out something on Obama's education statements, which are very misleading and problematic --- another reminder (among many) for leftists not to get seduced by all this madness and especially by the Barockstar.

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"About time"

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 07, 2007 10:48 AM

"About time somebody writes about Obama's actual policies instead of how well he handles himself, or how good his speeches are." Pangaea, with all due respect, I've written at length about Obama from a left perspective: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11936 http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2006-06/16street.cfm http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/street0207.html The linking function is currently down so giving the URLs is the best I can do right now. There's more on the left about Obama.

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And once elected....

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 07, 2007 08:32 AM

And once elected they do and say what they must get the money to stay elected. So we should forgive them that as well, I suppose. Even as they shit on the world to stay in office, we should recognise that their hearts are in the right place. Right. Excuse me while I dodge that flying pig. It's not a matter of imperfection, it's a matter of criminal behaviour. It's not a matter of making necessary compromises, it's a matter of participating in the systematic destruction of America, the environment and the criminal expansion of the Empire. As someone has said (apologies for not remembering who), a country cannot be both a democracy and an Empire. They are opposing institutions by nature. A democracy listens to the voice of the people. An Empire does not care what the people want, nor what the polls say, nor how many protestors stand up. What people like Obama are doing is not making compromise, nor is it exhibiting personal imperfection, nor is it doing what they must to get into a position of influence so that they can change the system. No! Plainly spoken, it is simply deciding between America as a Democracy and America as an Empire. And Obama has now clearly stood up on the side of Empire. And in making that decision he has come down on the side of amoral criminal activity, aggressive military expansionism, cavalier and criminaly negligent disregard of the clear and present danger of climate change and the heartless economic oppression of a world in desperate need of principled and enlightened leadership, not armed thugs. Obama in my mind is now officially a thug and to be treated with no more respect than any dangerous street mongrel.

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you seem to miss out on the most important prerequisite......

By Dxcjt, Denk at Mar 07, 2007 04:13 AM

 


" Yes, American leaders are different from you and me.   No, the lesson here is not that power corrupts and dehumanizes. Neither is it that US foreign policy is cruel because American leaders are cruel.
      It's that these leaders are cruel because only those willing and able to be inordinately cruel and remorseless can hold positions of leadership in the foreign policy establishment; <a href="http://members.aol.com/superogue/intro.htm">it might as well be written into the job description. </a>People capable of expressing a full human measure of compassion and empathy toward faraway powerless strangers -- let alone American soldiers -- do not become president of the United States, or vice president, or secretary of state, or secretary of defense, or national security advisor, or attorney general, or secretary of the treasury. Nor do they particularly want to.
      There's a sort of Peter Principle at work here. Laurence Peter wrote that in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence. Perhaps we can postulate that in a foreign policy establishment committed to imperialist domination by any means necessary, employees tend to rise to the level of cruelty they can't live with. "

[ william blum,]

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What's this about?

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 06, 2007 18:45 PM

The way I read it, David's post was really about Israel policy, not Obama per se. It's probably true that speaking honestly about anything would lose a corporate-sponsored politician her/his seat. But it's ridiculous to recommend not "bashing" them for their perceived dishonesty*. What a horrendous suggestion. How about we applaud them for their spinelessness? Or shower them with campaign contributions for their obvious derangement? *(Personally, I think when it comes to support for the Israeli government, people like Obama and Clinton might actually---cringe---believe what their speechwriters come up with. They dance too well for AIPAC not to . . . . . . What? Me angry?) Keir The Hague

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Obama

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 05, 2007 16:21 PM

Good piece David. About time somebody writes about Obama's actual policies instead of how well he handles himself, or how good his speeches are. Hitler was good at that, too. This just confirms to me that this is not a man any sane person would want in the White House. Better than Bush? Sure. Any lunatic is. The sad thing is that Obama is probably the least bad candidate of the "front runners". That says quite a bit about where on the political spectrum you have to be to have a fighting chance of becoming US president. 1. You have to sell out to corporations and powerful interests 2. You have to 'support' Israel (meaning not support peace in the region) 3. You have to be a jingoist. 4. You have to support the rich, and not the poor. 5. You must instinctively know how to use double-speak and Orwellian language. These are just 5 requirements. There are many others, but these are quite important. Pangaea Oslo, Norway

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THIS IS SHOW-ME-YOUR-TEETH, LOOK-AT-THAT-MUSCLE ,

By Russell, Mariam at Mar 05, 2007 13:17 PM

SHOW-ME-HOW-WELL-YOU-DANCE, CAN-YOU-LIE-WITH-A-POKER-FACE, AUCTION BLOCK TIME FOR CANDIDATES, AND HAS VERY LITTLE BEARING ON ANYTHING EXCEPT WHOSE MONEY AND HOW MUCH OF THEY CAN GATHER IN.

We, the US voter, have not only tolerated this, we have voted for it, so why whine about it?  

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At least one of Haaretz's

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 04, 2007 14:13 PM

One of Haaretz's panelists was on this actual panel recently (neat example of 'groupthink' and "general stagnation in thinking" as well).




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Excellent David

By Kissenger, Clark at Mar 04, 2007 03:36 AM

Your post has a lot of good information in it, David. As I read it, I am thinking that perhaps one way to get beyond the political hype of candidates and gain some kind of understanding of just where their international (war and criminal aggression) policy views REALLY lie, is to listen to what they say in front of Jewish audiences with respect to Israel. This is perhaps a line of investigation that bears consideration. The Israeli lobby seems to be major, major contributors to political campaigns. So to assess a candidate's real motives and to get a fix on his real intentions look at his paycheck - who is signing it?

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