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The Plame Affair

By Noam Chomsky at Nov 28, 2005

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[C]rucial issues are not being discussed, and are not even thinkable. But there's nothing new about that. I'm constantly shocked to hear, even from critics, about the bravery of the media in exposing the crimes of Vietnam, or Watergate, or other grand moments of the press -- which on even superficial analysis turn out to be mostly subordination to power, as in these cases. On Iraq, almost all mainstream coverage scarcely rises to the level of the home team press about a football game: how's our side doing? If I had the resources, I'd really like to do a comparison of the Russian press during the Afghan invasion, and plenty of other examples, and see if there is much difference, apart from change of names. On the Plame affair, there is one important issue that is scarcely being addressed. The leaks about Plame are plausibly understood to be a reaction to Wilson's public exposure of the deceit about Niger. One anticipated consequence of the leak was that it would strike another blow at the intelligence-gathering capacity of the CIA; the Bushites have already demoralized the agency, and many of its top investigators are apparently leaving in disgust, particularly in the Middle East section. There were bitter reactions from CIA agents in the field about how exposing Plame undermines their capacity to gain intelligence; what informant is going to trust them? Putting aside our own attitude towards the executive branch and what it does with the CIA as its instrument, it's of interest to observe what leaking the name tells us about the mentality of the radical reactionary nationalists of the Bush administration. From their point of view, punishing minor disobedience is more important than preserving the capabilities of the CIA. That reveals a deeply fascist streak, or perhaps more accurately, a Mafia-style mentality. This is one of only many examples. About the "opposition," [the Democrats] it's instructive to see their inability to register any political gains from the implosion of the Republican right. Whatever gains they've made are traceable to disgust with the Bush crowd, not support for the opposition. An authentic opposition party would have made significant gains.

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By 1903, Pc at Sep 17, 2007 17:33 PM
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By Cevirihizmetleri, Tercüme at Jun 29, 2007 16:12 PM
which on even superficial analysis turn out to be mostly subordination to power, as in these cases. On Iraq, almost all mainstream coverage scarcely rises to the level of the home team press about a football game: how's our side doing? If I had the resources, I'd really like to do a comparison of the Russian press during the Afghan invasion, and plenty of other examples, and see if there is much difference, apart from change of names. tercüme ingilizce tercüme elektrik emlak çeviri tercüman link ekle kiral?k ev

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Hah! FOSS programmers are

By Malti2001, Lixy at Jun 04, 2007 17:12 PM
Hah! FOSS programmers are envious? That's gotta be the stupidest statement I ever read.

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Chomsky's hypocrisy

By Kissenger, Clark at Feb 12, 2006 02:26 AM
While Muslim Imams around the world issue fatwas calling for the beheading of the Danish cartoonists, and editors of newspapers that reprinted the cartoons of Muhammed, where is the libertarian Chomsky? To recall, in 1980 Chomsky wrote a piece defending the right of a Nazi-sympathising Holocaust-denier, Faurisson, to publish his Holocaust-denial. Chomsky authorised Faurisson to use the piece as he wished, and Faurisson added the piece as a preface to his Holocaust-denying book. Despite various apologetic statements about Faurisson that Chomsky wrote in that piece that went beyond any “freedom-of-speech” issues (for instance denying that as far as he knew there was anything “anti-semitic per se” in the book), Chomsky and his clones take the official position that he was just taking a stand on free speech and against censorship. Today we are witnessing the greatest challenge to free speech in our times, and one wonders why the silence from Chomsky. Is it that, as Larissa MacFarquhar argued in a profile of Chomsky in the New Yorker, that Chomsky is a bully (she cites cases of him bullying students), hence prefers a cowardly “libertarian” defense of anti-semites since there are only 13 million Jews in the world, but 1.5 billion Muslims? Or is it just his craving for popularity that explains both his ostensible defense of Faurisson's free speech and his silence on Islamic fanaticism now?

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Kount, Noah at Jan 23, 2006 21:12 PM
I think the reason under the surface for the impotence of the Democratic party, unmentioned in most media, is that they won the Presidential election in 2000, but instead of taking office, rolled over. Everybody knows it, and this tactic does not win votes in future elections.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Honningsvåg, Per-Stian at Dec 24, 2005 02:21 AM
FOAD the-abyss. It's probably a 'journalist' from NYT or some other low-life 'news'-paper. Just ignore the rat. He's practicing Defamation 101. Chomsky wrote a good comment on it not long ago, from the (once respected) Guardian in that case. What happened there by the way. Two years ago it was a decent paper, now it looks more like an O'Reilly column* * Okay, that's pushing it, but you get the point

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 19, 2005 20:27 PM
>Take a pill, the abyss, or check yourself >into a mental hospital. I'm thinking of killing myself actually. Maybe I'll overdose on aspirin. If you drink wine on top, you fall into a coma. If I do this, I want to succeed, I don't want to wake up in hospital. I realize no one cares about anyone in this world. From 13 years of age onwards I wanted to die, had suicidal thoughts. I was fat as child, a laughing stock. I've had to live with that, live with being treated like shit by people. I was a fool. This world is evil. People are evil. Death is all I have to look forward to.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 19, 2005 18:38 PM
Forgot to give an excerpt. This is from the introduction to the book: "The goal was to immediately sterilize fourteen million people in the United States and millions more worldwide—the 'lower tenth'— and then continuously eradicate the remaining lowest tenth until only a pure Nordic super race remained. Ultimately, some 60,000 Americans were coercively sterilized and the total is probably much higher. No one knows how many marriages were thwarted by state felony statutes. Although much of the persecution was simply racism, ethnic hatred and academic elitism, eugenics wore the mantle of respectable science to mask its true character." - America fights for freedom and democracy? Sure does! Just look at its history.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 19, 2005 18:03 PM
Unlike Chomsky, I'm not out to make money, so I don't care what anyone thinks of me. I can stick two fingers up to the lot of you. I'm also free to recommend books to read, as I won't lose any revenue by sending you elsewhere.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 19, 2005 17:37 PM
the-abyss, for criticising Chomsky for profiting from other people's suffering, was called "inadequate" and "envious". This is coming from the left, from progressives, from Chomsky supporters, or, at the very least, from those who claim they want change. the-abyss is a "social inadequate" according to them. This is the bright future Chomsky and his cohorts promise the human race - and it's a very AMERICAN future! "Social inadequates", "genetically inferior people", and the poor, were once sterilized in America. Teenagers operated on, without knowing what was being done to them. Even as grown adults, it took a while for them to discover why they couldn't have children. That's right! Hitler owes a great debt to America for paving the way for a eugenics program on an industrial scale. "Hitler's Debt to America": http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1142027,00.html The above article is actually an extract from this book: "War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race" by Edwin Black. http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/ http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/reviews.php Might be a book worth buying, particular for you budding Nazis on this board who want to rid the human race of "inadequates", those with a tendency to envy others.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 18, 2005 16:12 PM
Part B From this article: http://registeredrep.com/mag/finance_say_say/ Just 27% of those surveyed with a net worth of $1 million to $10 million said they were interested in making planned contributions and meaningful gifts to charity. In other words, the rest may give to charity on occasions, but really don't care where the money goes, or who it's helping. "Yeah, here's a dollar, now eff off and leave me alone!" -- Extract: "While substantially all of our high-net-worth respondents give to charity, it's best described as 'checkbook' philanthropy, unplanned gifts given when the charity comes calling." "Another giant gap is will bequests...none of the clients surveyed said they have a burning interest in the topic." -- Looks like Chomsky is also saving all his - or rather, OUR! - money for his family, like the rest of the high-net-worth individuals surveyed. I'm meant to care about Chomsky when all the guy is doing is manipulating my emotions in order to get money off me, encouraging me to throw my life away, so that his family can be well taken care off when he dies. Forget it! Real academics don't publish books that are mere transcripts of conversations with their friends. Chomsky will publish anything, so long as it makes HIM money for HIS family, while the rest of us can go kill ourselves when we end up middle-aged and broke. This is called Chomsky's blog, yet he doesn't come here. Another lie from the "great man" himself.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 18, 2005 15:00 PM
Director: And - ACTION! NC: The children! We must remember the children. They are starving, suffering, their families are exploited by corporations. Oh God, I'm sorry. I'm going to start crying again. Director: CUT! That was marvelous. A splendid piece of acting, Mr Chomsky. Here's your check for $12,000. NC: Gee, thanks. -- Chomsky's supporters claim some of this money gets given to charity (how much, we don't know, of course. A small fraction, no doubt, otherwise Chomsky would declare publicly where the money was going prior to each speech). Four out of five wealthy individuals only give money to charity to reduce their tax liability or because they've been asked, and feel it's best to give something for appearances sake (or perhaps that day, it takes their mood). Second, Bill Gates also gives money to charity - he has pledged and donated, literally, billions! So, no more criticism of either Bill Gates or Microsoft, please. Windows is a great product, and MS does not avoid paying U.S. taxes or abuse its monopoly. And Linux is a free product because the programmers who wrote it are "envious" and "inadequate", just like the-abyss. Chomsky has called Microsoft a parasite, while Ralph Nader has written a letter to Bill Gates and the other executive directors of Microsoft, effectively accusing them of tax dodging. Funny, how it's ok for the elite to attack each other.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 16, 2005 18:47 PM
I wrote: >I wonder how many camcorders $1 million of >Chomsky's money would buy? None! As his cash is probably in a tax haven and can't be touched. The self-employed - which Chomsky is, as regards the speeches he gives and the articles he writes - are in a prime position to hide income from Uncle Sam. I noticed people are still calling Chomsky, "Professor Chomsky". It is true that Chomsky is a professor of linguistics. But we are not at university now. What Chomsky is discussing has no relevance, or connection, to linguistics. Chomsky is a human being first, a professor, second. The correct title is Mr Chomsky. And, in fact, that is what, I think, he would prefer to be called. Titles are used in order to justify illegitimate authoritarian structures. Just look at England's past, a class-ridden society "jam-packed" with Dukes, Duchesses, Lords, Ladies, etc. Being a professor of some subject says nothing about whether you are an honest and fair person, someone with integrity. These traits are far more important when dealing with the issues that are being discussed here than a Ph.D in linguistics. And, get real, Chomsky is not an authority on human nature or world affairs. In fact, no one is!

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 16, 2005 17:54 PM
As much as I detest some of the Chomsky supporters on here - fanatics who called the-abyss "inadequate" and "envious" for condemning Chomsky for creating a lucrative business out of standing up for his so-called principles - here is a link illustrating nicely how Britain and America are indiscriminately shooting at, and killing, innocent Iraqis: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MAD20051201&articleId=1381 Use this link to download the video directly: http://globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/Aegis-PSD.wmv There is precious little visual evidence of America and Britain being caught in the act of committing crimes in Iraq, so what can be scraped together should be disseminated widely, especially since eyewitness testimony given by Arabs is considered inadmissible by America and Britain. Perhaps someone should set up an organization to supply Iraqis with free camcorders. I wonder how many camcorders $1 million of Chomsky's money would buy?

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Ess, Shyela at Dec 12, 2005 04:31 AM
Bewareof, you may find this link helpful, particularly the description of the fallacy of ad hominem rhetoric. http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/tps-seti/baloney.html

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 11, 2005 15:50 PM
What this fake Chomsky blog needs is a competent psychologist who can explain how someone telling others what they want to hear - or what they already know but in more detail - leads people to believe this will change the world. Chomsky gives a talk to a handful of students for $12,000. Those students then go back to studying; they have exams to pass, lives to live. And once they've passed their exams, they have to find work, pay off their loans, establish a life for themselves. All they'll remember - if they remember at all! - is some old man reciting a long list of crimes committed by their government. Was that $12,000 of society's money well spent? Ask yourself: are students at top universities more inclined to devote their energies to "saving the world" or pursuing a well-paid career? Search Google, and see how many people promote Chomsky for free. Then visit Chomsky's so-called official site, and see how many people Chom$ky promotes for free. None! Chomsky is meant to be an ACADEMIC, not a journalist trying to build a name for himself. There are people who could give the same speeches Chomsky gives for far less money, but who need the cash more. But Chomsky, the principled man that he is, has turned himself into a brand, and markets himself - and only himself! - to others, in order to rig the information marketplace in his favor, to ensure more of OUR money goes to him.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Paymane, Paymun at Dec 11, 2005 08:56 AM
Mark, Don't worry about the guy. While Chomsky and co are busy making a better world, he is spending his time smearing Chomskys of the world. The Mocho idiot, thinks he is one of those undiscovered brains, OOOOOH, "I discovered Noam Chomsky is a millionair deceiving us to go die for a cause he doesn't believe in." WOW what a great discovery. THANAK YOU. There is one little fact though. How a great mind like you, somehow missed the fact that 60% OF US CORPORATIONS DO NOT PAY ANY TAXES, BUT MOST OF THEM GET GREAT GOVERNMENT HANDOFFS. Ooooooh what an earth shattering discovery. I am disguested by NC. How dare he charge $12000 for a speach? He really should charge 1 million dollar like Bill Clinton DOES. He is spoiling the market. If he keep doing that, Bill might looses his 20+ million dollar home in New York. GET A LIFE MY FRIEND. And don't worry about Noam, he is doing fine considering what he has been going through ever since he decided to leave the comfort of his academic steady job to do research on the way power is destroying the world your children are going to live it.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Fuller, Mark at Dec 11, 2005 06:37 AM
Are you insane?...the TIAA CRIEF is the 529 government savings plan for college!!! I read that article that you quoted from...the underlying truth that Chomsky states is inviolate...the fact that you quote something about his persona to discredit the content of what he says is ridiculous. We ALL have to deal with the here and now, but intellectually we can pursue the greater good. We translate that intellectual ambition into political action and policy...even if it hurts us in the short term; but gains something for our children and grandchildren. Are you a simple minded dog that merely wants his next meal or do you think about things past the end of your dick?

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Ess, Shyela at Dec 09, 2005 14:54 PM
Belated Happy Birthday Professor Chomsky! And many more.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 09, 2005 12:48 PM
I say Chomsky is like a "vegetarian" who eats meat, but, in fact, he's worse. He's encouraging the rest of us to make huge sacrifices, to throw our lives away fretting about all that he talks about. He's sending people off to an uncertain fate, while making sure his fate is known. "Do As I Say, Not As I Do": http://www.techcentralstation.com/1019055.html And, for those who think hypocrisy is harmless, I suggest you get hold of a second-hand copy of "The Great American Tax Dodge (How Spiraling Fraud and Avoidance Are Killing Fairness, Destroying the Income Tax, and Costing You)" by Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele. As society becomes increasingly aware of the hypocrisy of the rich, the way they are avoiding and evading paying tens of billions in tax each year, more and more of the less well-off do the same. Tax avoidance and evasion is now rampant throughout every layer of society. The Income Tax is on its last legs. Hypocrisy harms society - Chomsky's hypocrisy is not all right.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 09, 2005 12:14 PM
There have been many articles from "progressives" attacking the elite for not shouldering the costs of the "war" with Iraq. The rich have received huge tax cuts, while the masses have been landed with a huge bill, supposedly, for reconstructing Iraq. The sons and daughters of the rich remain safe in America, while the offspring of the less privileged are sent off to fight and die in a foreign land. Chomsky, too, has made this point. So, what sacrifices has Chomsky made? First off, right after 9/11, he increased his speaking fee from $9,000 to $12,000; then he hired a tax consultant to reduce his tax liability to Uncle Sam. He is also "working hard" giving speeches and interviews in order to provide for his children's and grandchildren's future. Chomsky, like the rest of the elite, is determined none of HIS family will ever have to go to war or live like the rest of us. And what of the woman who told Chomsky she reads up on world affairs at the weekends, even though her work colleagues think she's crazy. Chomsky told her: yeah, you're meant to be out there making money, it's stupid! And where is Chomsky? Out there, making money! Seems making money isn't so stupid, after all. Chomsky is like a meat-eater giving speeches to vegetarians and non-vegetarians alike, encouraging people to eat less meat, lecturing on the cruelty inflicted on farm animals, and then going off to gorge on a few pigs and cows reared and slaughtered in the most inhumane way possible.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Jbrownil, Jbrownil at Dec 08, 2005 21:40 PM
It's likely that Wilson used his name to give the story more credibility. Although none of us no for sure (maybe it was his ego?). Regardless of all this, Plame's identity would never have been public knowledge if someone haden't leaked it. Let's say the Bush Admin. never said anything, would this be public? Probably not.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Weddle, Rick at Dec 07, 2005 09:54 AM
It's clear that intelligence of any sort is not highly valued in D.C. these days...why should it be when the CorPirate Organism which runs the joint can have all the best brains money can buy? The next time you think or hear, '...why doesn't someone DO something?!,'...ask yourself who really allowed this to happen...who really has the power to DO something...and is instead sitting on their fat collective butt, munching on nitrites, watching pablum on tv, while the SUV cools in the carport? Answering these little queries honestly will be too uncomfy for a good many Amerikans, I think...good thing it doesn't take EVERYONE, eh?

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Paymane, Paymun at Dec 07, 2005 08:05 AM
one of the things that came out was that, the Niger documents were "crude forgeries" as IAEA was able to asertain in a couple of hours. Who did the forgeries? The Neocons knew that the documents are forgeries. But the vicious attack they launched against Joe Wilson, perhaps, had more to do with the threat they were facing as being complicit in forgeries than to put "16 words" in the State of Union address. The other thing was that Plame was involved in a secret operation in which CIA agents were posing as people interested in buying nuclear materials. The outing shutdown the entire operation, seriously undermining the national security of the US. Hence it is clear how much Dick Cheney and alike care about american citizens.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Ess, Shyela at Dec 04, 2005 20:44 PM
bewareof, I fail to see what you posting has to do with the topic. Comments I've read elsewhere mostly ask that the press bring this issue to the forefront, apparently not realizing the press has been complicit in the affair. It seems as long as the profit motive for doing things differently is absent, I think this trend will continue. The seriousness of the Bush administrations risking their own intelligence gathering appartus can't be overstated. It's getting more difficult to keep track of the various crimes and distortions since the begining of the administration in order to rank them according to their resemblance to mafia or Nazi moves, but this should top the list.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Man, Laughing at Dec 03, 2005 09:50 AM
Chomsky transferring rights to his children has to do with the fact that THE MAN IS 76 YEARS OLD AND COULD DIE TOMORROW. Wether or not someone wants to say the CIA wants to kill him is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. When anyone else does this its called an inheretance, when Chomsky does it its called Tax doging? Seriously Abyss use your brain, its usefull. In any case, lets say he did it in order to avoid paying tax instead of handing over his legacy. Why the hell should Chomsky pay taxes? They support corperations, the govt, the capitolism, the slaughter, etc etc. It would be more contradictory for him to pay tax, then it would be to doge them. Shure, Chomsky had to raise the fee after 911 because his popularity caused him to need to use larger facilities with higher rental costs. This has been previously responded too, the enterence fee goes toward paying for the use of the facility, and dont go into chomsky`s pocket. How many times do we have to repeat ourselves Abyss? Can you think? Can you read? Your anti Chomsky argument gets smashed every time you post it. Either think of something new or concede defeat.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Gammon101, Bwong at Dec 01, 2005 17:45 PM
Take a pill, the abyss, or check yourself into a mental hospital.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bewarefalseprophets, Bewarefalseprophets at Dec 01, 2005 17:34 PM
Here's an interesting article to read: http://www.techcentralstation.com/1019055.html As all these facts are a fabrication, I suggest Chomsky sues for libel. Many people have noticed that Chomsky has transferred the copyright of a number of his books into the names of his children. This has sparked speculation that Chomsky is worried the CIA might soon murder him. Hilarious! Read the article. It seems this is being done to avoid paying tax. As the copyright is in his children's names, the profits get taxed at their lower rate. This is the same cheat that Microsoft uses (Chomsky has called Microsoft a parasite). The Wall Street Journal recently explained that, in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes, Microsoft has given ownership of a bundle of its intellectual property to an Irish subsidiary. In Chomsky's case, his children are his subsidiary. Prior to 9/11 Chomsky charged $9,000 to speak. I was aware it was lower in the recent past, but according to this article, Chomsky increased his fees shortly after 9/11 to $12,000 to cash in on the public's newfound interest in foreign affairs. Money makes the world go around - and so does hypocrisy! We don't need a privileged man like Chomsky using our lives as wage slaves to make himself and his family super rich. Over the last 30 years Chomsky has babbled away, but corporations have only grown stronger. The further we sink, the higher Chomsky floats.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Michael, Bobbo at Dec 01, 2005 06:33 AM
The Valerie Plame affair is perhaps the most insignificant crime the Bush admin has committed, which makes it the perfect candidate for an impeachable offence, should the elite classes in the U.S. choose to turn against their current emperor. It puts to question nothing but the personal qualities of the leaders, leaving the deep trust in state violence, domestic repression, economic and environmental rapine nicely intact. One might expect the various war crimes committed at Falluja and elsewhere, the deplorable international system of secret prisons, the Downing Street memo, or even the indications that the Bush admin deliberately targeted independant media for harassment and murder to figure more prominently. Instead, we have "Plamegate". If it goes anywhere, you can take it as a sign that the upper echelons of US society are disillusioned by their latest Great Leader. Not to worry, there's always a Tweedledee waiting in the wings.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bauerly, Mtbrad at Dec 01, 2005 05:59 AM
"The reason you have Joe Wilson sign a nondisclosure agreement and not allowing him to write about it MTbrad, is to increase the likelihood that Valery Plame's identity will remain a secret." This makes no sense. It is in fact a perfect cover, who would suspect an operativies wife to be a covert agent. How would stopping him from writing about it have prevented the abuse of power by the admin? Are you trying to say that it is infact Wilsons fault for writing, that caused the bush admin to break the law and threaten the national securty of the country for political gain? Wilson went to the public with his info was to show that the admin was puting out faulty info on the WMD. That is where the fault is to lie, not the CIA, not joe wilson, but the effort to silence the truth regarding yellow cake from Niger. The aluminum tubes is another one of the faulse peices of info that the admin used to push for the war. It was largely disputed by intel and bush was told that it was uncolloborated and should not be in the state of the union speech. Both of these togeher reveals a tendency to distort, and yes even lie about intel to implement policy objective. Add to it the illegal outing and you have a multi layer distortion cake with fascist frosting on top.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By K, Mr at Dec 01, 2005 01:36 AM
Only the lord can protect mankind from Bushism. The people of the planet must have faith that Bush's will and new radical right wing approach to the world will benefit the populous of the world. His global blunders for profit have shown everyone the challenges that must be overcome. More media censorship. More control over the established institutions. more party alignment and co-adapting the democratic party into the fold for national security. yes it's a facist state now. noam's right. good luck. How can a leftist adapt to this new world reality of neo-liberalized agency? I'll need to watch more television. CNN and FOX news can re-educate me to bring out my new inner neo-con. I can adapt. I can be the best neo-con i can be. assimulation brings rewards. maybe oneday i can be patronaged into some wing of governmental control. Wow a true new world american dream. Beaurocratic servitude brings institutional rewards. a true american dream come true. patronage has rewards. serve elite intrests and succeed in the new world order. resist and fall into economic despair. just like dogs obey and get a reward. learn your trick to get your treat yankees. wallmart or the marines or jail you pick your american dream. Or join the neo-con elite. a true prize for all americans. elitism is true to form. god ordered it through 'intelligent design'.

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Cacioppo, Jonas at Dec 01, 2005 00:53 AM
The ruling political establishment elite manifested in the Executive is composed of "radical reactionary nationalists" whose methods overlie "a deeply fascist streak" or, better yet, "Mafia-like" style of management. So you say. I agree that there is no real opposition. The agenda of theirs appears to be tactical disagreement to better achieve the larger strategic goals of administration officials, who are formal co-equals but functionally are ... who knows. Assuming there is a larger strategy. The "affair" centers on the potential of a criminal act on the behalf of the highest-echelon White House officials, e.g. Rove and maybe even Andy Card. But the larger background is the patchwork of deceptions and insinuations or even "self-deceptions", particularly the story about the aluminum tubes. (Foreign Policy, in a 'web exclusive', talks about that.)

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Re: The Plame Affair

By Bauerly, Mtbrad at Nov 30, 2005 20:36 PM
Why would wilson have to sign a non disclosure agreement about a topic the admin was holding up as a reason for invasion? Why would he not be allowed to go to the press? Does he not work for the people, does he not owe the people the truth as he discovered it? What does this have to do with the leaking of Plame's name? The fact that the Bush admin would throw CIA agents to the dogs for political gain is indeed very mofia type behaviour. The fact that the act threatened our security by undermining the CIA's ability to gather info has been practically ignored by the press. It does indeed reveal their obediance to the politically powerful rightwingnuts. As for the extension of Nazisim, I would put it more as the inevitable ascendancy of markets over people. US politics has become so infused with corp money that it now functions as a arm of corp goals.

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