He's one of the most influential intellectuals of our age -- cited in more academic works than almost any other living scholar -- and yet many progressives are not familiar with his libertarian socialist ideas. Noam Chomsky talks about anarchism, the state, conspiracy theories, science and the Enlightenment.
... by Noam's position on 9/11. It wasnt too long ago that the lack of peer reviewed science appeared to be his main qualm:
"Take, say, the physical evidence. There are ways to assess that: submit it to specialists -- of whom there are thousands -- who have the requisite background in civil-mechanical engineering, materials science, building construction, etc., for review and analysis; and one cannot gain the required knowledge by surfing the internet. In fact, that's been done, by the professional association of civil engineers. Or, take the course pursued by anyone who thinks they have made a genuine discovery: submit it to a serious journal for peer review and publication. To my knowledge, there isn't a single submission."
http://www.rense.com/general74/dismiss.htm
Well, this has now been done in a pretty drastic way, with the publication of Harritt et als paper in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal, illustrating the presence of undetonated nanothermite chips in the WTC dust:
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm
Following Prof Chomsky's argument, if the evidence is serious, it will be peer reviewed, and published. This is precisely what has happened. Since the publication, there has been, to my and Prof Harrit's knowledge, no scientific controversy or serious disagreement about its findings. Now given that we can therefore reasonably agree that these particles were present, the next point is who placed them there, and no one serious is going to argue that it was Al Qaeda...
Once this has been established, the answers to Noam's other questions fall neatly into place. For instance the charge that if the Bush admin had orchestrated the attack from A-Z, they would have ensured that Iraqis were flying the planes, and not Saudis. But there is a critical assumption that is being made here- namely that anyone is alleging they planned the attacks from A-Z. No one I know makes that allegation. That they colluded in it to a criminal degree, yes; that they took steps to ensure that the manner of the attacks would not jeopardise their subsequent strategic plans, probably (and note how it didnt); but that they planned to the attacks from start to finish, picking the hijackers etc, that is an assumption that no one is making, save (the otherwise admirable) Prof Chomsky.
So I think that once one lets go off unreasonable assumptions, and focusses on the concrete evidence, it becomes pretty impossible to argue against the need for a criminal investigation into USG collusion in the attacks.
It is absolutely not the case that the so-called "Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal" is a reputable source with a reliable process of peer review.
Please, before you go circulating this sort of pseudo-information on the internet, read this article: http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55759/
It explains that this for-profit company, "Bentham Open," publishes pay-to-play journals, in which writers pay hundreds ($800 in the case of the "Open Chemical Physics Journal") or in some cases thousands of dollars of to have their articles published. This, of course, creates a financial incentive for the company to publish as many papers as possible.
But far worse than that is the fact they are notorious for having a shoddy, even fraudelent approach to peer review. In one case, "Bentham Open" accepted -- and claimed to have "peer reviewed" -- a nonsensical, computer-generated hoax article.
In the case of the 9/11 Truther article to which you refer, the article appeared in the journal without the knowledge or permission of the editor-in-chief of the journal, who them promptly resigned. <http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2009/06/bentham-editors-resign.html>.
So, you can believe what you want about 9/11, but the point about peer reviewed research still stands, nothwithstanding this highly dubious "Bentham Open" article, supposedly "peer-reviewed," but actually appearing without the editor's knowledge.
ok, thanks for the information on Bentham, I was unaware that they ran a paid-for system, which does indeed jeopardise the seriousness of the journal. Nonetheless, would you not expect to see refutations of the findings of the article in other journals were the article based on shoddy science? I think you would see that; according to Prof Harrit, this has not at all been the case.
Further, the lack of rigour behind the Bentham Journal says nothing for the points about the Saudis I addressed in my penultimate paragraph, which is indeed NC's prime area of concern in the interview.
A bit disappointed...
By d, M at Dec 02, 2009 02:38 AM
... by Noam's position on 9/11. It wasnt too long ago that the lack of peer reviewed science appeared to be his main qualm:
"Take, say, the physical evidence. There are ways to assess that: submit it to specialists -- of whom there are thousands -- who have the requisite background in civil-mechanical engineering, materials science, building construction, etc., for review and analysis; and one cannot gain the required knowledge by surfing the internet. In fact, that's been done, by the professional association of civil engineers. Or, take the course pursued by anyone who thinks they have made a genuine discovery: submit it to a serious journal for peer review and publication. To my knowledge, there isn't a single submission."
http://www.rense.com/general74/dismiss.htm
Well, this has now been done in a pretty drastic way, with the publication of Harritt et als paper in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal, illustrating the presence of undetonated nanothermite chips in the WTC dust:
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm
Following Prof Chomsky's argument, if the evidence is serious, it will be peer reviewed, and published. This is precisely what has happened. Since the publication, there has been, to my and Prof Harrit's knowledge, no scientific controversy or serious disagreement about its findings. Now given that we can therefore reasonably agree that these particles were present, the next point is who placed them there, and no one serious is going to argue that it was Al Qaeda...
Once this has been established, the answers to Noam's other questions fall neatly into place. For instance the charge that if the Bush admin had orchestrated the attack from A-Z, they would have ensured that Iraqis were flying the planes, and not Saudis. But there is a critical assumption that is being made here- namely that anyone is alleging they planned the attacks from A-Z. No one I know makes that allegation. That they colluded in it to a criminal degree, yes; that they took steps to ensure that the manner of the attacks would not jeopardise their subsequent strategic plans, probably (and note how it didnt); but that they planned to the attacks from start to finish, picking the hijackers etc, that is an assumption that no one is making, save (the otherwise admirable) Prof Chomsky.
So I think that once one lets go off unreasonable assumptions, and focusses on the concrete evidence, it becomes pretty impossible to argue against the need for a criminal investigation into USG collusion in the attacks.
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"peer reviewed."
By D'Arcy, Steve at Dec 02, 2009 08:07 AM
It is absolutely not the case that the so-called "Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal" is a reputable source with a reliable process of peer review.
Please, before you go circulating this sort of pseudo-information on the internet, read this article: http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55759/
It explains that this for-profit company, "Bentham Open," publishes pay-to-play journals, in which writers pay hundreds ($800 in the case of the "Open Chemical Physics Journal") or in some cases thousands of dollars of to have their articles published. This, of course, creates a financial incentive for the company to publish as many papers as possible.
But far worse than that is the fact they are notorious for having a shoddy, even fraudelent approach to peer review. In one case, "Bentham Open" accepted -- and claimed to have "peer reviewed" -- a nonsensical, computer-generated hoax article.
In the case of the 9/11 Truther article to which you refer, the article appeared in the journal without the knowledge or permission of the editor-in-chief of the journal, who them promptly resigned. <http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2009/06/bentham-editors-resign.html>.
So, you can believe what you want about 9/11, but the point about peer reviewed research still stands, nothwithstanding this highly dubious "Bentham Open" article, supposedly "peer-reviewed," but actually appearing without the editor's knowledge.
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Re: "peer reviewed."
By d, M at Dec 02, 2009 09:42 AM
ok, thanks for the information on Bentham, I was unaware that they ran a paid-for system, which does indeed jeopardise the seriousness of the journal. Nonetheless, would you not expect to see refutations of the findings of the article in other journals were the article based on shoddy science? I think you would see that; according to Prof Harrit, this has not at all been the case.
Further, the lack of rigour behind the Bentham Journal says nothing for the points about the Saudis I addressed in my penultimate paragraph, which is indeed NC's prime area of concern in the interview.
But thanks for the information.
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Re: "peer reviewed."
By McGehee, Michael at Dec 02, 2009 08:20 AM
was just about to point out these same things.
its apparent drabu has a predisposition and fished for links to back it up. this is disingenious, especially for anyone who is fond of the sciences.
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