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US Blames India and China on WTO Failure

By Michael McGehee at Aug 04, 2008


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Mixed Feelings Over WTO Failure in Geneva

NEW DELHI - The collapse of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) negotiations at Geneva has left Indian analysts with mixed feelings. One view is that no deal is better than a bad one. The other is that because the alternative for developing countries is far worse, India should have been more flexible.

The United States blamed India and China for being ‘overly protective’ in opening their doors to a wide range of imports [emphasis added] — from food products to chemicals and automobiles. Many countries from the developing world, on the other hand, argued that farm subsidies in the U.S. and Europe were squeezing their own farmers out of the market, thereby reducing local food production and leaving their countries vulnerable to sudden spikes in food prices, as happened in recent months.China’s representative at the WTO said that what the U.S. was demanding from developing countries was ‘a price as high as heaven’. India’s Commerce Minister Kamal Nath stated that the U.S. wanted to enhance the commercial interests of its large agri-business corporations whereas developing countries like India wanted to ensure that the ‘livelihood of its farmers’ are protected.

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It seems India and China know more about the history of economic developement than we do. Which is typical.

In terms of social relations it is common that the victim or the disadvantaged or those whose necks are being stepped on by the boots of others know more about their oppressors than the oppressors know about themselves.

Ask any woman and she can tell you more about men than us men know about our own gender.

Ask any oppresed racial or ethnic minority and they can tell you more about the the "superior" than the latter knows about themselves.

During the famine in China the leaders were oblivious to what was going on but those being starved understood perfectly well.

And developing countries know more about how the developed world has developed than we know.

Furthermore, we approach our own economic history with rhetoric and ideology. We treat our self-imposed myths like a religion: faith-based economics.

The developing world is rightly dismissing our attempts to impose trade agreements that are largely one-sided. When we condemn them for being "overly protective" it takes a serious case of amnesia to not note the hypocrisy.

Our economic developement in the U.S. was due to even more extensive protectionism than anything India and China are currently guilty of. We used slavery, poor labor laws, extensive amounts of subsidies (we still do through corporate farms and the Pentagon), high tariffs and extreme amounts of control on foreign investment.

The WTO talks consisted of nothing more than "Do as we say and not as we did."

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Re: US Blames India and China on WTO Failure

By Sicilian, Counter at Aug 08, 2008 20:46 PM

I am not aware of the facts on the ground in China, but in India, thousands of farmers have committed suicide in the last few years. ( I think that the figure is over 100,000 between  2000 and 2007).  The saga of the Indian farmer is tragic.  Entrapped in debts, crop failure and  rising costs due to outrageous rates of inflation have all but driven him to the edge of the precipice. For those who are interested, please follow these links:

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6063387598655207801

 

http://kishortiwari.blogspot.com

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By McGehee, Michael at Aug 11, 2008 05:30 AM

that statistic somewhere too. when one of my last jobs was outsourced to India I told our boss to try and get out of the city or to look for some of the newspapers run by people living in slums. he said on his way to the city (i cant remember which one off the top of my head as this was 4 years ago) and he said he saw fields of blue tents. he said it was an eye opening scene to the extent of poverty in India. when some of the representatives of the company in India visited our site I struck up a conversation about poverty in India and the force labor of Indian migrants in places like Iraq and Kuwait (where KBR was holding their passports ransom), and I could tell these guys were oblivious due to their class privileges. they didnt really give two cents about the vast majority of their own people. already in China the effects of limited privatization are having an impact on income inequality. overall poverty is being reduced but no doubt, as in India, many are being left behind (not to mention enviornmental degradation). The extent to which India and China are protectionist is slight compared to the levels of which the US or UK were in their beginning stages of economic developement and even with that they had extensive poverty that was only overcome with a radical labor movement that paid many costs to leave a reside of success that are still largely enjoyed today. so i dont want to come off as overly optimistic about the developing worlds ability to protect their industries (its not THE solution in itself), but if we are to learn anything from economic history its that the developing world has to be able to protect itself and build up its manufacturing base (or perfect its \"comparative advantage\"). and the workers within have got to, similarly, organize themselves in order to protect themselves as well.

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By McGehee, Michael at Aug 04, 2008 12:52 PM

in terms of gender relations - I just wanted to share this amusing thought - some men like to delude their poor understanding of their own gender with what they call "man laws."

The other day at my job one of our upper-management bosses - who is a woman - was talking about her teenage daughter and how she has really tried to instill confidence in her daughter (though she worries that she might have given her too much) because she wants her daughter to be strong enough to resist men trying step all over her.

So while women are realizing the importance of being strong enough to protect themselves from our domineering of them, some men are superficially acting as if they are explaining ourselves by whether it is appropriate or not to talk to another man while using a urinal.

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