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One of the most celebrated features of the recent occupation movements int he U.S., and then around the world, has been the slogan, “We are the 99%.” Participants effusively love the slogan, but as an advocate of classlessness - participatory economics - I have mixed feelings. 

Occupation critics bemoan absent demands. About that, I say, patience. Occupation critics question ubiquitous moralism. About that, I say, would you prefer being immoral, amoral, or moral? But when occupiers and critics alike say, we love the creative innovation embodied in the 99% slogan, I worry. Beyond it benefits, does saying we are the 99% obscure more than it reveals? Will it ultimately misdirect more than focus the movement? Could it even distort movement priorities and practices? 

Yes, saying we are the 99% aggressively pinpoints a very small group who have overwhelming power and wealth in society. They are owners. They are capitalists. They are on top. Addressing this is good.

And there is policy related benefit, as well. Whereas mainstream corrections for economic crisis seek for the 1% to wind up even more securely in power than they were before the crisis. Mainstream policy makers want to get back to business as usual, which not only gave us the crisis in the first place, but also constantly gives us grotesque divisions of wealth, income, and power, and whereas we obviously do not want to get back to business as usual, saying we are the 99% excellently orients us toward instead redistributing wealth and power. 

Even so, I would prefer that we call the 1% capitalists. Calling them capitalists pinpoints that they own the economy. It highlights that you can’t retain owners but not have owners on top. It clarifies that to get rid of 1% dominating 99% ultimately requires replacing capitalism.

But putting this quibble aside, virtually every occupier knows the 1% are on top by virtue of owning productive property. Most people watching and learning from the occupations also know this, or can come to know it, and the 1% label won’t obstruct that from happening. So saying we are the 99% against the 1% (instead of against the capitalists) still stands tall as a slogan which widely communicates previously subterranean sentiments.

But what about managers? What about doctors? What about lawyers and engineers? What about financial officers? What about people who earn five six, ten, twenty, and even fifty or more times what the typical worker earns, but who do not own the means of production, do not work harder, do not labor under worse conditions, and do not work more intensely than more typical workers? In short, what about people who have jobs that are highly empowering and convey very substantial and sometimes incredible wealth and status inaccessible to those below?

A 99er may reply: They are just at the top of our team, but they are still on our team, aren’t they? They can be fired. They get wages and have to conflict with the 1% to increase their wages. They are upset about the crisis. So isn’t it good if they come to our encampments and pitch in? Isn’t it good if they march in our parades and protest along with us? What’s the problem?

The problem arises, or can arise, when we think of the whole 99% as all being the same type economic actor. In fact there are differences, some of which matter not only to our lives, but to our activism.

But to highlight the differences will diminish our inclusiveness, replies the 99er.

It could, done poorly, but it doesn’t have to, is my response. And I even think the opposite may be true. 

What a participatory economic perspective says about this is that about 20% - 25% of all economic actors have a relative monopoly on empowering tasks. About 75% - 80% end up doing jobs composed of only disempowering tasks. The former group, due to their work, become more confident, more knowledgeable about their conditions and workplaces, and more socially practiced and capable. The latter group, due to their different work, become less confident, less knowledgeable about their conditions and workplaces, and less socially practiced and capable. The former have way more power than the latter and they parlay that power into more income as well. 

Okay, all that seems true, the 99er likely agrees, but if the 20% - 25% side with us in pursuing our agendas, isn’t that good?

Yes, of course. But there are two other possibilities we should not ignore. First, they can side with the owners at the top. Second, they can have their own agenda, different from ours, that they pursue. Both these possibilities are not only possible, but quite likely for many highly empowered employees, even as some will also sincerely side with more typical workers.

Okay, says the 99er, but I still don’t see the problem with the slogan. If we want the doctors, lawyers, engineers and others to side with us, why isn’t having one name for us all - 99ers - a good step toward that goal? Why isn’t welcoming the top 20% - 25% under our one large umbrella good?

It is, in some ways. And certainly the opposite approach, treating empowered employees as enemies, would virtually ensure their absence from our encampments, marches, and protests.

But here is my heresy. I believe there is a very strong dynamic by which if we don’t give some serious attention to the differences between the roughly 20% - advocates of participatory economics call them the coordinator class - and the disempowered roughly 80% - who we can call the working class - the former coordinators will over time wind up dominating the latter workers, in turn transforming working class aspirations for classlessness into coordinator class agendas for coordinator rule.

Without going into endless detail here - the point is that the coordinators have a monopoly on empowering work. They are not smarter. They are not more industrious. They are not more worthy. Rather, they are elevated by their backgrounds, luck, better schooling, and mostly by their position in the division of labor. The workers are subordinated by their backgrounds, luck, worse schooling, and mostly by their position in the division of labor. To achieve classlessness, to achieve justice, all this can and must change. A successful movement needs to attend to it all, not least by fighting to change the division of labor.

But this insight about class has implications that go further than ultimate aims. For example, what preferences characterize our movements? What values do our movements celebrate? What habits do they embody? How do our movements feel to participants? What do our movements provide participants? Who, therefore, do our movements appeal to? Who makes our movement decisions and becomes steadily more confident and empowered by doing so? Which people will therefore feel comfortable in and empowered by our movements? And then, finally, and largely derivatively from these other attributes, what will our movements fight for?

If we ask these questions about race or gender issues, the implications are clear. We know that we are not all one race. We know we are not all one gender. We know we need movements that address rather than ignore race and gender inequalities and hierarchies. To attain that clarity, of course we don’t argue that white people are the enemy. We don’t argue that men are the enemy. However, we do recognize that there are real privileges to deal with. We do carefully ensure that our movements elevate women and people of color to positions of influence and that our movements reject culture, styles, habits, values, and assumptions not only associated with dominant groups ruling, but off-putting to subordinate groups.

Don’t we need to translate that thinking to issues of class? Should we settle for having a movement against the 1% or even a movement that calls itself anti capitalist, which nonetheless has a culture, style, habits, values, and assumptions, and, even more so, organization and leadership that takes for granted continued rule by the the coordinator class rather than fighting to eliminate all class division? I worry that if we don’t even mention this class distinction, if we actively bury it under an all-inclusive 99% label applied to everyone who isn’t a capitalist, we will open the door to not addressing the problems of class inside our own organizing.

Inside our movements, it is certainly important that we address issues of private ownership of property. Otherwise we will not deal with the dynamics of capitalist rule. But it is also important that we address issues of asymmetrical access to economic power. Otherwise we will not deal with the dynamics of what I call coordinator rule.

It is obviously important that we not have a bunch of capitalists deciding our agendas. It is also important that we not have only coordinator class members doing so. It is important that we not adopt styles and approaches comfortable for the 1%, or the 20% - 25%, but uncomfortable for the 75% - 80%.

The 99er may reply, oh, that is all just outdated orthodox marxist rhetoric that would divisively diminish our potentials.

The thing is, it isn’t. And ironically, the opposite is true. 

Treating the economy as if there are just two important classes - whether we call them owners and workers or we call them the 1% and the 99% - is itself, in fact, the tired old marxist approach. To lump everyone who isn’t capitalist into one category - whether we call that category worker or we call it 99er (or, for that matter, the multitude) - masks a critically important difference among non capitalists, and obscuring this difference was, indeed, a main conceptual problem of marxism (and programmatic problem of Leninism) because using a two class approach invariably generated economies (wrongly called socialist) in which the (unmentioned) coordinator class ruled over the (celebrated) working class. 

But the 99er may reply, okay, that's intellectually fair enough, regarding the long run. But we aren’t about to win a new economy tomorrow or next week. And, for now, we need to welcome as many new participants as possible, don’t we?

Yes, we certainly do. But the participants we mostly need to welcome and elevate to defining our movements, are working class people. Use the analogy to racism, again. We need an anti racist movement, and we certainly need to welcome white participants into it - but only if they are against racism and are prepared, albeit even if only imperfectly and sometimes with reluctance, to not exploit their privileges. We can’t welcome white people into an anti racist movement in ways that lead to adopting approaches, language, and habits that put off people of color from participating. 

By analogy, do we want to welcome doctors, lawyers, engineers, professors, and even managers into a movement fighting against class rule? Yes, by all means, of course we do, but only if they are on the side of working people, and only if they are ready, albeit even if only imperfectly and sometimes with reluctance, to understand and try to overcome their privileges. We need doctors, lawyers, engineers, professors, and even managers who are ready to respect working class attitudes and culture and choices. Who are ready to accept working class leadership. Who are ready to try to spread currently monopolized knowledge, not hoard it. Who are ready to listen, not just lecture. 

But what about students, says the 99er?

The same thing applies, doesn’t it? If a student who hopes to be doctor or lawyer also hopes to put their education and training at the disposal of working people, including trying to break down the obstacles to more people having similar education and training and being empowered, that’s wonderful. Welcome aboard. But if a student who hopes to be a doctor or lawyer also hopes to become as wealthy as possible and identifies as an elite, implicitly or explicitly, and sees the resolution of the current economic crisis, for example, in a return to business as usual, that’s another matter, isn’t it? 

Sure it is hard, in practice, to deal with such differences and distinctions in ways that avoid recrimination, avoid guilt tripping, and avoid all the rest that we all know can creep in. But with patience, it can be done.

Let me give an example. 

Suppose, down the road, a time comes for issuing demands. I wonder, will coordinator class occupiers be okay with proposals that redistribute power and wealth not only from the top 1%, but also from the top 20% - 25%? Will doctors be okay with proposals from nurses that eat into doctors prerogatives? Will engineers be okay with proposals from workers that eat into engineer’s prerogatives? What about professors supporting students, even when it eats into professors prerogatives? Managers and assemblers? And though it is harder to navigate the details, what about would-be doctors, engineers, professors, and managers? 

If we want a movement that seeks self management for all, doesn’t that mean we do not want to retain a class division that gives a monopoly on empowering work to a coordinator class and then elevates that class above workers? If we want a movement that welcomes and empowers working people, doesn’t that mean it must be guided by working class needs and desires?

For coordinator class members who will be okay with activism that benefits mainly workers, their involvement will certainly be highly beneficial to movements seeking real change. But for coordinator class members who won’t be okay with workers gains reducing coordinator advantages, their involvement could interfere with seeking classlessness and could become a serious barrier to retaining working class participants - just as the involvement of racists and sexists can be a barrier to retaining people of color and women participants. 

My worry is that if we adopt slogans that place a big onus on even admitting that there are class differences within the 99%, much less on calmly and supportively delineating those differences and finding respectful ways to address them, then the obstacles and barriers we face could grow to be insurmountable. 

My worry with the slogan we are the 99% is that maybe we need to find a way to talk about ourselves which welcomes participation, by all means, but which also admits differences that need to be addressed. 

The desire to address and deal with differences by eliminating elite positions in a new economy is evident in our movements’ attention to self management and participation. This is what our attention to process is ultimately about, getting rid of hierarchies of power and influence. So, without becoming sectarian, without becoming judgmental, without becoming personalistic - can we make this desire truly and deeply real? Can we pay attention to class differences which, if they go unmentioned, will get in the way of self management and participation, as they have, repeatedly, in the past? I think we can, and that we need to. 

 

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Slogan's vs Analysis

By Agnostic, Justin at Mar 01, 2012 03:16 AM

I think for the issue raised by Michael to be discussed productively we need to discuss the difference between slogans and analysis.  I am borrowing a bit from another z-net-er (Paasonen, Karl-Erik’s comment on Hahnel’s similarly named article “99%?”). 
 
Slogans are used for “outside” and analysis is used for “in side.”  In other words we use slogans to communicate with and to persuade people who are not movement members.  Slogans are necessarily limited by length, and location and time of delivery.  It would not due to have a pareconish essay on our signs or for our chats.  What a slogan does is reduce a point of view or demand to the simplest abstraction, in order to communicate with those who may or may not want to receive your message.
 
What the “We are 99%” slogan does is draw attention to how the “game” of our economy is rigged in favor for the 1%, or capitalists.  Just as Michael points out.  For this reason I think it is a good strategy.
 
That being said we must make sure our slogans are not our analysis, and are not dogmatic phrases that we cease to use to communicate with others, but repeat to ourselves to maintain “the faith.” Within our movement, and probably more accurately, within currents within our movement, we must also have analysis.  I think that Michael’s contribution to class analysis of adding a third class necessary to modern capitalism is absolutely right on; and, when we are building movements we need to diligently educate ourselves and our comrades to the insights of this new-ish class analysis, and the dangers of ignoring working class-coordinating class distinctions.  At Occupy this can come in the form of teachins, demanding that voices of working people be respected (like we do teachins on sexism/patriarchy and demand that the voices of women and LGBT people are respected, see similar strategies on race oppression, and other divisions), and recruiting people to participate in reading groups and cadre organizations where a deeper analysis is developed.
 
However, there is a dialectic here that I think deserves some discussion.  There is always a tendency for movements to begin to uncritically believe their own slogans.  Internal education and discussion strategies (as I advocate above) are only a partial fix for this.  As such, another partial fix is to use more “accurate” slogans.  Take for example here “We are the 99%” obscures race, sex, gender, and coordinator/worker class distinctions, and reduces the contest to conflict between the capitalist class and a faceless everyone else.  Is that a negative thing?  Certainly.  But the difficulty is coming up with better less obfuscating (having a tendency to cover up) slogans, which also do not surrender the primary function of slogans: communicating with people outside of the group under non-ideal settings (again there can be no pareconish essay in chant format).  There can be no pareconish essay in chant format for two reasons: first, people outside of the pareconistas do not know what the terms mean; and two, the concepts require too much elaboration to be reduced to short phrases universally understood (or at least they will require that elaboration until the concepts become more common place).
 
My suggestion, strive for more illustrative, and less obfuscating slogans, but also keep in mind that the goals of slogans is to communicate with people outside of the movement.  Simultaneously we must develop analysis internal to the movement, and counter act the dangerous obfuscations of our own slogans and propaganda.

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Re: Slogan's vs Analysis

By Albert, Michael at Mar 01, 2012 14:20 PM

Hello Justin,

I hope we can agree that for anything we say or do, the issue is, what is the impact on our efforts to win change - and ultimately a new society.

There are certainly things we say and or do that have a different basis and different standards than other things, not least due to being shorter, or the audience, etc. I agree... But the general criteria does apply, I hope you agree, and I think you do from you comments, nonetheless. As I tried to suggest in the initial essay, while there are benefits of the slogan "we are the 99%" - it also seems to me that, especially over time, there are debits. And that they are serious. So, if that is the case, the question would become, can one find ways to talk or to do - in this case slogans - that have the benefits but not the debits?
 
You say, "Slogans are used for “outside” and analysis is used for “in side.”" I don't think that that is particularly true in this case - setting aside what it would mean if it was - and I think in all cases it is at most partially true. The slogan "We are the 99%" seems to me to be affecting thought, inside. We become what we say, we become what we do - is a useful thing - slogan - to keep in mind. If we say x - over and over - and we have to rationalize it to others, justify it to others, celebrate it as wise and righteous - or if most of us tend to, at any rate - it will impact who we are. In this case, that can have negative results.

When you say "In other words we use slogans to communicate with and to persuade people who are not movement members.  Slogans are necessarily limited by length, and location and time of delivery," I agree, of course. 

And when you add, "It would not due to have a pareconish essay on our signs or for our chats" - I would say,   of course for the signs - but I probably disagree about the chats. Set aside what the content should be - pareconish or not - I think it is perfectly possible, not even difficult, to chat about matters with a more nuanced substance, and that we ought to.

When you say that a slogan "reduce(s) a point of view or demand to the simplest abstraction, in order to communicate with those who may or may not want to receive your message," I say, okay - but the simplest abstraction should not distract or distort in some important way, what one is, and what one seeks... If it does, that is a flaw. If not, then great. 

Your use of the word abstraction here is very apt. A good abstraction cuts away that whice is inessential and leaves the key aspects one must attend to. This is precisely the problem with the slogan, however. 
 
You say, "What the “We are 99%” slogan does is draw attention to how the “game” of our economy is rigged in favor for the 1%, or capitalists.  Just as Michael points out.  For this reason I think it is a good strategy."

From other things you say, I am not sure you mean this as I will take it - but - as stated, this, and I hope you will take this in stride - is not a useful argument, at all. However, it is typically how people argue, and so I want to comment on it.

The essay suggests there are benefits of the slogan - and debits - and worries that the debits may have already and certainly can do real damage. To reply that there are benefits - which is not denied in the first place - doesn't take seriously the claims. To say you like it because of the benefits, without attending to the debits, is not serious. Murdering bad guys has some benefits - but the debits far outweigh those - says someone. The advocate says back, the absense of those bad guys would be good, so I like the approach. You see the problem, I hope. So the final sentence is not well based - we shouldn't ever analyze a slogan, tactic, or strategy, and say - it has this feature that is good, and therefore we favor it. An analysis always needs to say it has these positives, these negatives (or we might claim, it has no negatives) and on balance we therefore think it is good, especially if we do the following to offset those negatives. 
 
When you add that, "That being said we must make sure our slogans are not our analysis, and are not dogmatic phrases that we cease to use to communicate with others, but repeat to ourselves to maintain “the faith”," I agree, if one does indeed use the slogan - this is a kind of method of offsetting the negative - I just am not convinced this is happening or will happen enough to offset the debits. 

We of course agree about the desirability of internal movement education, etc. To the extent it occurs, however, I don't think this addresses, (a) is the slogan remotely what we believe and (b) are people understanding it in a way that is helpful.
 
You add that "There is always a tendency for movements to begin to uncritically believe their own slogans."  I agree and would say the tendency arises naturally - you say x. You say it over and over. You argue it. Well, of course now you are vested in x - you don't see yourself as a liar, as a manipulator, as a propagandist - you see yourself as a forthright honest soul. So, as time goes by, the slogan starts to demand your loyalty.

You add, "Internal education and discussion strategies (as I advocate above) are only a partial fix for this.  As such, another partial fix is to use more “accurate” slogans."  

Which is precisely my point, in this case...

You add it would be good to do better - but that we can't possibly have a slogan that conveys all of everyone's beliefs. Of course. But, it is not all - what you or I might mean by all - or nothing. Rather it is, can we have slogans that work well to reach out - but do not distort our beliefs and aims either to those we reach to, or to ourselves?

If the initial slogan was:

we are the victims - I don't think being a victim is something one should be embarassed about...
we are the poor - or we are the impoverished, or the exploited, or the oppressed
we are the occupiers - or perhaps the movement
we are the future - I like this one most, of these few...
we are the resistance

and no doubt there are many other possibilities - it would still not be an essay, of course, it would not capture all views of the movement, or anyone in it - but I think it would not carry the serious negatives...

We are the future, for example - can cover just as many people - but it implies one isn't in our out by virtue of ones income, or even group membership in a class or whatever - but by virtue of agreeing on the future

You suggest "strive for more illustrative, and less obfuscating slogans, but also keep in mind that the goals of slogans is to communicate with people outside of the movement.  Simultaneously we must develop analysis internal to the movement, and counter act the dangerous obfuscations of our own slogans and propaganda."

In reply, I have to tell you - I don't believe in propaganda or slogans that misrepresent - that doesn't mean every communication is a book, or even an essay, or even more than a slogan - but it does mean our communications ought to be highly consistent with our beliefs. This is better communications. And it is less likely to distort us, internally.

The real rub is this, I think perhaps we can agree. How does one have a movement that tries to appeal to elements who are less or even not at all its natural constituency - but would be good to have participate?

What you don't do - the worst thing to do - is to appeal to those elements in ways that put off your real, natural, constituencies - or that attract those elements but without acting to have them really part of the project as it is intended, rather than using the project for their own agendas. 



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Great points....but

By Olle, Eric at Dec 01, 2011 04:16 AM

I don't think there is any correct answer.
 
The crux of the current argument is very much what I am hearing from all sides.  There are several sub-groups inside that 99% and the protestors should "present" their demand and/or problems with this great country.  However, I would like to say I think changing or further definitions would only serve to marginalize the movement.  
 
Why?  
 
For the past couple of decades there has been a deliberate attempt to fracture society and deliberately change the thought processes of the average person through careful word craft (most politicians but primarily right wingers). This causes a very real change in neuronal pathways (mirror neurons) and others.  In order to change the subconscious thought patterns a slogan that can activate both progressives and conservatives (i.e. Hey...I'm one of the 99%) without activating an already ingrained mode of thought that can reject the presented ideas.  Therefore, the 99% slogan is good.
 
Next, what is this movement about?  I really don't know and I think it is still shaping up to be an interesting multi-faceted movement that can be inclusive to all types of thinking and views.  However, this is only IF we can prevent it from being hijacked and makes a simple statement like:
 
"OWS believe in a moral and fair leadership that supports the rights of people (not legal entities) as granted by the constitution." (or something like that)
 
A slogan that can resonate with both conservative and progressives is needed or OWS will more than likely fail.
 
Finally, after finding items that can resonate with the majority of people slowly start finding the common ground the process of winning the hearts and minds can begin (Sorry....low blow). 
 
We have to prevent over-thinking this. The majority of American think on reflex.  Next time you watch a "news" program that you disagree with....Why do you have such a visceral response to certain statements that others seem to believe?  This is the subconscious brain and if progressive want to reform this country we have to retake charged comments  For example "Free Market" and redefine so that people think that Free Market is a well regulated system that prevents abuses by corporations as well as labor (back full circle to the initial definition).  
 
It is time for the 99% to realize that gov't is the child of the people and we have to take care of its growth.  This government is currently going through ADHD adolescent boy going through puberty and needs to be redirected through community service not through telling its parents (the people) how to live.
 
Just some random thoughts.
 

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Perhaps it's more inclusive for a reason

By Krumm, John at Nov 23, 2011 23:05 PM

Hi MIchael (and others)

My general impression is that the 99% slogan is a way to include the poor, the less poor, the middle, the upper middle, and even the upper upper middle in one group. It's divisive and inclusive and the same time, plus as others have said, it has that sound-bite slogan quality to it. However, repeated too much I think it does wear thin (as in, "I'm not part of your %99").
     I'm reminded of the chapter in Howard Zinn's People's History of the U.S., titled something like "The coming Revolt of The Guards," where he made the argument that it will take the "guards" of society (perhaps the coordinators) coming to realize they were on the side of the working class and the poor before any real change can take place. That's obviously still a long ways off, but there's a window for something here.
    

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Glad you raised this

By Wetzel, Tom at Nov 21, 2011 21:37 PM

I've been thinking similar thoughts. I'm not even sure whether "the 1 percent" is defined in terms of top owners of wealth or top income. It's accurate enough if the idea is to put a finger on the plutocratic elite, the big investors who control the corporations. They're probably more like 2 percent but 1 percent is a rough approximation.

Defining "class" in terms of income is a problem. It leads to things like the unions saying they are defending "middle class jobs"...which suggests they identify as part of a class that includes doctors & lawyers and not the working poor. As Steve Early has pointed out, Verizon used this against their workers in the recent struggle, saying technicians were "upper middle class" due to making $75,000  a year. But they are subordinate to management and don't manage other workers, and  that's why they are working class.

Class needs to be defined in terms of the structures of domination, power and exploitation, such as ownership of productive property and concentration of decision-making authority. If "the 1 percent versus 99 percent" is defined in terms of income, then it isn't even about class, even if in fact it does pick out the ruling group.

Proprietors/owners of small to medium sized businesses are not part of the plutocratic elite but many of them are adamantly opposed to unions and often engage in illegal and highly exploitative practices. Whose side are they on?

It's a good thing if small  business owners, managers, lawyers, doctors support some of the same changes we'd like to see, but that doesn't mean the power of their classes -- the actual middle classes -- over the working class should be ignored.

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Re: Glad you raised this

By McGehee, Michael at Nov 22, 2011 14:40 PM

tom, and ive had countless conversations on this and more. from what i can gather the occupy movements seem to be self-organized and self-managed. which is a great development, as well as the bias towards general assemblies and participatory democracy.

but the absence or incoherent culture of thought, or "vision" is troubling. there are colorblind leftists who dont want to talk about race. they think its divisive. they say people of color (poc) can come if they want. these colorblind leftists dont seem to understand that the strategy of occupying city parks removed from our personal lives empowers the more privileged sectors of the "99 percent" to be involved or have sustained involvement. considering wages are lower and unemployment is higher for poc, could it be that they cant drop their personal lives and go play revolutionary and fight with the police over the right to camp out in urban areas?

and ive found that some poc who get this are genderblind or imperialblind. some think talking about gender or sexuality issues is a distraction (i had one black nationalist tell me that its disgusting and unacceptable for lgbt issues to be even mentioned along with black issues since homosexuality is an anglo problem). similarly, some dont want to talk about war. youve probably seen the video of the marine in NY who was shouting at cops not to beat protesters. in discussions about race and class issues with some of these folks i and others try bringing up how the marine says "if you want to kill people go to iraq." when trying to discuss how this is disturbing we are talked down to and dismissed and said its not a conversation about war.

its very important to keep trying to develop this broad "vision" or culture that connects all these issues as being inter-related, and at the same time pushing for occupy activities to extend beyond city parks and into our neighborhoods and workplaces.

one last thing, i noticed recent opinion polls are kind of unfavorable to Occupy. i think the stratetgy of occupying city parks is alienating the working class. no doubt some cynical contrarians of the right will never be won over but the "get a job" retort has something to it. polemically speaking, we can say "with high unemployment getting a job is a big part of our issues," but what is also basically being said is "i dont relate to you. i have to work full time and i have a family to raise. i cant drop what im doing to pitch a tent at a city park. what privilege do you have to be able to do so?"

in summation, while there is plenty of good to say about occupy, there are some constructive concerns. developing a coherent class, gender, and anti-authoritarian/imperial "vision" should be a top priority, as well as reconsidering or broadening our strategy and tactics.

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By Wetzel, Tom at Nov 22, 2011 19:50 PM

i agree michael. Oakland Occupy was scheduling GAs every nite. That orients to those in the encampment and people who have the time and commitment to be there all the time. Few people are in that situation. the whole idea of a multi-issue economic justice movement whch acts in solidarity with various union and community struggles and works on the basis of participatory democracy is a big advance. but it needs to separate this from the actual encampment practice I think.

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Re: Glad you raised this

By Albert, Michael at Nov 22, 2011 16:55 PM

HI Tom,

I hope you are doing well!

> I've been thinking similar thoughts. I'm not even sure whether "the 1 percent" is defined in terms of top owners of wealth or top income. It's accurate enough if the idea is to put a finger on the plutocratic elite, the big investors who control the corporations. They're probably more like 2 percent but 1 percent is a rough approximation.

Agree...

> Class needs to be defined in terms of the structures of domination, power and exploitation, such as ownership of productive property and concentration of decision-making authority. If "the 1 percent versus 99 percent" is defined in terms of income, then it isn't even about class, even if in fact it does pick out the ruling group.

Agree... but I think maybe on this one should give some slack - it is a slogan, after all. But we can ask, does repeating it, making it a kind of central defining claim - yield more clarity, or not?

> Proprietors/owners of small to medium sized businesses are not part of the plutocratic elite but many of them are adamantly opposed to unions and often engage in illegal and highly exploitative practices. Whose side are they on?

There are two different issues - as I know you know. One is what position one is in, in the economy. This can be about just ownership - or, as you and I would prefer - also empowering circumstances. 

But the second issue is, what side is a person on. This is always a matter of that person's views and commitments. One can be by position in a certain class, but of course have views contrary to that class's interests.

> It's a good thing if small  business owners, managers, lawyers, doctors support some of the same changes we'd like to see, but that doesn't mean the power of their classes -- the actual middle classes -- over the working class should be ignored.

Agree...

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By Dominick, Brian at Nov 21, 2011 18:51 PM

I honestly don't know how "accurate" the Daily Show segment on class division within the OWS encampment was, but even if only as parody, it's really quite astute on this matter that Mike is pointing out here.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-16-2011/occupy-wall-street-divided

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By Jones, David at Nov 21, 2011 16:49 PM

This is the time to bring up this problematic slogan, thanks. From the first time I heard it I thought it reeked of "Jewish Banker Cabal" type logic, a Friend/Enemy distinction that was a dangerous distraction.  Yes it is an umbrella under which everyone fits, but the solidarity is an unexamined one.

Angela Davis spoke to OWS and brought up the notion of a "complex unity" , problematizing the rhetoric. I think the concept of subordination,  brought up in this piece, is far more useful  than 99% although I would have more difficulty in delieneating the limits of "empowerment". A coordinator class dynamic is not what I see playing out here locally where it is actually some laborers who seek to moderate demands and preserve the status quo and some intellectuals who try to present more radical approaches. We are all aware of this conundrum.

The primary determinant of  how aware people are to subordination and it's effects seems to be exposure to radical discourses. Some workers have been exposed and some doctors (for instance) have been exposed.  The struggle here is agreeing on a coherent analysis of the crisis.  It is within the "99%" but between liberal reformers, New Agers who just want everyone to get along, and more radical elements but I find the coordinator class within each group.                                                            

A "complex unity" indeed!

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By Albert, Michael at Nov 21, 2011 17:14 PM

> This is the time to bring up this problematic slogan, thanks.

You are welcome.

> A coordinator class dynamic is not what I see playing out here locally where it is actually some laborers who seek to moderate demands and preserve the status quo and some intellectuals who try to present more radical approaches. We are all aware of this conundrum.

There are certainly many issues...but be careful. Sometimes what seems more radical is merely rhetorically so, if that...

> The primary determinant of  how aware people are to subordination and it's effects seems to be exposure to radical discourses. Some workers have been exposed and some doctors (for instance) have been exposed.  The struggle here is agreeing on a coherent analysis of the crisis.  It is within the "99%" but between liberal reformers, New Agers who just want everyone to get along, and more radical elements but I find the coordinator class within each group.                                                            

That is certainly true. 

But you have to look beyond the moment. Over time - in the future - with a movement unfolding, the bigest economic issues will be those that address the real needs and desires of contending classes, or possibly contending classes...

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By Dominick, Brian at Nov 21, 2011 13:40 PM

Mike, I've been waiting for you to publish this. (I knew you would, so I didn't bother trying myself.) I believe this issue will pose the biggest threat to an increasingly successful OWS movement. I often think your abstract encapsulations of this kind are off base for lack of close examination. This one, in my estimation, is not. I see virtually know recognition that the 99% slogan could backfire, or even that "it's just a slogan" -- people seem to thoroughly believe that it's 99% vs. 1%.

Further, I'm not sure the 99:1 ratio is anything other than a good-sounding slogan. It might be 99.5% vs. .5%, or 98% vs 2%, depending what you count. But from what I can tell, the 1% is not even based on the class factor, explicity, as much as it is that the top 1% income bracket benefitted most from economic and tax policy over the last 30 years. What an awful irony it would be if a movement that seems to be very much about class had as its downfall faulty class analysis.

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By Hosepyan, Yetvart at Nov 21, 2011 16:36 PM

This is a great article. One quick comment though is, being a professional engineer authority also comes from knowledge governing the profession. It is unethical to allow a non engineer to function as an engineer on all technical matters that requires an engineer. I am certain the above article does not contradict this but I still feel it requires mentioning. You would not want a nurse to be your orthopedic surgeon of the day just like you would not want the drafts person to design a bridge.

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By Albert, Michael at Nov 21, 2011 17:08 PM

Thanks...

And of course. 

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Re: Finally...

By Albert, Michael at Nov 21, 2011 17:10 PM

Thanks Brian.

Yes, I think you are right that it is basically a good sounding slogan - but so good, and so effective at pinpointing those at the top - and highlighting redistribution - that it has a lot of merit on those grounds. Of course, on other grounds, those mentioned in the article, it has problems. 

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By Svensson, Rickard at Nov 21, 2011 18:57 PM

Good article! I'm trying to read "Parecon - life after capitalism" in swedish at the time. Sorry but I have a question to you however that's not related to this article really. See my mom has been a worker most of her life, but now is starting up her own business. Which is flying people with pain or people who need to get their teeth fixed (from Sweden) to Poland, cause apparently it's cheaper and they have some treatments regarding some diseases that we don't have.

So i am considering giving her my copy of "Parecon" after i'm done with it for her to see an alternative way of structuring a business, also since she studied economics way back in university when Parecon wasn't around. However i personally do believe her business is unsustainable at the time, based on cutting down social services in sweden and our "welfare system" i think, and it'd be terrible for the environment (in an already bad situation) if everyone in pain or with a tooth problem flew to Poland to fix it. So what i've been thinking and can't come up with a solution to is if it's any point in perhaps trying to run a business in a parecon way, even though the business (idea) in itself doesn't take in "externalities" like the enviroment e.t.c and isn't all that sustainable. Or should i just not bother, cause it's pointless? Although i refuse she is already trying to get me involved with it haha.

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By Marty, David at Nov 22, 2011 15:02 PM

Hej Rickard, My name is David, I'm from Madrid. I happen to be working on a similar project, that is building a "business" or coop on Parecon principles, here in Madrid. I am also in touch with the PPS people in Sweden and often go there (Stockholm and Örebro), as I have studied amd lived there for some while. If you're interested in meeting us or following what we are doing, maybe even exchanging information about building a participatory movement in Europe, or just a pareconish coop, please contact me. Davidmarty@hotmail.com

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Re: Re: Finally...

By Volpe, Giuseppe at Nov 22, 2011 16:17 PM

Hi Michael,
I would like to respectfully insist that a slogan is a slogan and an economic and political vision is something very different.
It's a good thing to remind that there are not only two classes etc. But there are many other things that might be said about what the slogan "We are 99%" fails to portray.
I would like to focus on what the Occupy movement is doing or trying to do and on the direction it is going, or trying to go.
The slogan, in my opinion, does not try to convey the idea that "we are right because we are so many". One could also start a struggle under the slogan "we are 10%" meaning,'we are citizens and deserve respect, dignity, freedom, equality etc.'. That would of course be a very ineffective slogan, but the reality behind it would nevertheless be important.
What if the survivers of massacres of native american tribes were to march claiming their rights chanting "we are 1%" (or the appropriate percentage)?
You would only say that their slogan is not so well chosen. Nothing more than that. And you would consider what they are claiming and assess only that and, obviously, their strategy and their goals.
I think it's sad that to the mainstream critics that say OWS has not demands we add our critic that OWS has not an understanding of class relations (or our understanding of them).
I think that first of all we should all be happy that something  quite important is happening and it's happening worlwide and we should contribute our ideas to those who are struggling. Looking at a slogan only, seems the old matter of choosing between the finger and the moon.





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By Albert, Michael at Nov 22, 2011 16:47 PM

> I would like to respectfully insist that a slogan is a slogan and an economic and political vision is something very different.

Of course, but I would add that a slogan can encapsulate a perspective - as well...and even promote one.

> It's a good thing to remind that there are not only two classes etc. But there are many other things that might be said about what the slogan "We are 99%" fails to portray.

True enough - but for me, this is a key thing... so I wrote about it. I bet there are lots of slogans I can think up, or just relay from past use elsewhere, that you - and I - would be highly critical of, with good reason. Here is one - "Today's Pig is Tomorrow's Bacon." I am betting you wouldn't want that chanted all over, etc. So, it is okay to not like a slogan, I think we can agree. I didn't even go that far - I just said I had misgivings about it. 

> I would like to focus on what the Occupy movement is doing or trying to do and on the direction it is going, or trying to go.

Sure, as I have, in numerous pieces...

> The slogan, in my opinion, does not try to convey the idea that "we are right because we are so many". One could also start a struggle under the slogan "we are 10%" meaning,'we are citizens and deserve respect, dignity, freedom, equality etc.'. That would of course be a very ineffective slogan, but the reality behind it would nevertheless be important.

This doesn't seem to pertain I what I wrote...

What the slogan tries to communicate is that regarding the key focuses it is addressing - the economy, mainly - 1% are at the top and the rest of us have shared contrary interests. Well, that is part true, but also part false, I think - or misleading - in the way I described. 

> What if the survivers of massacres of native american tribes were to march claiming their rights chanting "we are 1%" (or the appropriate percentage)?

No more wise than if they marched behind a slogan saying we are the 99%...because one would be not helpful, the other would be wrong...

> You would only say that their slogan is not so well chosen. Nothing more than that. And you would consider what they are claiming and assess only that and, obviously, their strategy and their goals.'

I might say nothing, for that matter...

> I think it's sad that to the mainstream critics that say OWS has not demands we add our critic that OWS has not an understanding of class relations (or our understanding of them).

I don't believe I ever said any such thing. What I did say is I think this slogan can obscure important truths - and I still think it. 

Surely, amidst all the other things I and others have written - this is one more thing that is reasonable to explore... no?

> I think that first of all we should all be happy that something  quite important is happening and it's happening worlwide and we should contribute our ideas to those who are struggling. Looking at a slogan only, seems the old matter of choosing between the finger and the moon.

If you look at znet coverage, and at my many pieces - I think you will find they are happy in the manner you suggest, they try to contribute ideas in the manner you suggest... etc. I have, I think, about ten pieces, or thereabouts, and even regarding this one piece - saying it is just looking at a slogan seems to me to fall far short of what it is doing... but in any event, surely not every piece can look at everything... no?

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By Volpe, Giuseppe at Nov 22, 2011 18:01 PM

>  a  slogan can encapsulate a perspective - as well...and even promote one

Sure enough. And a criticism can encapsulate a perspective and even promote one.

However maybe this  is all a matter of excessive sensitivity on my part.

Plse be sure I know quite well nearly everything you have written. As a matter of fact I'm translating into italian, together with a few friends, a good deal of Znet Commentaries, including yours, at znetitaly.org

I think I understand your position and I surely appreciate it.

It's only that I do not like the idea to hear someone, among  the usual pundits,  saying "Ehi, even at ZNet they say 99% is not 99%" and so on and so forth.

Perhaps I'm worrying too much.

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By Albert, Michael at Nov 22, 2011 18:58 PM

No - you are right, but it isn't clear how to deal with it.

That is, when someone writes howver gently, however supportively, with some concerns - others can quote out of context. But - if we let that silence all concerns, then we allow the misquoters to govern our thoughts...

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Re: Finally...

By Bohmer, Peter at Nov 28, 2011 05:42 AM

As far as i can tell, the professional-managerial or what you call the coordinator class is almost totally absent in the Occupy movement in Olympia, WA and I think also in Portland and Seattle. Occupy Olympia  is primarily young people, many who identify as anarchists and activists although (not all are young); and a lot of people who are homeless, many of whom are also young but not self-identified as activists or leftists.  So coordinator class cooptation here is not the issue, at least in the immediate future.  Peter Bohmer

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