What “Populist Uprising?” Pt. 1
Facts and Reflections on Race, Class, and the Tea Party “Movement,” Part 1
The reigning corporate media describe the Tea Partyers as “anti-government,” but they are no such thing. As the black Left commentator Glen Ford recently noted in a commentary titled “White Nationalism on the March,” “They oppose the government providing assistance – economic, legal, educational, real or imagined – to those that are ‘undeserving,’ which in their world consists mostly of folks that can be defined by race, language or religion (using code words, when required by polite society).” Those parts of government that punish the disproportionately nonwhite poor, subjugate nations and people abroad, and protect wealth and privilege at home do not come in for much protest from the Tea Party set. It’s what’s left of (what the late French sociologist Pierre Bourdieu called) “the left hand of the state” that provokes the “tea baggers’” ire. The (repressive and regressive) “right hand of the state” does not seem to bother them all that much.
LOOKING FOR FRIENDS IN THE TEA PARTY
“To Have a Sane Conversation”
How should left progressives think about and respond to the “Tea Party” people? According to some prominent left thinkers and activists we ought to be trying to reach out to them and connecting with their potentially progressive populist outrage. In a recent Washington Post column titled “Could Progressives Find Allies in the Tea Party?,” Katrina Vanden Heuvel, editor of the leading liberal-left weekly The Nation, calls for liberals and lefties to “have a sane conversation” with the tea-baggers “about taxes, the proper role of government and how to rebuild our economy.” She wants “to redirect the shared grievances of progressives and the more sensible Tea Partyers into a productive politics” that confronts “a system that consistently favors the rich and powerful at the expense of ordinary individuals and families. If we could reckon with some of our similarities,” Vanden Heuvel argues, we might truly build a broad-based coalition for economic change.”
Chuck Collins, director of program on Inequality and the Common Good at the left-liberal Institute for Policy Studies argues in The Nation (in an editorial titled “How to Talk to a Tea Party Activist”) that “Like all social movements, the Tea Party wave is not monolithic.” There are many in this “movement,” Collins feels, with whom left progressives can “find common ground” in defending overtaxed working people against big corporations and Wall Street.
The liberal peace activist Medea Benjamin wants progressives “to begin a dialogue” whereby “Tea Partiers” could be encouraged to link “their anger at out-of-control government spending and soaring deficits” to “what is, by far, the biggest sinkhole of our tax dollars: Pentagon spending…”
The Nation’s John Nichols chimes in with his hope the “The Tea Party movement….stays true to a set of core principles that are rooted in distrust not just of big government but of big banks and big business -- and a healthy fear of those moments when all the bigs get together, as they did during the bank bailout fight.”
“These are the People Who Ought to Be Organized by the Left”
Some of the most interesting and dire Tea Party commentary has come from the legendary Left intellectual Noam Chomsky. According to Chomsky two months ago, the “tea-baggers” represent a popular uprising that could be moving in a more positive peace and justice direction if (to start with) “the left” would start listening with more empathy to their legitimate, working class anger. Chomsky thinks the stakes are high and the mistakes of “the left” are quite grave. “The Tea Party thing,” he told an interviewer, “is a real sign of the failure of the left. These people, they’re a mixed group, but many of them – I would probably say most of them – are the people who ought to be organized by the left. These are people with real grievances….[reflecting the fact that] wages have stagnated [and]…benefits, which were never very great, have declined….If you look at the unemployment figures, which are always understated, in manufacturing industry its back to the Great Depression. And people are not going to get those jobs back. So they have the right to be mad, but the left is not offering them anything.” (Jon Hochschartner, “I Don’t See Much Difference: An Interview With Noam Chomsky,” Z Magazine, April 2010).
Chomsky advanced more elaborate and grave reflections to a leftist interviewer last fall:
"right now …there is a right-wing populist uprising. It's very common, even on the left, to just ridicule them, but that's not the right reaction. If you look at those people and listen to them on talk radio, these are people with real grievances…And in fact they are getting shafted. For 30 years their wages have stagnated or declined, the social conditions have worsened,…,so somebody must be doing something to them, and they want to know who it is. Well Rush Limbaugh has answered - it's the rich liberals who own the banks and run the government, and of course run the media, and they don't care about you.’ Either they just want to give everything away to illegal immigrants and gays and communists and so on.”
”… the reaction we should be having to them is not ridicule, but rather self-criticism. Why aren't we organizing them? I mean, we are the ones that ought to be organizing them, not Rush Limbaugh. There are historical analogs, which are not exact, of course, but are close enough to be worrisome. This is a whiff of early Nazi Germany. Hitler was appealing to groups with similar grievances, and giving them crazy answers, but at least they were answers; these groups weren't getting them anywhere else…”
“…the liberal Democrats aren't going to tell the average American, ‘Yeah, you're being shafted because of the policies that we've established over the years that we're maintaining now.’ That's not going to be an answer. And they're not getting answers from the left. So, there's an internal coherence and logic to what they get from Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the rest of these guys. And they sound very convincing, they're very self-confident, and they have an answer to everything. It’s a crazy answer, but it's an answer. And it's our fault if that goes on. So one thing to be done is don't ridicule these people, join them, and talk about their real grievances and give them a sensible answer, like, ‘Take over your factories.’”
Chomsky’s sentiments were echoed in a recent CounterPunch essay by the left singer and songwriter David Rovics. Referring to the Tea Party and talk radio crowd, Rovics argued that “These are people who are often working two shit jobs to make ends meet whereas a generation ago one would have done just fine. They very legitimately feel disenfranchised. These are people with very legitimate complaints, and dismissing them as racists or whatever other label people on the left want to put on them is simplistic.” Raising the specter of “a real fascist movement in this country,” Rovics warns that the future will be bleak, and ugly, and filled with ‘patriots’….if the so-called progressives of this country can't snap out of their Obama-induced slumber, take to the streets and vocally break ranks with both corrupt parties that are driving this country into the ground…”
The “Tom Frank Kansas Thesis Raises its Ugly Head
Chomsky and Rovics are treading some common ground with the liberal historian and Wall Street Journal columnist Thomas Frank. Like Frank’s widely read but very empirically problematic book What’s The Matter With Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (New York: Metropolitan, 2004), they raise the specter of an angry white working class abandoned by elitist corporate Democrats and picked off by a manipulative, fake-populist right-wing serving the plutocratic agenda of the Republicans and the wealthy Few. Resentment abhors a vacuum: if reasonably angry social-democratic progressives (a “Left”) do not exist to give forthright and actionable answers to justifiably irate and legitimately oppressed people, it is left to some very dangerous and reactionary forces to capture and channel their popular wrath and turn it all in authoritarian, plutocratic ways. But whereas Frank saw nefarious Republicans moving working class Americans away from the Democratic Party with “cultural issues” like guns, religion, gay rights, and abortion (Frank had remarkably little to say about race and militarism), Chomsky emphasizes the right’s use of economic issues (jobs, taxes, trade deficits and more) to seduce ordinary working people in the midst of a Great Recession that Obama inherited from the Bush administration.
WHO ARE THE TEA PARTYERS?
There is much to appreciate in Chomsky and Rovics’ reflections. Reflecting shared subordination to the same “unelected dictatorship of money” that controls the Republicans and much else in U.S. political culture, the corporate-neoliberal Democrats (whose current standard bearer Barack Obama was rightly anointed as “the Kingpin of Corporate Subsidies” by the liberal political scientist Thomas B. Edsall last year) are deeply complicit in the state-capitalist “shafting” of the American working class. Reflexively blaming the nation’s economic problems and related social disparities on the “failed policies of the Republicans,” top Democrats refuse to tell the truth about the richly bipartisan nature of the policies and practices – corporate globalization, “free trade,” financial de-regulation, overwork, de-pensioning and other forms of benefits roll back, the attack on public family cash assistance, and a relentless employer assault on unions and more – through which the economic elite has waged top-down class warfare on American workers in recent decades. The Democratic Party most certainly is, as Rovics writes, “a hopelessly corrupt institution led by people who constantly say one thing and do another.”
There is a chilling and dangerous anger and activism gap on what passes for a Left in the
If the
“The Left” should naturally try to influence and organize everyone it can. Converts from the right and from all classes are welcome (we could certainly use some of the super-rich’s surplus capital to help build our currently weak movements). There’s always a few (or more) potential allies stuck on the wrong side of the political divide.
The CBS-New York Times Findings: Privileged White Hypocrites
Still, what about the “Tea Party” people? Do they really come from particularly aggrieved and working class backgrounds? Are we really seeing legitimately angry working class Americans being steered into the right by clever right manipulators in accord with at least one key aspect of the famous “Tom Frank Kansas thesis”? Is the “Tea Party thing” really rooted in “the people who ought to” – or even could – “be organized by the Left”? Are these “Tea Party” people really motivated primarily by economic issues and problems and just slightly by concerns and sentiments of race, gender, and religion? Are their grievances really all that legitimate and potentially progressive? Last but not least, are they really coalesced into anything that deserves to be considered a “movement,” much less a “populist uprising” (of any sort)?
Based on recently released national data generated by CBS and The New York Times and our own regionally specific (Midwestern) research and observation of the “Tea Party” people, our answers to each of these questions is a resounding NO. In saying this we wish to add that Chomsky (by far and away the leading thinker among all the authorities quoted above) was speaking informally and hedged his argument observations with two important qualifications: (i) “they [the tea-party people] are a mixed crowd” and (ii): “I haven’t seen a study” of the social composition and world view(s) of the Tea Party people. We note also that Chomsky suggested a far better perspective on the Tea Party crowd and its political implications in his reflections on the right-wing Republican Scott Brown”s victory over the establishment Democrat Marcia Coakley in the open seat election for the critical U.S. Senate post formerly held by Teddy Kennedy in “liberal” Massachusetts. As Chomsky observed, citing the findings of Boston Globe reporter Brian Mooney, Brown won mainly in the more affluent
That insight goes much closer to what we consider the real heart of the problem. The angry Tea Party right is actually quite affluent, suburban, white, male, older, and religious. Despite vociferous denials from its members, racism remains endemic within the group. It is not particularly working class and does not generally represent people who have been seduced over from The Democrats’ corporatism. “The Left’s” slumber and quiescence is not so much causing an angry working class exodus to FOX News, the Republican Party, and the Tea Party “movement” as it is simply depressing, discouraging, demobilizing, standing down, and wasting popular and working class energy and thereby leaving the authoritarian sentiments of the in fact ugly and plutocratic, arch-nationalist and racist and patriarchal right dangerously unchallenged.
Who are the Tea Party people? Angry though they may be, these right wing “populists” hardly come from disadvantaged, and working class sections of the
While we are not entirely comfortable with the tendency of some left writers to raise the specter of “fascism” in the U.S. political context (where corporate-imperial “Americanism” seems to hold sway and render classic fascism largely unnecessary and redundant for the power elite), it is interesting (in light of Chomsky’s chilling “early Nazi Germany” analogy and Rovics’ dire warnings about a “real fascist” threat) to observe that (as Leon Trotsky noted again and again during the early 1930s) the class basis for the original Nazi movement in Germany was found among petit-bourgeois, not proletarians.
One of the Tea Partyers' great gripes with Obama, for whom their disapproval is massive (88 percent for Tea Party supporters compared to 40 percent for the populace as a whole) is that his policies (supposedly) “favor the poor.” This curious judgment on the corporatist, Wall Street-captive Obama administration is shared by 55 percent of the Tea Party supporters but only 27 percent of the overall populace. Consistent with this revealing “grievance,” 80 percent of the Tea Party supporters think it is a “bad idea” to “raise income taxes on households that make more than $250,000 a year to help provide health insurance for people who do not already have it.” More than half (54 percent) of the overall populace thinks that is a “good idea.” Nearly three-fourths (73 percent) of the Tea Party crowd thinks that “providing government benefits to poor people encourages them to remain poor” and does NOT “help them until they begin to stand on their own.” That (false) belief is shared by just 38 percent of the less affluent broad populace. The Tea Partyers’ belief that Obama “favor[s] the poor” is related to their frankly risible misunderstanding of the nation’s militantly corporate-centrist president as a “very liberal” chief executive who is transitioning the United States towards socialism. More than three-fourths (77 percent) of the Tea Partiers (compared to just 31 percent of the overall population) consider Obama “very liberal.” A remarkable 92 percent (!) of the Tea Party crowd says that the president is “moving the country to socialism” – a very, very bad thing in their view.
As the CBS and New York Times data shows, Tea Partyers are hardly poor or dispossessed, suffering under the economic collapse and recession, but falsely supporting pro-business, anti-worker policies at their own expense. The “populist uprising” of the Tea Party crowd over current economic conditions reflects their own comparative affluence and lack of willingness to share the benefits they enjoy with others as well as a related venomous propaganda campaign undertaken by the Republican Party, business, and the right-wing media, designed to manufacture anger among relatively privileged sections of the populace. In this regard it is interesting to note the CBS-New York Times survey’s finding that 62 percent of Tea Partiers support Medicare and Social Security – programs they either currently or will in the near future benefit from – while most of them strongly oppose Obama and the Democrats’ health care initiatives – designed (despite the bill’s overall corporatist nature) to extend some protections to the poor and uninsured. Most Tea Partiers oppose the expansion of government in order to pay for social welfare services, with 63 percent believing that “we should be reducing the size of the federal government” rather than expanding it. There are some parts of the supposedly evil welfare state that they do not wish to see dismantled, however: programs whose benefits they enjoy.
The Tea Partyers are symptomatic of a broader egoistic hypocrisy among much of the nation’s relatively well-off populace. Their problem is not really with big government and welfare (as long as they benefit); rather, they despise government when it is employed to help the poor. Disturbingly enough – and as we will show in an upcoming piece – those who already have health care coverage are systematically more likely to oppose Obama and the Democrats on health “reform,” while those who have no coverage are more likely to support the President and his party on that issue. In short, it’s the affluent middle and middle upper class who are the most likely to be taken in by the Tea Party/talk radio rhetoric.
“THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE ANGRY:” A REPORT FROM
Our observation of the Tea Party crowd on the ground in
One thing that cannot quite be adequately conveyed by survey data and which requires direct experiential observation is the Tea Partyers’ deep underlying racism. The
One interesting and not so post-racial moment came when John O’Hara, president of the right wing Illinois Policy Institute and a leading national figure in the Tea Party “movement, “spoke to the
Black and Latino residents of the
Returning from the
“Naturally, the average Tea Partyer – when sober – will deny having ‘a racist bone’ in his body, but any group whose unifying characteristic is daily engorgement on Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck is, by definition, racist. Anyone who tries to tell you different, is far too tolerant of bigoted behavior, assumptions and speech to be anything but a closet racist, himself.”
“Tea Partyers live in a world of throbbing hatreds that render them damn near incoherent. They shout and hoot and holler in fevered support of political statements with which they cannot possibly agree. For example, the highly popular “Limited Government” plank of The Contract states: ‘The purpose of our government is to exercise only those limited powers that have been relinquished to it by the people, chief among these being the protection of our liberties by administering justice and ensuring our safety from threats arising inside or outside our country’s sovereign borders.’”
“That means, the government should provide only police, criminal justice and public safety services, and a national defense. No public schools or publicly supported colleges, no tax breaks for homeowners, none of the public supports that ‘middle class,’ ‘law-abiding,’ ‘patriotic,’ ‘taxpayers’ with strong ‘family values’ have been demanding for themselves for the last 65 years. (‘And don’t you dare touch my Medicare!’)”
“Any ‘movement’ that actually believed in as shrunken a government as The Contract describes would be either very rich, or very tiny. The plank only begins to make sense when understood as a kind of scatter-shot code talk for restricting government assistance to ‘worthy’ Americans, and cutting the flotsam and jetsam people loose.”
Rovics says it is “simplistic” to see the Tea Party and talk radio crowd as “racists or whatever.” Without simplifying the complex issues of race and class/classism in
It’s useful perhaps to think of an historical analogy when assessing whether – or the degree to which – the Left should be reaching out to the Tea Party. Here is a reasonable question for those progressives who want to “find common ground” with this “movement”: if you were a civil rights activist during the 1950s and 1960s, would you have thought it realistic to expect southern segregationists to play an integral part in actively working toward desegregation? Elitist white racism dressed up as the common man’s populism needs to be openly ridiculed and shamed to the point where its proponents are either forced to abandon their reactionary beliefs or their racial intolerance is forced underground and is no longer considered an acceptable part of public discourse. Much of the Tea Party backlash is characterized by religiously and racially motivated hatred of Obama as a black, foreign, and Muslim threat. This can’t all simply be reduced to people with “real grievances.” The Tea Partyers are mainly people of overlapping racial and socioeconomic privilege. They are intent on maintaining that privilege at the expense of disproportionately poor minorities. The ugly message at Tea Party rallies is clear: “keep your hands off my money; social welfare is fine, as long as I’m the beneficiary, but if my taxes go to the poor and needy, I’ll scream in the street until they’re cut off.”
This is a toxic brew. It reflects a culture of greed, narcissism, nationalism, white supremacy, and self indulgence. The Tea Party at its heart is a tool of the neoliberal corporate-imperial state, singing praises of “small government” and “free markets,” while quietly demanding massive state welfare subsidies for oneself, and demanding “market discipline,” “personal responsibility,” and “rugged individualism for the less fortunate. On the global stage, it is worth adding that, as Ford notes, “all but a sliver of the Tea Party crowd are belligerent hawks, as racist in their global worldview as in their domestic outlook. Just as they reject a national social contract with non-whites, they reject any compact with other peoples of the world, particularly the non-white ones. White nationalism is warlike, expansionist, and proud of it – a grave danger to the survival of humanity.” While we agree that the Left should seek to make inroads with those privileged Americans who have been seduced by the culture of greed and buy into Republican-Tea Party propaganda, our first task remains mobilizing the poor and disadvantaged who already support progressive policies but have largely been ignored in and marginalized by the political process. The privileged in
We have in this essay consistently put the word “movement” in quote marks throughout this report for reasons that will become more evident in its next installment. In Part 2 we will present numerous reasons to view the Tea Party’s claim (seconded by some left intellectuals and activists) to be a social movement or “uprising” at all with extreme skepticism. We will also examine the true elite forces behind the “movement,” why and how dominant
Anthony DiMaggio is the author of the newly released When Media Goes to War (Monthly Review, 2010) and Mass Media, Mass Propaganda (




great piece
By Garrett, Dean at Apr 24, 2010 04:16 AM
Excellent article. Look forward to the next part.
You mention Chomsky in the article. In recent months, Chomsky has organized some of his talks around suicide pilot Joe Stack's explanatory final letter, possibly in an attempt to try to address the legitimate grievances of some of the sorts of people who are talk radio followers. While Chomsky has focused on the deprivations Stack saw in his childhood and on the financial difficulties he claims to have had throughout his life, and while the mix of left and right slants in the suicide note has been noted by many, Stack's suicide letter indicates that he was someone who could afford to hire lawyers and accountants, i.e. not poor, and his murderous final act was clearly influenced by right-wing anti-tax ideas. Joe Stack may not have had as much money and influence and as many possessions as he would have liked, but he was hardly one of the impoverished, whatever legitimate grievances he may have had.
This seems relevant here in the context of the study showing that the active Tea Partyers tend to be rather well-off and resent being taxed at all to help the poor or people of color. I personally find it almost impossible to have much sympathy for such people. Like Marc Schuler, I also come originally from an extremely right-wing part of the country (Dallas, Texas) and was raised by extremely right-wing parents, actual acquaintances of Dick Armey who were explicitly anti-Black and anti-poor. Though of course not everyone is the same, it seems to me a supreme waste of time to try to find common ground with such people. Our writings and organizations are out there and easy to find if they want to join - not as easy to find as Fox News but they are there. And the Libertarians I've talked with are often similar to Republicans in that, as long as they aren't being affected, they don't care if other people are being oppressed or deprived of freedoms (which, like all US right-wingers, they tend to refer to as "liberties"), even if it's by the "big government" they claim to despise.
A friend of mine feels that it is a waste of time to try to find common ground with current, post-1980/Reaganspawn/talk radio US right-wingers "in the short run". He feels we should continue to organize as best we can, do the work we think necessary, and when we're influential enough, they will be influenced by us, a situation which has obtained at various times in the past.
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standing
By Kane, Paul at Apr 24, 2010 03:37 AM
The 'Tea Party Movement' would have virtually no popular standing at all were there a meaningful Left alternative. As it is, the TPM functions mainly as a nice boogie man to drive Lefties who might be on the verge of actually thinking about their mindless devotion to the DLC Dems, Obama in particular, screaming back into the arms of their tormenters, the DLC Dems.
We can continue to obsess about the Tea Parties or we can take care of our own damn business, which is to BUILD A MOVEMENT, a truly Left movement, a movement that does not need Liberals or Dems. We need to recognize that Liberalism has always been a movement that represents the interests of the upper middle class, and no one else. Liberals are not our friends. And they are a distinct minority in the population. We are the majority. We on the Left need to stop giving our power way to the Liberals. They will ALWAYS abuse it. Always.
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Re: standing
By notme, at Apr 24, 2010 12:35 PM
Amen to that!
One thing I note is that its usually the websites that are much closer aligned to the Democratic Party that obsess the most about the tea-baggers. Please note I do not include Misters Street and Dimaggio in that group. But, at other sites around the internet, I get the distinct impression that all of the stories about the 'tea-baggers' are mainly on the pro-Democrat websites and mainly there to try to keep their base in line.
Obama and the top Dems have to know they've shafted their base and that their base is not happy with them. So, what I see in response is all the tea-bagger articles. For awhile it was Sarah Palin articles. Now its Tea-Bagger artilcles. The Democrats use the politics of fear just like the Republicans, and this is their latest incarnation. They want to scare everyone who's mad that the wars are continuing, mad that wall street gets all the money, and mad that single-payer got completely stuffed by the Democrats ..... the Democrats want to scare everyone in this group with stories about the mighty tea-baggers who are organizing and becomeing a force and oh-my-gawd you'd better vote Democrat this time around or else these crazies will take over the country.
If you think this way, then paying too much attention to the tea-baggers is a mistake because its only a distraction to try to keep people exactly like us from using Obama's lies to organize his pissed-off base away from him.
But, I still think we are a powerless minority. The left today can't even get meaningless symbolic stuff like a silly hearing from Obama. The left has zero political power today. And if we are campaigning on an issue where we agree with the tea-baggers, then maybe if we can at least tolerate each other then we migth both get a little closer to getting something done. For instance, almost all the tea-baggers hate that wall street gets the bailout money. If you are waging a campaign against wall street, why not use that?
I am a beliver in 'build it and they will come'. Mr. Street spent a lot of time in Iowa a while back, so maybe he'll appreciate that reference. :) My belief is that if we start to buld the movement we want, then others will come find us. We won't need to go looking for allies. Build what we want to build, then let the rest of the world see it and go 'Oh!", and then they will come.
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Re: standing
By Street, Paul at Apr 25, 2010 17:43 PM
PK says: "As it is, the TPM functions mainly as a nice boogie man to drive Lefties who might be on the verge of actually thinking about their mindless devotion to the DLC Dems, Obama in particular, screaming back into the arms of their tormenters, the DLC Dems. "
Oh I think that function is very real. And it is quite remarkale how often a robotic Democrat Obamanot will (quite absurdly) call you a tea bagger for daring to critique HHDO (His Holiness the Dalai Obama) on anything from the left (and there's a whole lot to criticize the Obama from the Left - a whole book's worth, as my next book will show). I have run into that again and again.
But I am afraid that - as Chomsky thinks and I agree --- the Tea Party thing is pretty ominous. Beyond the relatively small and petit-bourgois "movement" cadre (itself manipulated by the rich and powerful including GOP elites),big #s (48 percent in a Rasmussen poll) are identifying (however substantively or superficially) with "Tea Party" positions on major issues.
A lot of the left's weakness is its fault but the media's role is critical here. Big progressive numbers can come out to protest and otherwise speak for peace and justice and the media refuses serious coverage. 714 Tea Party folks show up in some town in Minnestoa and its front page news. This is very pronounced and its a key point relating to dominant media's role in enforcring the narrow authortarian parameters of acceptable politics. I went off about this in an earlier comment and won't repeat but to me this is very critical - the role of the media in feeding both the sense and the reality of left progressive vacuum and thereby feeding --- quite ominously ---- this ugly tea party thing as the default identification for popular outrage. The comparatively privileged and hard core people (some quite vicious) showing up at the rallies are one thing...the broader circles of at least partial support are another and include more working class people.
This is of course a reason to get serious about building big truly left movements. There's no conflict between (a) acknowleding the actual threat posed by the Tea Party thing and (b) understanding the need to build left movements. Actually a and b are quite complimentary, for popular resenment abhors a left vacuum. If we have no left alternatives to corporate imperial fake and managed democracy under nominal Democrat rule then the far right (with the "Tea Party" and talk radio and also [the most truly proto-fascist signs] the rising number of militias in the lead) will suck up all the legtimate populat anger that isn't just depressed and demobilized.
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Response
By Street, Paul at Apr 24, 2010 00:52 AM
Glad I ---- actually we (the other author is Dimaggio) --- made you think Marc. There's a lot of people to talk to. .I don't put the Chicago area Tea Partyers --- with their belief that the "undocumented worker" Barack Obama is an Islamo- "socialist" (a terrible thing in their opinion) who "favors the poor" (again another awful in their opinion...though they seem to want their Medicare and Social Security coming into their housheolds) --- all that terribly high on my list of who to converse and make common ground with I'm afraid. We bring up the race issue (which is very pronounced and ugly in the Tea Party and talk radio crowd whether some white progressives want to hear about it or not) precisely to counter top-down divide and conquer, not to feed it.
I could swear this essay got demoted from the top to the bottom of the page today...When I looked this morning it was above Amy Goodman; now its at the bottom. Not sure I've ever seen that. Or maybe I'm just having a narcotic flashback.
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Re: Response
By notme, at Apr 24, 2010 12:52 PM
When I step back and look big picture, what I see is that both the left opposition and the right opposition are completely powerless. Neither has the ability to influence the course of the country in the slightest.
You could say the left's agenda for the Obama era would be something like ...
-- end, or at least scale back the wars
-- stop bailing out wall street and use the money to stop foreclosures and stimulate or just plain create jobs
-- single payer health care
-- labor got the promise of 'card check' from the Democrats
-- prosecute the criminals of the Bush years.
The left has gotten none of that. Not even a whiff. From that, I conclude the left is completely powerless today.
The right opposition isn't much better. The Republicans lie to them, and they rarely get what they want. Especially not the libertarian right. There was as little libertarian thought in the Bush era as there is progressive thought in the Obama era.
So, I see two powerless and ineffective opposition movements. I can't help but wonder if maybe we might have a slightly better chance of getting at least a little of what we want if the two movements worked together when they agree with each other.
Then again, I was always a dreamer.
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Missing Key Differences
By Street, Paul at Apr 25, 2010 17:52 PM
John --- on your last comment: No. You are wrong to equate the lower power of the left and the higher power of the hard right. Please note that the Tea Party thing is given all kinds of front page coverage and plays a significant role in helping dominant media and the GOP enforce the narrow parameters of corporate-managed and imperial U.S. politics. They (the hard right) put a thousand people in a state capitol and its front page news. We put many thousands out for peace and justice and its not covered or barely covered. This all relates back to top down questions of class rule and media ownership: the Tea Party thing (which now polls better than Obama [of whom you know I am a persistent left critic] on issues) is no real threat to the power elite and is in fact significantly coordinated from above by the economic elite; left movements, actual social movements, do not serve the same goals and thus do not have the same power. I think you are really missing the boat on the differences here and that this is no small matter.
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What's the matter with "What's the matter with kansas?"?
By Kane, John at Apr 23, 2010 23:51 PM
Hi Paul,
I'm going to read this piece more in-depthly later, but at first glance I noticed your qualm with Frank's work. I was just wondering if you could elaborate on that a little as I did find a couple of extremely useful insights in the book.
My first reaction to the Tea Party "movement" (and I continue to believe this) is simply that it is a coalition, involving many currents (some overtly racist, some homophobic, some very pro-capitalist, some very religious, etc.) that essentially needed a way to be relentlessly critical of Obama and the Dems (to which they often simply refer to as "the Left") without being shutdown by the easiest retort: "Hey, you think Bush was better?!" With ratings so low, it became easy--and very necessary--to throw the Bush administration (nominally) under the bus (I say nominally because it seems that Rove and Cheney continue to play a role in creating Tea Party talking points). By dismissing the previous administration, they now had Libertarian license to say whatever they wanted about the current administration. I believe that there are some true Libertarians within the group, but it is no coincidence that the group was unknown (perhaps even non-existent) before the Obama administration.
The Tea Party has attracted all of those who wish to voice their grievances (be they homophobic, latently racist, libertarian, pro-Christian, etc.) but understand that they must find a standard by which to also criticize the Bush administration, so as not to appear simply pro-Bush/Republican rather than anti-Obama (because it would be much harder to build a broad coalition which supports Bush Republicans). Therefore, what is the most easily applicable, catch-all talking point by which to criticize Dems, while at the same time guarding yourself against the "At least he's better than Bush!" retort?
"Big Government. Big Government. Big Government. Bush did it. Now Obama's doing it more."
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Re: What's the matter with "What's the matter with kansas?"?
By Street, Paul at Apr 25, 2010 17:15 PM
John - Frank's core thesis of working class votes being stolen from the Democrats by clever Republicans through the cultural issues of guns, gay rights, and abortion has been empirically taken apart in various places including (most rigorously) Larry Bartels' book Unequal Democracy (2008).. The other thing about Frank's book is that it paid astonshingly little attention to race and militarism as factors in why some working class whites might vote Republican. Having said all that I will also add that Franks is often misunderstood by liberals who cite him to argue that the working class is stupid. If you read What's the Matter with Kansas to the end you see Frank arguing that the corporate takeover of the Democratic Party causes it push workers' economic issues off the table and therefore to quite logically (and deservedly) lose working class votes.
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Re: Re: What's the matter with "What's the matter with kansas?"?
By Kane, John at Apr 26, 2010 02:00 AM
Paul--thanks for responding. I will certainly have have to check out "Unequal Democracy." I can see how some could construe Frank's work as condescending toward working class folks (thus feeding into that familiar narrative that conservatives so fervently scream about--i.e., "the elite, out-of-touch liberals who are not themselves part of the working class"). Of course, this would be an unfortunate understanding of the book. I think that conservatives have been effective in tapping into so many other deep feelings (racism, homophobia, militarism, american exceptionalism, machismo, etc.) that it became only a small push to get many to believe in the free market mantra...especially when it is labeled as "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps," "being responsible," "being self-reliant," "you know, all of the qualities that make us good, hardworking Americans." I recently finished Lance Selfa's book "The Democrats: A Critical History." Not sure if you've read it, but I think you'd enjoy it.
(p.s., was your above comment, under "missing key differences," in reference to my comment? I was somewhat confused...)
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Should have said "Marc," not "John" + further comments
By Street, Paul at Apr 26, 2010 17:49 PM
John - yes I should have said "Marc," not "John," in the "Missing Key Differences" comment above. I have lost all access to correction functions in the comments sections...a technical glitch; I can't correct comments.
On "the elite, out-of-touch liberals who are not themselves part of the working class:" hey, just because FOX News says something exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Even a broken clock tells time right twice a day. I know those liberals very well, I am afraid --- not a pretty story.
I reviewed Selfa's book (which I like very much) on Z under the the title "Hope Killers: Why the Left Must End its Dysfunctional Relatinship with the Democratic Party." Should google right up. I also reviewed it in print at ISR.
Bartels destroyed Frank simply at the level of voting data...on how and why people voted in 2000 and 2004 I think. (Frank is not concerned with voting data...not sure he even knows how to access it). Bartels also noted (as I did the day Kansas book came out or close) Frank's egregious failure to factor in race...(I'm not sure how Frank could have been so indifferent to race given his many years on the heavily race-segregated South Side of Chicago [well, in bourgeois Hyde Park, Obama's great "South Side" neighborhood...a neighborhood that is loaded with those aforementioned elite liberals]).
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Divide and Conguer
By notme, at Apr 23, 2010 22:10 PM
One mistake to try to refer to the 'tea-party' people as a homogenized group. What would we think of a writer who tried to define progressive politics based on the averages that come from a CBS/NYTimes poll? Would anyone on the left think that such a description in anyway captures the diversity and energy of the various 'leftist' movements? So, I don't tend to assume that such a poll is any more accurate in describing a right-wing movement.
When you actually talk to 'tea-partiers', you'll find a variety of different people who come to be there for different reasons and who hold different views. BTW, you'll probably also find some plants who are organizing the tea-partiers for very non populist reasons.
For instance, there can be a very libertarian thread to some of the people that you won't find at all in the pro-Bush style sorts of rightwingers. When you are talking to people of that sub-group, you'll find you can find significant opposition to the wars. On the other hand, ten feet away you can be talking to someone else who's very pro-war in the pro-bush style. But even then, you can have some interesting discussions by asking why are we fighting these wars. If you push past the propaganda sound-bite answers that you'll receive at first, there's ground to be made.
You can find many among the tea-baggers who think the government has too much power. When Obama came to Denver recently, a local DEA office head had just very publically declared war on the medical marijuana movement by making one very public raid and threatening on local TV many more. This of course meant there was a rather large turnout amongst the Obama protestors from the medical marijuana comunity.
Now, this wasn't really on the radar of the tea-baggers, but it was easy to talk to them about it. Again, amongst some on the right there is a strong libertarian style view that's offended by government officials raiding anyone's home. So it was easy to get a great deal of sympathy from the 'tea-baggers' as to why this other large group of protestors was out here. (The medical marijuana people far outnumbered the PDA types on the left). These were actually interesting conversations, as they would often start with some very negative stereo-typing from the right-wingers towards the 'stoners'. But, as you talked and explained what was going on, it was very easy to drum up right-wing opposition to federal law enforcment officials raiding people who were only following a state constitution that had been passed with nearly 60% of the votes. Start talking about democracy and whether the DEA should be conducting these raids and you could frequently get a good response.
Wall street bailouts and this reacent awful health care bill were also two other areas where it was very easy to get agreement from almost all the 'tea-baggers'. (Hint for anyone organizing opposition to Obama's pitifully weak finanical regulation bill ... there are allies on the right to fight wall street).
One of my favorite moments was that when I was back over standing with the crowd of mm activists, one of them was holding a 'Don't Tread on Me' flag. Eventually, one of the right-wingers came by and he was carrying his own 'Don't Tread on Me' flag. It was fun to get a conversation started between these two people.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think the right-wing protestors and the left-wing protestors are ever going to form one big happy family. There's always going to be differences. The key though is to realize the very large areas where both sides are in agreement. And that's generaly that both sides object both to the buying of our government by those who give millions. And both sides object to the use of government force and spying on its own citizens. You can also find agreement against the war with the rightwingers who come from a more traditional conservative background that says America shouldn't be going overseas to fight wars like this. And yes, sometimes you will need to bite your tongue and just agree to disagree on some issues.
To me, that's plenty to agree on. And its ridiculous to think that I'm supposed to hate other people who largely agree with me.
And what's really interesting to me is the very large efforts I see on left and right that attempt to make sure the two groups hate each other and never talk and never work togther. From the right, anyone to the left of Reagan is derided as a 'socialist' or a 'communist' in an obvious effort to stir up hate from the right towards any who oppose the government from the left. And from the left, there are these constant attacks on the 'tea-baggers' filled with all sorts of reasons why we should hate them and never talk to the opposition on the right.
Divide and conquer has long been an effective strategy.
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Re: Divide and Conguer
By notme, at Apr 23, 2010 22:24 PM
I suppose one difference is that I grew up in a very right-wing area (east Tennessee), and then lived in Atlanta GA for 20 years. So, even though I've become a bit to the left of the Democrats in terms of politics, I've known right-wingers and have talked to right-wingers all of my life.
So, I didn't start with any mistaken notions like believing that the 'tea-partiers' were a populist movement that was really wasnt' leftist only because of strategic mistakes by leftist organizers. I've known right-wing populism my whole life. So, I pretty much knew what I was going to find when I walked over to talk to the tea-baggers outside the Obama appearence last month.
Its left-wing populism that as an American I only really know from history books and reports from the rest of the world :)
Back when I first went to Georgia, I watched Wyche Fowler run for US Senate. Conventional wisdom was that a liberal Dem from Atlanta could never win such a statewide election. But what he did was that he went out around the state and actually talked to people. A lot. And made the connections that they were being screwed by the same banks that were screwing the city folk. Or that insurance companies treated them as poorly as they treated city folk.
To me, that's the blueprint. Go beyond the bs we call politics. Don't talk about movements at all. Don't ask them why they are a tea-bagger. Instead, talk to people about their lives. Get them talking about the fight their family had with an insurance company back when Aunt Louise got sick. Or the way Uncle Harry lost his business because of the way the banks treated him. Talk to them about their real lives, and who's working to make their lives worse.
Do that, and you'll usually find plenty to talk about.
This is true even if they ain't poor. After all, we all manage to talk to relatively well off liberals all the time, don't we? Some times we even ally with them politically.
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Re: Re: Divide and Conguer
By notme, at Apr 23, 2010 22:34 PM
PS ... let me add that I really like Mr. Street's writings. I tried to get anyone I could to read his Obama book before the last election. And would probably still be a very useful read today in terms of understanding the Obama administration.
And I also like the way he comes out here and joins in the discussion about his pieces.
This piece obviously made me think ... enough to write two comments. :) That gets a "Hurrah!" from me even if I don't enirely agree with what the author seems to be saying. You made me think which made me write which usually makes me think a little deeper ...and all of that deserves a "thank you".
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Self criticism
By Street, Paul at Apr 22, 2010 19:50 PM
In my case, this article suggests the need for self-criticism. I initially joined quite uncritically in repetition of the notion that many of the tea party folks are working class people we on "the Left" (a group I am trying to find) should be organizing. i did not follow Noam Chomsky's advice: "don't take it from me, check it out yourself." At the same time it is worth noting that we have not had any kind of impressive and high profile study of who the tea party people (heavily overlapped I might add with the talk radio crowd) really are until the recent CBS-NYT survey (done during the first week of April 2010), And, of course, "the left" should organize anyone it can and there are some useful class tensions between middle- and upper middle class cadre and GOP/corporate elites atop the Tea Party "movement." The cadres tend (as the CBS-NYT survey shows) to support Medicare and Social Security but some of the big shots at the top (ie. the despicable Dick Armey) have long been waging war against both
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Gallup data and further reflections
By Street, Paul at Apr 23, 2010 19:06 PM
In all fairness, I have to mention that in fact a different poll (Gallup in late March.. just sent to me via Facebook this morning) paints a more mainstream socioeconomic portrait of the Tea Party and identifies 28 percent not 18 percent of the populace as supporters of the Tea Party (as opposed to 26 percent who are opponents and 30 percent who are neither supporters nor opponents and 8 percent who have zero opinion). See http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx
Espcially depressing in the Gallup survey: "a sepaarte question included in the March 26-28 poll showed that 37% of Americans view the Tea Party movement favorably and 40% unfavorably, with the remainder expressing no opinion. (Predictably, Republicans and conservatives are most likely to have favorable opinions)."
Clearly there's a distinction between the main Tea Party cadres (people who go to the rallies) and the broader circles of sympathy and support for the Tea Party: the former are certainly more affluent than the latter and the latter (and the talk radio demographic) no doubt includes a good number of working class folks And there's the top-down creation and manipulation of the "movement" by truly wealthy power elites and GOP operatives and (a very big point for me) the dominant corporate media's selling of the TP as (a) a popular "movement" and (b) the only relevant critics of (corporate-imperial) Obama and the the Democrats.
I mean speaking of Gallup look at this poll, which shows that "Socialism is Viewed Favorably by 36 Percent of the Population": http://www.gallup.com/poll/125645/Socialism-Viewed-Positively-Americans.aspx
What now? Good grief: "socialism" (the Tea Partyer's bete noir) gets a favorability rating (36%) just one point less than the Tea Party. How's that for a front page story that would never happen at The New York Times and the Washington Post and other leading outlets of what the Limbaugh loons call "left wing media" ?
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Re: Gallup data and further reflections
By Dimaggio, Anthony at Apr 24, 2010 04:29 AM
Well, After doing some investigation, I've come to the conclusion that the gallup and NY Times polls are not strictly comparable, even though someone might have tried to tell you (Paul) that. They clearly didn't bother to look at the question wording, which you have to do before speaking authoritatively about the polls. The gallup question, after examining its wording, creates an unnecessary polarization when asking if people support the tea party. The question reads: ""Do you consider yourself to be a supporter of the Tea Party movement, an opponent of the Tea Party movement, or neither?"
In contrast, the NY Times poll asks more simply: "Do you consider yourself to be a supporter of the Tea Party movement, or not?, "
Turns out, when you ask someone if they are a supporter or opponent, they're more likely to pick a supporter (28% say they are tea party supporters). When you ask them in a less polarized way if they support the movement or not, then they're less likely to support it (18% say they are tea party supporters). Personally, I think that polarizing questions like Gallup's is probably less reliable than the NYT poll. There's no clear "right" answer in such debates, however, only points of view and preferences. I suppose you could make an argument either way, but this "debate" on the NYT v. gallu polls is largely irrelevant. Turns out, if you look closely at the NY Times poll questionnaire and findings, our figures are drastic underestimates of the tea party's conservatism. When we reference the opinions of "tea partiers" in our article, we're NOT measuring tea partiers who are actively participating in the movement, but simply those people who are active and those (the vast majority of the sample, at about 80%) who've never directly participated, but like what they hear on television about the tea party. For all intens and purposes, then, these are NOT tea partiers in the sense that the media are speaking about it as a "movement" (you have to actually turn out or get involved to be a part of a movement, by definition of the word) Turns out, the Times poll breaks people down between tea party "supporters" (which includes 80% of whom who have never actually participated in it) and actual participants in the tea party ( twenty percent of all tea partiers), and the latter group are far, far more radical than the numbers we cited. So, our concern is with participants in the tea party (those who were actually at the rallies), and it is this group that is deeply reactionary, and nowhere near "mainstream" as the gallup poll falsely suggests.
Hope this clears things up,
Anthony DiMaggio
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Re: Re: Gallup data and further reflections
By Dimaggio, Anthony at Apr 24, 2010 16:16 PM
I should add too, the reason polarizing questions are less useful in THIS case is because they force people to say if they are a supporter or an opponent regarding a group no one knows much about. This might be fine on issues people know a lot about and are familiar with, but that wasn't the case with the tea party (by march 2009). Reviewing polling data, it's clear that by april, 68% of Americans had heard something about the movement. However, only 26% had heard a lot; 56% had heard little to nothing about it. By February 2010, 40% of Americans had no impression of the Tea Party. As CNN Polling director Deating Holland said in February, "The Tea Party movement is a blank slate to many Americans, which is not surprising for a political movement that is only about a year old." In such an environment, in which a movement is very fresh, it's helpful to ask if people see themselves as supporters or non-supporters of a group. non-support is easy to subscribe to, especially for the majority who don't know about it, but forcing people to "oppose" it will likely push respondents away from such an extreme option.
These are the nuances associated with polling data. Usually there are better and worse ways of framing questions for polling issues that are newer or ones in which people are well aware of. I found it humorous that Paul mentioned someone claimed the NYT Polling was consciously manipulated to get a liberal answer, whereas Gallup wasn't. These pollsters are all trained in the same methodology and approach, and bias in questions is usually present in OMITTING questions of moral substance, such as probing whether citizens morally oppose war, or just tactically, pragmatically challenge it. There's little evidence of partisan bias of pollsters, who are professionals, on issues tha tthe mass media and main parties want to talk about, such as the Tea Party.
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