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Why Not A "Project for a Participatory Society--U.S."?

By Stephen Roblin at Sep 12, 2010


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In Cynthia Peter's article "The Most Important Part of Going to the U.S. Social Forum: Coming Home,"  she asks participants of the recent U.S. Social Forum, "Does the Social Forum get stored away as a great memory, one of those 'events' that brought people briefly together and showed us a glimpse of something powerful and inspiring? Do you go back to the daily struggle newly energized but with no ways of institutionalizing that momentum?" She then goes on to say, "the consequences of NOT knitting ourselves together into some sort of larger movement powerful enough to truly staunch the bleeding and heal the wounds are obvious: the wounds keep leaking and our Band-Aids are exactly that."

In my view, the questions and overall point put forth by Peters applies to ZMI grads. Do we return from Woods Hole with fond memories, a few new friends, and leave it at that? Or do we create an institution from the foundation of our shared
commitment to participatory principles and the social bonds formed during experiences at ZMI? My guess is that most of us would be willing to entertain answering the latter question in the affirmative. And lucky for us, there are organizational templates that we could alter to meet our specific needs and objectives, so we wouldn't have to start from scratch.

An organization that I think deserves serious consideration as a possible template is the Project for a Participatory Society--U.K. (http://www.ppsuk.org.uk/). The organization is based on a shared committment to promoting a more participatory society. They've organized themselves into local chapters, which have their own projects. The hub appears to be its central website, which I think is fantastic, substantively and aesthetically. Moreover,  they appear to have been able to overcome geographical distances by initiating local projects within the context of a larger organizational structure.

Would ZMI grads (and anyone else) currently residing in the U.S. be interested in forming a national project, which may be called a "Project for a Participatory Society--U.S."? If so, how could such a project be jumpstarted? One way would be  to send out a call to ZMI grads asking if anyone would be interested in forming work groups to: 1) plan a conference in a year or so with a clear political agenda (as opposed to just a ZMI reunion) and 2) build a central website , which could be closely modeled after the UK version and directly linked with Zcom.

Clearly, it's not simply a coincidence that we all attended ZMI. My huntch is that we agree on too much not to begin forming a strategic bloc within the larger Left.

Any thoughts?

 
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Planting Seeds

By Korte, Patrick at Sep 28, 2010 17:33 PM

I've numbered my responses to Stephen, John, Antti, Edgar, Elliott, and Jordon, and made some general comments as well...

1. Stephen: I think this is a fantastic idea. It is what several of us in New York, Michigan, and a few other parts of the country are trying to establish - that is, a nationwide revolutionary organization unified around complementary holism (the method of social analysis outlined in "Liberating Theory" by Michael Albert, et. al.), participatory socialist vision, and several core strategic concepts (i.e., the importance of building a multifaceted, counter-hegemonic bloc with its own network of organizations and institutions capable of uniting millions of people around a shared vision of a new society and launching a protracted struggle against the authoritarian state, capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy, and heterosexism).

Regarding the convocation of a conference in the near future, I believe it is of great importance for the objectives, rules, and procedures of this conference to be firmly established in advance. This gives participants adequate time to prepare accordingly and avoids the pitfalls of a free-for-all. I strongly urge you to discard your hesitation and to take the next step by offering concrete proposals so that ZMI graduates, as well as folks from Z Communications, local PPS groups (in Austin, Dallas-Fort Worth, etc.), Autonomy Alliance, OFS, and other organizations and projects can provide concrete feedback, as well as make their own suggestions regarding the agenda for such a conference.

I'm unsure what you mean by a "strategic international Left bloc," but if by this you mean the formation of an international federation of national revolutionary organizations unified around a shared method of analysis, vision, and strategy, as well as specific organizational principles, conditions of membership, and programmatic points, then I wholeheartedly agree. Let's get to it!


2. John: I must disagree with your suggestion to "focus a lot on local issues that regular people not too familiar with leftist politics care about, and then educate people along the way about [participatory socialism]." I don't disagree with your emphasis on local issues or educating people along the way - rather, it is your prioritization of short-term reform struggles above the task of unifying revolutionaries (there are more of us than we sometimes realize!) into a common organization. While an extreme minority, there are revolutionaries dispersed across the country and internationally who are already exploring (or would explore if exposed to) the idea of building a new type of revolutionary organization unified around the vision of participatory, self-managed society. It is true that people are unfamiliar with the "participatory repertoire," but this is because we must intensify our efforts to popularize and generalize our analysis, vision, strategy, and program.

The advantage of a revolutionary organization is that the collectively shared vision of the group directly informs and gives deeper meaning to the day-to-day work of a grassroots organizer. People are already struggling around "local issues" (wages, rent, transportation, domestic violence, climate change, healthcare, education, war, police brutality, etc.), but in a scattered and oftentimes short-sighted way. I believe Stephen is correct in stating that the revolutionary process should be "reciprocal" in the sense that our vision informs our strategy, our strategy informs our practice, and the results of our practice inform our vision and strategy and so on and so forth.


3. Antti: Your plans for creating a project in Finland sound fantastic. However, I would strongly urge you to consider utilizing a name broader than "Parecon Finland" so as not to give undue privilege to our economic vision, even if your political work in the opening phase consists primarily of advocating the vision of a classless, participatory economy.

Also, your comment regarding PPS-UK's strategy of local groups (presumably affiliated to PPS-UK) evolving into political and economic councils seems right on. I agree that this is the wrong approach for participatory socialists. I believe historical experience (especially Germany 1918-1923) reveals the importance of revolutionaries maintaining their organizational autonomy. Councils should be grassroots organizations bringing together the oppressed and exploited regardless of one's political allegiance - the emphasis of the councils should be on participatory self-management (that is, the masses of people actually taking control of political and economic life). Members of a revolutionary organization should participate as members of these councils, but they should not conflate the role of grassroots organizations and institutions with the role of a revolutionary organization.

Furthermore, it is reductionist to assume that the revolutionary organization's objectives have been completed once the political and economic councils have been established. First of all, the councils could be crushed by the forces of the state and capitalism, or the members of the councils could have drastically different ideas regarding the reorganization of the polity and economy (i.e., not being fully unified around a market abolitionist program). Furthermore, even assuming the victory of the political and economic councils, our task as revolutionaries is not only the creation of participatory polity and economy, but to smash racism, patriarchy, and heterosexism, and to struggle for intercommunalism, women's liberation, and sexual liberation.


4. Edgar: Please don't assume that geographical differences would prevent you from participating in such an initiative! For example, I believe that producing literature and other media that can be used to popularize and generalize our politics is extremely important during this initial phase, and access to the internet is the only prerequisite for this task. There's still plenty of work for you to do before a revolutionary organization takes root in Latvia!

5. Elliott: I unfortunately think the roots of the problem you mention (that is, visionary groups being few in number) is a result of the fact that: 1.) many advocates of participatory economics lack grassroots organizing experience (this is an assumption based on numerous conversations and could be incorrect), and 2.) we lack an organizational framework for individuals dispersed across the country to jump into. I think it is less an underestimation of the impact a revolutionary vision would have on our day-to-day organizing than it is a clear plan for building a revolutionary organization and strategy for integrating visionary politics into our daily practice. Furthermore, a vision (i.e., participatory economics) is just a good idea until thousands (and eventually millions) of people struggle for its victory, and an organization is a necessary element in facilitating this. We should be audacious in our declaration of war against all forms of oppression and exploitation, and proclaim loudly and clearly that we are of the Left.


6. Jordan: I agree that a network of participatory institutions (cooperative workplaces, for example) is a fantastic idea (as is the idea of a directory of such institutions), and a necessary component of a revolutionary bloc in the U.S., Canada, and globally. But let's not forget that our struggle is against the totality of oppressions, and with regards to the economy in particular, alternative institutions alone won't cut it. We need vehicles of struggle - not only institutions that prefigure the features of the new society, but organizations capable of waging a struggle for power. As Rosa Luxemburg once said, "...in this last class struggle of history for the highest aims of humanity our motto toward the enemy is: 'Hand on the throat, knee on the breast!' ". The beneficiaries of class society will throw everything they have at the working-class, and we will need to utilize a variety of tools in our fight for liberation.


7. Regarding my own experiences with the Organization for a Free Society (OFS), I believe it may be of use to revolutionaries in the U.S. and internationally for us to provide a summation of our successes and failures thus far. Furthermore, I strongly encourage Stephen and others (nationally and internationally) to contact OFS directly to discuss possibilities for collaboration: info@afreesociety.org

In general, we need to follow the example set by people like Mark Evans and Michael Albert who have diligently attempted to establish firm links between various projects internationally, with the long-term intention of building an organization of revolutionaries on a global scale. Unfortunately, many of us (including members of OFS) have thus far failed to participate actively in these conversations. Stephen, I admire you for daring to take another step forward with this proposal!

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Re: Planting Seeds

By Jauhiainen, Antti at Oct 02, 2010 12:03 PM

My thanks to Pat for careful and helpful ideas&comments; some responses and thoughts below:


>> 3. Antti: Your plans for creating a project in Finland sound fantastic. However, I would strongly urge you to consider utilizing a name broader than "Parecon Finland" so as not to give undue privilege to our economic vision, even if your political work in the opening phase consists primarily of advocating the vision of a classless, participatory economy.

We thought about this, and chose the current approach for two reasons: 1) the participatory economic vision is the most developed of these, and we believe it has, at first, the best chance of gaining attention and interest through being able to withstand the harshest of criticism and analysis. 2) We are a very small group, and have to be very tactical in our "moves", hence again choosing a limited sector so we can limit the discussion and field to one aspect. This only at first, we stress in our presentations that something wider is urgently needed, and as soon as people willing to do this are present we will move to this "next phase", a wider structure that accomodates other spheres then simply economics. 

You are right, though, in that a wider approach will be needed, but Parecon Finland will hopefully assimilate into the larger project when the conditions for it are ready - we've just gauged they aren't yet.

>> Also, your comment regarding PPS-UK's strategy of local groups (presumably affiliated to PPS-UK) evolving into political and economic councils seems right on. I agree that this is the wrong approach for participatory socialists. I believe historical experience (especially Germany 1918-1923) reveals the importance of revolutionaries maintaining their organizational autonomy. Councils should be grassroots organizations bringing together the oppressed and exploited regardless of one's political allegiance - the emphasis of the councils should be on participatory self-management (that is, the masses of people actually taking control of political and economic life). Members of a revolutionary organization should participate as members of these councils, but they should not conflate the role of grassroots organizations and institutions with the role of a revolutionary organization.

The information of Germany 1918-23 is excellent, thanks for brining it up! The bringing together of the oppressed and exploited is indeed a more and more urgent goal, and also one that requires deep thought in present circumstances in Finland - US is probably not different, though I don't have much information, only heard and read few inspiring accounts of succesful activities, for example lately from Chicago, centered around house evictions.

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Re: Planting Seeds

By Roblin, Stephen at Oct 12, 2010 22:53 PM

Hi Pat,

Thank you for your comments. Apologies for the late response. I've had my hand fulls with other obligations during the last few weeks.

I agree with your comments and am currently integrating them into a revised proposal. I will post this proposal on ZForums under IOPS. I look forward to reading what you have to say.

I'm most certainly interested in collaborating with OFS.

Stephen

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Re: Planting Seeds

By Stapes, John at Nov 10, 2010 15:58 PM

 Pat, I don't think we disagree, or at least not too much anyway.  Maybe my expression was a bit off.  I was basically trying to say that on top of discussing a participatory society, we should also begin working on it through actual examples at the local level.  I just don't think this should be a group that gets together like a philosophy class would.  I also don't want it to be too doctrinal.  We all know some ISO people who treat socialism like a religion.  We must convert before we can move forward.  Not suggesting that anyone else wants that, but I just thought I would throw that out there.

Stephen, I can't reply to your other post for some reason.  The one about whether PPS-US should go forward.  So I will just post here.  I think it's a good idea to have a national organization to identify with so people feel connected among other things.  Even if it's just a website or a skype discussion with representatives once a year.  Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see too many downsides unless we try to do too much with it. 

Also, I like your PPS-US mission statement.  I've showed it to a few leftist friends of mine and they like it too.  It might not be a bad idea to have a sentence describing a couple of the words like "anti-captalist" and "anti-authoritarian."  Something like, we are anti-capitalist because we think the economy, workplace, and community should be democratically owned and controlled through active and direct participation and organization.  Or something else you like.  I think even a lot of self-identified leftists may get confused on what we mean by that.  Maybe I'm not giving left activists enough credit, but it wouldn't hurt to explain some of the terms with a sentence or two. 
 

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Let's Do It

By Stapes, John at Sep 15, 2010 03:18 AM

I'm just outside of Chicago.  I will definitely be starting something along the lines of a PPS group.  I only worry that it would be tough to find a lot of people who are already familiar with Parecon, Parsoc, etc.  I think it might be better to still start it as a PPS-USA idea, but focus a lot on local issues that regular people not too familiar with leftist politics care about, and then educate people along the way about Parecon, Parsoc, Parpolity, etc.  To put it another way, I think it might be counter intuitive to start off by having too heavy of an emphasis on learning the whole Participatory repertoire.  I think it would be good to start off with the basic outline of a participatory society where everyone has a say, work on local issues, socialize, and also teach people about possible alternatives, and experiment with them along the way.  

That is my long way of saying, I'm in.

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Re: Let's Do It

By Roblin, Stephen at Sep 15, 2010 13:02 PM

"I think it might be better to still start it as a PPS-USA idea, but focus a lot on local issues that regular people not too familiar with leftist politics care about, and then educate people along the way about Parecon, Parsoc, Parpolity, etc....I think it might be counter intuitive to start off by having too heavy of an emphasis on learning the whole Participatory repertoire."

I agree completely. I think it's always best to learn about the immediate problems people face, help them in their struggle to overcome them, and, like you said, along the way educate them about what a more participatory society would look like and how the vision can be useful in their ongoing struggles.  In short, I think the process should be reciprocal, for moral and practical reasons.

"I'm just outside of Chicago.  I will definitely be starting something along the lines of a PPS group."

A lot of people will be starting projects locally. One reason why I like the idea of starting a PPS-USA is so that I can follow the progress of what others are doing. Just being informed can be inspiring and educational.


What I twill do next is collect all the ideas presented in this blog thread and add them to a more detailed proposal. Then I'll email it out to all you who showed interest. You all can critique the proposal, add ideas, etc. Once we're all happy with it, then we could send it out through Znet. Does this sound like a reasonable way to proceed?

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Re: Re: Let's Do It

By Stapes, John at Sep 15, 2010 14:05 PM

Sounds good Stephen.

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Great idea

By Jauhiainen, Antti at Sep 14, 2010 06:29 AM

Commenting from the "sidelines" (Finland, Europe), but hoping to contribute something here as well. It is important for us to stay in touch, and think of serious, winnable projects together onwards - anything else would be terrible waste of our resources and simply contrary to basic human decency that proples social movements to victories, and lack of which would contribute to the possible downfall of our species that we are in the midst of.
 
Likewise, I believe strongly that at this stage the strategy of band-aids is simply a dead end. However, such reformist, short term strategies are all worth their effort, in my opinion, they simply need the direction and coherence that a participatory vision can provide so that they don't remain isolated cases. Without such, they simply succeed and fail at their individual efforts with only short term consequences, and with victories to be rolled back when those efforts lack.
 
PPSUK has, apparently (don't know more of their operations, to my shame), succeeded formidably in creating chapters and groups around budding participatory institutions, and their successess surely are something to be emulated. My concerns regarding their strategy involve the tendency to do what we like, instead of doing what is most effective/needed, and perhaps the idea of evolving smaller groups through time into institutions and nested councils seems to have many pitfalls to me (for example, how to reach people who aren't familiar with "joining groups" or are simply too busy already - many of these are working class people). Without knowing more of it, it is though hard to analyze more clearly, only to say that in any case, what has been achieved in England already looks great, but it's future progress, goals and outreach to other parts of society don't seem clear to me.
 
In any case, I thought I'll use this opportunity to describe our general plans in Finland, in order to get feedback and possibly encourage others to develop similar/new ideas. We are currently in process of creating Parecon Finland, an organization aiming to push participatory economics and it's holistic vision, in time, to wide public discussion in Finland. To succeed in this, we are researching issues that could be analyzed through the "lenses" of participatory economics and then published as a sort of an strategy paper for the particular issues researched. By "published" we mean a series of talks in different forums, debates, direct contacts with politicians and publicly known figures, all of which aim to debate and analyze the particular aspects of participatory economics put forth. With this campaign, we aim to be careful in analyzing which parts (of parecon) gain publicity and for what reasons, and then come back to see and analyze which did not pick up speed - and then start preparing for a new release and campaign, with focus on the aspects that didn't work in the first "iteration". While working on these releases and campaigns, we will be presenting the basics of participatory economics in public libraries and elsewhere, where ordinary working people and citizens can have access to it, and ask questions directly about the idea. We also have smaller, workplace oriented suggestions and ideas that anyone can bring into discussion at their workplace, thus making parecon known and practice it's approach; we've already made some preliminary probings as to be able to tour workplaces (eg. schools, small companies) and present parecon there. Long term planning makes this sort of strategy possible, and to us it seems - at this stage - most effective way to proceed.
 
In the United States situation is probably vastly diferent, with many people willing to join and with already interest and experiences of empowering activist organizing - and at the same much harder to publicize parecon (say, on state level) or get wider interest (possibly?) for serious debate and discussion. Improving this with the vision and clearly articulated shared goals and values of participatory society/liberating theory is surely a good thing, and the "package" provided with this should, with serious organizing and presentation, be something that differentiates the central themes in their clarity from many past and current endeavours and organizations (likes of OFS which tie directly excluded) - as far as I know.
 
Hope all the best to tieing ZMI'ers more closely together, and as others have said, will do as much as needed to help in this - I think it's clear there could be awe-inspiring efficiency and dedication (and victories!) to be reached with long-term and continuous communication and co-operation between all of us.

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Re: Great idea

By Roblin, Stephen at Sep 14, 2010 12:59 PM

"My concerns regarding their [PPSUK] strategy involve the tendency to do what we like, instead of doing what is most effective/needed, and perhaps the idea of evolving smaller groups through time into institutions and nested councils seems to have many pitfalls to me (for example, how to reach people who aren't familiar with "joining groups" or are simply too busy already - many of these are working class people)."

You raise some good concerns. The goal should not be for all us to simply  be aware of what others are doing on the local level. This is why I proposed holding a conference in a year or so. That way a political agenda, voting procedures, and other institutional needs could be decided on. (I should say that I hesitate to offer any concrete proposal because I don't think it should come from one person.) 

As for reaching out to those who are not politically engaged, I agree; this is of the upmost importance. But I don't think it's a problem with nested counciles. I think it's just a matter of people going out to their local community and talking about the ideas, like you all are planning in Finland.


"I thought I'll use this opportunity to describe our general plans in Finland, in order to get feedback and possibly encourage others to develop similar/new ideas. We are currently in process of creating Parecon Finland, an organization aiming to push participatory economics and it's holistic vision, in time, to wide public discussion in Finland...."

Your idea sounds great. In fact, if ZMIers organized ourselves, I'd suggest  that we run a similar campaign. Again, getting out in the community and just talking about the ideas is really important. I'm highly critical of the self-isolating tendencies of the Left in the U.S.


"Hope all the best to tieing ZMI'ers more closely together, and as others have said, will do as much as needed to help in this - I think it's clear there could be awe-inspiring efficiency and dedication (and victories!) to be reached with long-term and continuous communication and co-operation between all of us."

I agree. I think the idea of institutionalizing ourselves nationally and internationall (in some manner) is important. Why not form a strategic interntional Left bloc? 

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Glad to see this post

By Scales, Kemp at Sep 13, 2010 12:44 PM

 

 

Steve,

Your post seems very timely and sensible.  I have been thinking almost nonstop since Woods Hole about what I can do to help with the seemingly overwhelming problems around me.  (I find reading "The Washington Connection and Third-World Fascism," by Chomsky and Herman, and "Killing Hope: The CIA and U.S. Military Interventions Since WWII," by William Blum, to be simultaneously starkly illuminating and numbingly depressing.)

I was particularly interested in seeing the UK website you referenced.  As you say, why not simply start with what they have and go from there -- it seems to be exactly tailored to what we are looking for and would be a HUGE savings in time and energy.

I will help (or "participate", I should say) as best I can.  We all have time constraints, but my more particular constraint is that I am a complete neophyte when it comes to the whole concept of PARECON and Participatory Society in general that appears to have been thought out in such remarkable detail by Michael, Stephen Shalom, and others.  So I need to be studying all of this before I will have much, if anything, to contribute. 

On note of hope, here's something I read in David Dellinger's memoirs, "From Yale to Jail" that I liked and that applies here:  "As I once heard a wise person say, 'If you tell me that what I propose will take a thousand years to accomplish, that's all the more reason for starting this afternoon.'"

Kemp Scales

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Re: Glad to see this post

By Roblin, Stephen at Sep 13, 2010 13:35 PM

Hi Kemp,

I don't think you have to be an expert on parecon and the rest to be participate in a meaningful way.  My view is that theoretically there's a lot of great ideas to experiment with; it's just a matter of experimenting with them. Doing so requires people with a wide-range of diverse skill-sets to be involved. 

What I think I'll do is send out an email to all who showed interest asking the question: What should we do now? Keeping the dialogue going could lead to something. Who knows?

On a different note, Killing Hope is one of the most informative books I've ever read. I refer to it all the time. It's a staple..."simultaneously starkly illuminating and numbingly depressing," that's a good description.

By the way, that's a great quote.

 

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Great!

By Ziverts, Edgar at Sep 13, 2010 09:06 AM

Well, first of all, I believe it is a great idea and, in fact, an obvious one. I mean, you are right that the ZMI needs (was) to be more than just a friendly gathering -- it is a platform that helps us, to borrow Michael Albert's words, plant the seeds of the future society (though not exclusively, of course). So what I can say then is -- let's go for it!

On a more practical and personal note, however, I should say that I cannot really join this very initative due to geographical differences. I am, nevertheless, making a tiny progress towards starting up something similar in my home country Latvia.

So good luck and let's hope this works for both you and I.

E.

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Re: Great!

By Roblin, Stephen at Sep 13, 2010 13:26 PM

Good luck with your project in Latvia! What is important is that our projects becomes linked nationally and internationally. That's why I like the idea of not starting from scratch and building from the Projects for a Participatory Society, the UK and Africa chapters.


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I want to - my problems

By Lapinel, Elliott at Sep 12, 2010 22:09 PM

Yes, I agree.  I have to admit that I don't know how to progress right now, except through ways that don't seem to be working (maybe they will later). 

For me the first step was to contact people who were in political clubs at my school, or as well as to try and connect with former classmates who might be interested.  So far I don't think many people are interested.

Part of it is undoubtedly the typical catch-22, where people won't join until there are more people in the group, but there is another odd problem I think I've noticed.

It seems odd that Znet is such a popular website, but that groups organized around participatory economics are comparatively few. 

I think it is because people underestimate how much parecon can contribute to organizing.  I think the underestimation comes from an irrational fear of appearing 'overly left'.  There are more than a few politically interested people I've met who seem to have this fear.  I think it is probably something that just comes from the standard propoganda, and if people analyzed it consciously they would not be so fearful.  Stay tuned for an exciting and inspiring blog on this topic.  Not sure who is going to write it though. 

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Re: I want to - my problems

By Roblin, Stephen at Sep 12, 2010 22:24 PM

"I have to admit that I don't know how to progress right now, except through ways that don't seem to be working (maybe they will later)."
 
I understand this feeling. But from my experience in Baltimore, it's less about not knowing how to proceed in an effective manner than just not wanting to do the hard stuff that is necessary for effective organizng, mainly getting out in the community and talking to people. It's just easier to stay inside the bubble of our "counter-cultures." I tend to lean towards the Michael Albert hypothesis that many in the Left just don't think "we" can win. So why do the hard stuff?
 

"I think it is because people underestimate how much parecon can contribute to organizing.  I think the underestimation comes from an irrational fear of appearing 'overly left'."

I run into this almost everyday. I don't know how to overcome this except by proving them wrong by organizing along particpatory principles and winning. In the end, I believe a committed group of individuals can overcome the challenges. Why not it be us?

 

"Stay tuned for an exciting and inspiring blog on this topic.  Not sure who is going to write it though."

Sounds like you could write it!

 

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Re: Re: I want to - my problems

By Jordanbarnes, Jordan at Sep 13, 2010 06:40 AM

 It's definitely worth a shot.

Here in BC there are organizations like the http://bcca.coop/ and the http://www.coopscanada.coop/ that are designed to organize, fund and aid in the development of cooperatives. Something akin to this but with parecon values could be an interesting project.

The initial organizing body, with some kind of financial help, could strategically invest in parecons that can support each other. Once the ball gets rolling it becomes easier and easier. This is essentially what happened in Mondragon in the Basque region of Spain.

I believe that posting a list of existing parecon's and paercon ideas that are need to support those parecons would be a useful function. An initial directory could be obtained from participedia. 

Jordan

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Re: Re: Re: I want to - my problems

By Roblin, Stephen at Sep 13, 2010 13:51 PM

These seem like great projects. These are exactly the types of groups we should be reaching out to.

I only quickly looked at the websites, but it seems like they haven't thought through what a participatory economy would look like in more detail. It includes more than just co-operative enterprises operating in a market setting; it requires a larger democratic procedure that trancends the market.

Creating a directory is a great idea. When I came across Participedia, I had a feeling it would turn out to be useful.

Like I told Kemp, what I'm planning on doing is writing an email to all who've showed interest  the idea put forth in this threat asking: what should we do now? I'll be sure to keep a list of all the ideas put forth in this thread.

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