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Forum Post Aronson: Re: I have trouble with frozen categories

Forum Post, February, 17 2012 Sanda Aronson
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PS (Because CFS/ME is the ps disease): I always read Paul Street's essays first.  And regularly.

Forum Post Aronson: I have trouble with frozen categories

Forum Post, February, 17 2012 Sanda Aronson
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I'm an artist, a visual artist.  Most of my protest comes in art form, in part because I am physically unable (health) to attend protest events these days/years.  (My 18th birthday for the 2nd time will take place on Feb. 29th, with ...

Forum Post Morgan: Well Put - We've Been Here Before

Forum Post, February, 15 2012 Ted Morgan
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Paul,  Many thanks for another important and thoughtful piece.  There has been quite a buzz about Occupy tactics lately, partly triggered by Chris Hedge's sharp (and somewhat inaccurate) critique of Black Bloc and the aftermath of th...

Forum Post Street: Re: New Labor

Forum Post, February, 15 2012 Paul Street
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Nicholas - the insitutitonal and legal barriers to meaningful 3rd/4th party and independent left politics beyond the "unelected dictatorship of money"  (Edward S.  Herman and David Peterson's phrase) in the U.S. are da...

Forum Post Roblin: Re: Re: Re: "Occupy marched quickly to the left"?

Forum Post, February, 14 2012 Stephen Roblin
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Demands can provide direction. Based on what I've seen in Baltimore, the occupy movement has become more diffuse. I'm not sure this is a shortcoming. The verdict is still out. But I think it's partly symptomatic that participants could...

Forum Post Polson: Nice article

Forum Post, February, 14 2012 Rufus Polson
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It's good to see the resistance in Spain moving forward, being creative and building positively.  I wish we had that in Canada.  Unfortunately, I fear for that kind of energy to be brought to bear, things will have to get worse . . ....

Forum Post Techentien: Here are some demands

Forum Post, February, 14 2012 Gary Techentien
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For starters we could: 1. Dismantle the status of corporations as "people" and revise the law to require them to act in the public good.   2.  Tax the wealthy in amounts that reimburse the public for providing the environment ...

Forum Post Jones: More History

Forum Post, February, 14 2012 David Jones
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I would simply argue that the "vagueness" of those first GA's sprang from the memory of loss, that most Occupiers had fought against the wars and seen "mass mobilizations" that had no effect on power. They had participated ...

Forum Post Houston: New Labor

Forum Post, February, 14 2012 Nicholas Houston
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I am wirting from Australia and my comment is: Why is there no alternative party to the Democrats on the left of American politics?   In most other western countries there are parties on the left that stand in distinction to both the conser...

Forum Post Emersberger: Re: Re: "Occupy marched quickly to the left"?

Forum Post, February, 14 2012 Joe Emersberger
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I don't know about too quickly or far to the left but the following attitude, expressed by Chris Hedges, is one I've often heard from Occupiers and some of their supporters in some form: "Even now, three weeks later, elites, a...

Forum Post Street: The irony of no demands - some forgotten early history

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Paul Street
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Permit me to indirectly note the irony of the problem of no demands by quoting at some length on a late November account of Occupy Wall Street's beginnings: ‘Early on, [the originators of the notion of Occupying Wall Street Kallle]...

Forum Post Vincent: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: In Support of Nonviolence

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 John Vincent
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After reading Chris Hedges' most recent article on Truthout, I'd say he articulates well: "The security and surveillance state has a vast arsenal and array of tools at its disposal...We do not have the tools or the wealth of the stat...

Forum Post Roblin: Re: "Occupy marched quickly to the left"?

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Stephen Roblin
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Actually, Cooke does elaborate a bit on the above-raised point: "Austerity is happening fast in the United States; on a state-by-state level massive cuts are being pushed through while taxes on the rich stay low. Health care, edu...

Forum Post Roblin: "Occupy marched quickly to the left"?

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Stephen Roblin
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The comments that stood out the most for me are: "Numbers matter, and Occupy has been shedding numbers for months. A major reason for this is because Occupiers have swerved drastically left, leaving the broader 99% ashore. If this tre...

Forum Post Vincent: Re: Re: Re: Re: In Support of Nonviolence

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 John Vincent
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"...you need a large enough supportive movement, and enough people directly involved, so simple or even very carefully orchestrated eviction is effectively impossible." That's what I'm saying, you need to grow the movement by br...

Forum Post Dominick: Re: Re: Re: fundamentalism

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Brian Dominick
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Leen, I'm afraid you've completely lost me. I gave my definitions of fundamentalism and pacifism. I acknowledged that there isn't a pacifist bible tacitly by stating, as you noted, that this is a common perception, including by many if...

Forum Post Karman: Re: Re: fundamentalism

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Leen Karman
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No, you are right, the beginning wasn't respectful. Which didn't start with mine "Where the hell ..." but started with your statement about pacifism without any explanation of your point. I am/was really angry. You started you...

Forum Post Waters: Good Points, Good Reminder

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Joseph Waters

Thanks for writing this, Paul. I can always rely on you to say what needs to be said, what few others are willing to say. We need folks who can put a mirror in front of the Left and keep us from being sanctimonious or otherwise taking ourselves to...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Final Comment

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Michael Albert
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Keith - I don't think we are getting far - we agree about many of the criticisms - we disagree about how to formulate them and who they apply to... let's leave it unless there is something I wrote in my initial piece that actually want to ...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: In Support of Nonviolence

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Michael Albert
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We have done it to death on Z - debates, essays, etc. But you are right, this kicked it off again. And that is good. My own suspicioin is that taking empty buildings and putting them to good ends can be quite viable. But you need a large enough s...

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