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Waters: Re: On the Fetishization of Expression

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Joseph Waters

Hay: Re: Re: Non Violence Or?

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Jeff and karen Hay
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Thank you very much Michael for your thoughful and well considered input.  It is our view that the larger problem we have here in Santa Cruz has more to do with the absence of clear principles and means for operating in a participatory fashio...

Jones: Populism problems

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 David Jones
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As you are well aware, the other danger is fetishizing the "general will". The tension between the utopian imaginary and concrete demands is palpable and there is no perfect answer.  When Zizek said "Don't be afraid to want...

Keller: Final Comment

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Keith Keller
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Michael Albert, I wasn’t going to comment again on this thread, however, your response to me veritably cries out for a response from me. Let me begin by slightly altering my original phraseology to hopefully clear up some misunderstanding...

Waters: By Any Means Necessary

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Joseph Waters

Great article! I especially like the questions to ask when considering what tactic to pursue on a case by case basis. The point is to win a better world by any means necessary. If mostly peaceful tactics can get us there, then wonderful! I don'...

Vincent: Re: Re: In Support of Nonviolence

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 John Vincent
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I think Hedges’ articles typically employ a lot of rhetoric, but the sentiments he expresses in them still have validity.  Did he over generalize the behavior of the Black Bloc, probably, but before his article was posted I didn’t...

Dominick: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Brian Dominick
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I think Morton's reference here is in response to my previous response to Keith, in which I stated: "It's definitely not "uncontroversial" that "most of the black bloc are provocateurs, frequently undercover police or m...

Dominick: Re: fundamentalism

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Brian Dominick
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Leen, I hope we can have a respectful exchange, which isn't what is usually precipitated by comments starting with "Where in the hell..." I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and respectfully respond to your request for...

Albert: Re: Non Violence Or?

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Michael Albert
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HI, I actually answered yesterday - but it seems it isn't here...very odd. The internet!   > First off it would be interesting to consider the violence of the Adavasi gorillas ("Maoists") that Arundhati lived with and ...

Karman: fundamentalism

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Leen Karman
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Where the hell did you get that idea - that pacifism is based largely in a form of fundamentalism?

Karman: Superfluous

Forum Post, February, 13 2012 Leen Karman
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Your essay is OK, as far I can judge. Please note Paul, that I didn't feel the urge to deliver a comment, weren't it for your last line in our argument about Super Bowl. You made me almost naughty cheerful as you finished with &q...

Goodrich: I don't think so.

Forum Post, February, 12 2012 John Goodrich
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Religion as it is constituted in today's U.S. and the right wing ideology with which it chooses to ally itself has no place either in a civilzed society, a socialist/communist society nor a moral society. I will grant that the teachings of Ch...

Karman: well Paul,

Forum Post, February, 12 2012 Leen Karman
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I suppose this is the essay of which you were writing I am very confident that my next ZNet essay will be much more to your liking. First of all: yes, I appreciate it. I have my second thoughts but to be honest with you (and with myse...

Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs

Forum Post, February, 12 2012 Michael Albert
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Keith, Michael Albert said: “The idea that most of the black bloc is undercover is, I am sorry Keith, total nonsense.” > I never said that most of the black bloc is undercover, I said that “most of the “black bloc...

Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs

Forum Post, February, 12 2012 Michael Albert
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I am not aware of anyone who says it can't - or doesn't happen here. There is a  very large difference between saying the state will infiltrate movements, and does, sometimes just to spy and later catch people - sometimes to literall...

Albert: Re: In Support of Nonviolence

Forum Post, February, 12 2012 Michael Albert
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> This is a much needed discussion, and while Chris Hedges’ article may have had “fundamentalist” leanings it can be credited for bring to the forefront an important issue.  The sad thing is, I think, that what Chris did...

Walsh: Can't pull no Rip Van Winkle

Forum Post, February, 12 2012 Vincent Walsh
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Can’t pull no Rip Van Winkle       Storytellin’ time again, my friends Brings me back to that fateful late summer in Chicago Demo’s convened to put up the Humph While Ginsberg-Genet-Burroughs Chanted poetry in the ...

Annabel: Re: Violence Begets Defeat or Too Much Pacifism?

Forum Post, February, 11 2012 Patrick Annabel
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#Occupy #Anonymous Warning to #BlackBloc FAKE Anon Response http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nAKcWZST1M Enjoyed the article and feel it leaves the door open to discussions with many people of differing mindsets... Peace

Keller: Re: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs

Forum Post, February, 11 2012 Keith Keller
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Michael Albert said: “The idea that most of the black bloc is undercover is, I am sorry Keith, total nonsense.” I never said that most of the black bloc is undercover, I said that “most of the “black bloc” are ...

Brussel: Re: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs

Forum Post, February, 11 2012 Morton k. Brussel
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The proportion of those who protest violently by randomly trashing or attacking others cannot be accurately determined, but I think one has to have their head in the sand not to recognize that state provocateurs have been used in the past by force...