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Hay: Non Violence Or?
Forum Post, February, 11 2012
Jeff and karen Hay
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Aloha Michael, We have some thoughts we'd like to share with you regarding the "Black bloc" controversy and your article regarding it. First off it would be interesting to consider the ...
Brussel: Corruption
Forum Post, February, 11 2012
Morton k. Brussel
Brussel's ZSpace page
The sense I get from this article is that the protesters have only an inchoate notion of what they want. All the leaders, including those in the opposition, according to Kargolitsky, are corrupt and or following self aggrandizing neoliberal polici...
Shepherd: Leen:
Forum Post, February, 11 2012
Lester Shepherd
Shepherd's ZSpace page
Gargantuan inequality is despicable! These people are the hucksters. This country was supposedly founded on helping your brother, not, disaster capitalism. Christ was a raw communist!
Polson: Types of violence
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Rufus Polson
Polson's ZSpace page
Excellent article, and I agree pretty much entirely. To my mind, it's not only a question of violence or not-violence, either. It's what kind, both what sort of specific acts and, maybe even more importantly, the organizational envir...
Albert: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Michael Albert
Albert's ZSpace page
The idea that most of the black bloc is undercover is, I am sorry Keith, total nonsense. Just as it was nonsense that most of the weathemen, or black panthers, or even sds were under cover, in my day - and perhaps it is your day, too. I helped or...
Dominick: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Brian Dominick
Dominick's ZSpace page
It's definitely not "uncontroversial" that "most of the black bloc are provocateurs, frequently undercover police or military". Not at all. The documentation you provide is all from other countries. There was in fact no suc...
Keller: Re: Re: Re: Provocateurs
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Keith Keller
Keller's ZSpace page
The link doesn't seem to function directly, however, if you copy and paste to your browser it does. Also, any creative sort of googling should produce what you are looking for.
Keller: Re: Re: Provocateurs
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Keith Keller
Keller's ZSpace page
Alternative media and common sense. In Seattle, black bloc thuggery went unpunished as peaceful protesters were attacked and arrested. Black bloc thugs were seen and photographed returning to police areas and removing their costumes. Same thing...
Street: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: no Paul,
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Paul Street
Street's ZSpace page
Leen Karman I am very confident that my next ZNet essay will be much more to your liking.
Vincent: In Support of Nonviolence
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
John Vincent
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This is a much needed discussion, and while Chris Hedges’ article may have had “fundamentalist” leanings it can be credited for bring to the forefront an important issue. What’s made the Occupy Movement unique ...
Dominick: Re: Provocateurs
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Brian Dominick
Dominick's ZSpace page
Keith, what is your source for the claim that "most of the black bloc are provocateurs, frequently undercover police or military"?
Dominick: The Threat of a Reasoned Viewpoint
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Brian Dominick
Dominick's ZSpace page
I've been alarmed to see that even among my generation, there hasn't been much budging on this, and indeed some folks on both extremes have become even more entrenched. For saying on Facebook that Hedges was off base but vicious personal a...
Keller: Provocateurs
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Keith Keller
Keller's ZSpace page
In discussing the “black bloc,” the first thing which needs to be said up front is that most of the “black bloc” are provocateurs, frequently undercover police or military, which engage in counterproductive thuggery whic...
Reeve:
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Phyllis Reeve
Reeve's ZSpace page
Thank you, Michael. A thoughful and much needed essay, which I may send to everyone I know.
Karman: Re: Re: Re: Re: no Paul,
Forum Post, February, 10 2012
Leen Karman
Karman's ZSpace page
Yes I know where I'm wandering. And yes, I'm with you in the struggle for a better world. You do a good job, and, as I have explicitly expressed in the Zspace-pages, sometimes you touch me. In return I could ask: I do not think you...
Street: Re: Re: Re: no Paul,
Forum Post, February, 09 2012
Paul Street
Street's ZSpace page
No I don't know that. I think there's quite a bit there. Leen I feel like you don't know what neighborhood you'v'e wandered into. This is a left sife, a very left Web site, On scaring them, in my experience it...
Morgan: An Important Distinction -- And Topic
Forum Post, February, 09 2012
Ted Morgan
Morgan's ZSpace page
I appreciate your post, Randall, and agree that Chris Hedges' piece rather uncharacteristically went over the line in attacking an alleged protest "group" rather than critiquing a type of protest tactic that has shown up at times (e....
Karman: Re: Re: no Paul,
Forum Post, February, 08 2012
Leen Karman
Karman's ZSpace page
Not the beginning of an answer ... and I suppose you know that. All moralistic nagging. Your own opinion setting the standard. But, perhaps a better question is this: how do you do that - "frighten them"? Using violence witho...
Street: Re: no Paul,
Forum Post, February, 08 2012
Paul Street
Street's ZSpace page
Well, we left radicals can and do argue about a lot more than what you restrict within the paramaters of acceptable debate Karman! See my reflections at http://www.zcommunications.org/occupy-wall-street-at-the-hub-of-global-hypocrisy-by-paul-...
Karman: no Paul,
Forum Post, February, 08 2012
Leen Karman
Karman's ZSpace page
No, this time I'm not with you! You can argue about the price of their product. You can argue about the share of profit they take, concerning the share of profit they allow the laborers (actually, in everyday economics the languag...
