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Lee: Re: It takes time…
Forum Post, January, 30 2012
Terri Lee
Lee's ZSpace page
Hello Mort. Your comment was very wise and astute. I especially noted this part, " What one wants of course is to convince others that they are truly suffering due to the present system, in the hope that an ever greater enlightened majority c...
Brussel: It takes time…
Forum Post, January, 30 2012
Morton k. Brussel
Brussel's ZSpace page
It takes time and special conditions to solve the problems we now face—injustice, inequality, and the attack on the globe's resources. In fact, there may well be no satisfactory solution at hand. None of the electoral alternatives ...
Lee: Howard Schultz CEO of Starbucks calls for a BOYCOTT OF CAMPAIGN DONATIONS
Forum Post, January, 29 2012
Terri Lee
Lee's ZSpace page
NO CALL FOR SYSTEMIC CHANGE -- BUT A CURIOUS (CEO) CALL TO BOYCOTT PREZ ELECTION FUNDING I realize that this action is coming from a major CEO businessman (Howard Schultz, CEO of Starbucks) but it is curious and interesting nonet...
Lee: Thank you, Joseph. Here's more
Forum Post, January, 29 2012
Terri Lee
Lee's ZSpace page
Hello Joseph! I have returned for a more thoughtful reply to your kind offer. Joseph, I have reposted your poll in a few places with this message: "BIG THANKS TO JOSEPH WATERS WHO ALTERED THE PRESIDENTIAL POLL TO INCLUDE THE BOYCOTT OPTION!&...
Lee: Re: Re: Re: Vote in this Poll, If Not the Elections!
Forum Post, January, 27 2012
Terri Lee
Lee's ZSpace page
Wonderful! Thank you. I would be delighted to network further to grow the boycott movement. I will reply more completely shortly.
Waters: Re: Re: Vote in this Poll, If Not the Elections!
Forum Post, January, 27 2012
Joseph Waters
Terri, thanks for reposting the poll! I added "BOYCOTT" to the "I won't vote" option. I understand that there is a difference between simply staying home on election day and a boycott, but I wasn't able to add another a...
Lee: Political Cartoonist Ted Rall Calls for Boycott of 2012 Presidential Election
Forum Post, January, 27 2012
Terri Lee
Lee's ZSpace page
http://www.rall.com/rallblog/2011/08/02/syndicated-column-boycott-the-2012-election EXCERPT: So boycott the pigs. It is time for Real Liberals to kick Team Democrats to the curb. It isn’t hard. Next November all you have to do...
Lee: Re: Vote in this Poll, If Not the Elections!
Forum Post, January, 27 2012
Terri Lee
Lee's ZSpace page
Hi Joseph! I already voted there and placed your poll on the Boycott group page on FB. I selected "other' and wrote in BOYCOTT THE 2012 ELECTIONS but was disappointed to see that it did not appear in the results. Would you kindly consid...
Lee: #3 -- BOYCOTT
Forum Post, January, 27 2012
Terri Lee
Lee's ZSpace page
Hello Joseph Waters, I like what you wrote at the end of your comment above: "I think for 2012 I'm not going to vote at all. I'm with Emma Goldman. I'll use direct action and participate in movement building in other ways. I woul...
Emersberger: Re: Re: "Leftists for Ron Paul" Phenomenon?
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Joe Emersberger
Emersberger's ZSpace page
This might help prevent people from becoming LFRPs: Ron Paul proposes a military budget of over $500 billion per year. http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/ Paul’s military budget would cut bas...
Keller: Pretzel Logic
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Keith Keller
Keller's ZSpace page
Paul, it is somewhat difficult to know what to say in response to you on your option #4. Your logic is so twisted I assumed that you were being facetious. Please don’t vote for the Democrats because they are the lesser evil, vote for the ...
Waters: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Joseph Waters
Paul, I reread Keith's comment. I only agree with the first half of it. I don't believe you are "succumbing to fear" or that "business as usual begins at the ballot box." I guess I'm still a little bitter about the ...
Street: Re: "Leftists for Ron Paul" Phenomenon?
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Paul Street
Street's ZSpace page
Yes, Paul I thought about that. , I'm sort of hitting that point in my discussion of Greenwald's critique. I get explicitly into the Ron Paul thing in this interview, which went up at the New Left Project yesterday and will be ...
Street: Re: Re: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Paul Street
Street's ZSpace page
Waters please bear in mind that you are agreeing with an argument that says "opposition to business as usual begins in the ballot box" but thank you for noting the complexity and the fact that there really are not simple choices und...
Street: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Paul Street
Street's ZSpace page
But Keith Keller, I didn't really make the "lesser evil argument." My proposed position #4 is not the lesser evil argument, actually. This article has space for thinking that the Dems are actually the greater evi...
Emersberger: Re: "Leftists for Ron Paul" Phenomenon?
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Joe Emersberger
Emersberger's ZSpace page
Here is some debate I participated in about that very sad phenomenon. Joe http://www.medialens.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=30&sid=7e0853797c47c0456e0ec17b49f5ca37
Waters: Vote in this Poll, If Not the Elections!
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
Hey everyone, there is a poll that deals with this question on my blog, the Prole Center, if anyone's interested. Not scientific of course, but it might be fun to see what others are thinking. Here it is: http://prolecenter.wordpress.com/2012...
Waters: Re: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
I agree with Keith, but Paul and Rufus make some good points. It's a difficult choice.
Waters: A Collective Decision
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
This afternoon I was thinking more about this issue of voting. I think that instead of individuals just willy-nilly deciding on their own how to vote or not vote, this should be a collective decision. We ought to decide this issue as an organizati...
Waters: Re: Re: Voting for Republicans
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
I was proud of that little quip I made. Thanks for noticing. It made me chuckle when I wrote it. I was hoping others might enjoy it as well.


