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Lee: #3 -- BOYCOTT
Forum Post, January, 27 2012
Terri Lee
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Hello Joseph Waters, I like what you wrote at the end of your comment above: "I think for 2012 I'm not going to vote at all. I'm with Emma Goldman. I'll use direct action and participate in movement building in other ways. I woul...
Emersberger: Re: Re: "Leftists for Ron Paul" Phenomenon?
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Joe Emersberger
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This might help prevent people from becoming LFRPs: Ron Paul proposes a military budget of over $500 billion per year. http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/ Paul’s military budget would cut bas...
Keller: Pretzel Logic
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Keith Keller
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Paul, it is somewhat difficult to know what to say in response to you on your option #4. Your logic is so twisted I assumed that you were being facetious. Please don’t vote for the Democrats because they are the lesser evil, vote for the ...
Waters: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Joseph Waters
Paul, I reread Keith's comment. I only agree with the first half of it. I don't believe you are "succumbing to fear" or that "business as usual begins at the ballot box." I guess I'm still a little bitter about the ...
Street: Re: "Leftists for Ron Paul" Phenomenon?
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Paul Street
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Yes, Paul I thought about that. , I'm sort of hitting that point in my discussion of Greenwald's critique. I get explicitly into the Ron Paul thing in this interview, which went up at the New Left Project yesterday and will be ...
Street: Re: Re: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Paul Street
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Waters please bear in mind that you are agreeing with an argument that says "opposition to business as usual begins in the ballot box" but thank you for noting the complexity and the fact that there really are not simple choices und...
Street: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Paul Street
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But Keith Keller, I didn't really make the "lesser evil argument." My proposed position #4 is not the lesser evil argument, actually. This article has space for thinking that the Dems are actually the greater evi...
Emersberger: Re: "Leftists for Ron Paul" Phenomenon?
Forum Post, January, 26 2012
Joe Emersberger
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Here is some debate I participated in about that very sad phenomenon. Joe http://www.medialens.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=30&sid=7e0853797c47c0456e0ec17b49f5ca37
Waters: Vote in this Poll, If Not the Elections!
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
Hey everyone, there is a poll that deals with this question on my blog, the Prole Center, if anyone's interested. Not scientific of course, but it might be fun to see what others are thinking. Here it is: http://prolecenter.wordpress.com/2012...
Waters: Re: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
I agree with Keith, but Paul and Rufus make some good points. It's a difficult choice.
Waters: A Collective Decision
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
This afternoon I was thinking more about this issue of voting. I think that instead of individuals just willy-nilly deciding on their own how to vote or not vote, this should be a collective decision. We ought to decide this issue as an organizati...
Waters: Re: Re: Voting for Republicans
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
I was proud of that little quip I made. Thanks for noticing. It made me chuckle when I wrote it. I was hoping others might enjoy it as well.
Donahue: "Leftists for Ron Paul" Phenomenon?
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Paul Donahue
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Paul, You forgot a fourth position peculiar to this current primary season - the phenomenon of the "leftists for Ron Paul" (LFRP). While there are not many of them in established activist circles, the LF...
Polson: Re: Voting for Republicans
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Rufus Polson
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"I voted for Karl Marx for one office and Mikhail Bakunin for another. Checks and balances, right?" I just have to say I love that line.
Polson: Re: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Rufus Polson
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I think you missed his main argument, which is that rarity, a position which strikes me as both innovative and sound. The claim is, roughly: When Republicans are in power, "movements" against their excesses spring up quickly, but ...
Keller: Bad Advice
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Keith Keller
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In embracing voting the lesser evil, you have succumbed to the worst advice that Noam Chomsky has ever given. Things are as bad as they are in no small measure because the fat cats can rely upon “the left” to vote Democratic if the ...
Waters: Voting for Republicans
Forum Post, January, 25 2012
Joseph Waters
I have seriously considered voting for Republicans in following with the logic you describe above as "better the enemy that you know." Another reason I thought to do this is my feeling that perhaps things have to get worse before they ca...
H: Re: Plan of action as attracting factor?
Forum Post, January, 22 2012
Joe H
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Hi Mark, thanks for the feedback. I take your point that proposing projects that are in fact impractical at a certain stage of development is not a realistic way to attract people or get things done, but often happens anyway because of understand...
Rissler: About Grenada...
Forum Post, January, 18 2012
Mike Rissler
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Good interview, but... Donahue said above: "You know, I don’t see how anybody who engages in this kind of killing can claim to be brave. You know, Grenada. We bombed a mental hospital. We don’t have ground troops to go in and tak...
Evans: Plan of action as attracting factor?
Forum Post, December, 10 2011
Mark Evans
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Hi Jo - sorry I missed you at the recent gathering in London. You write - “A lot of people are looking for answers at this point. If these interested folks are shown prospects for a new, well-defined and well-organised group w...
