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Wiley: OWS is bigger than American politics

Forum Post, November, 27 2011 Jason Wiley
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Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts and thanks Dan for taking the time and energy to address all of these issues.  I couldn't quite think of anything that I wanted to say in particular until I started reading over the new Noam Choms...

Tatsuo: aim of OWS

Forum Post, November, 26 2011 Miyachi Tatsuo
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rom New yorker The origins and future of Occupy Wall Street by Mattathias Schwartz    White reached Lasn by telephone shortly before nine. Lasn was in the bathtub, and White told him details that he had learned online about the e...

Shepherd: Re: Re: The Dem. party is really "dead".

Forum Post, November, 26 2011 Lester Shepherd
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What a wonderful comment.  The best part was pointing out that the famous Kucinich healthcare fold was the epitomy of the reason that you cannot change anything in this country by voting for the lesser of two Satans. They are all dirt bags. &...

Davidson: nonpartisan

Forum Post, November, 25 2011 Carl Davidson
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It's fine with me if OWS remains nonpartisan. With consensus in charge, there's no way they're going to argree on an electoral strategy anyway, save not to have one. But when you don't have a strategy, it often means you're pa...

Jones: Symbolic

Forum Post, November, 25 2011 David Jones
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I think the author has it right until he reaches the "ours would be the party to take power from the 1%"  part.  The party might lay the discursive, anti-capitalist ground but the shift of power will not take place on the terra...

Grinder: participatory democracy party

Forum Post, November, 25 2011 Matt Grinder
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finally, someone who agrees with me! "Ours would have to be a party with a different conception of government, far more democratic and participatory. A different government altogether, based on our communities, workplaces, and social cente...

Aronson: Re: The Dem. party is really "dead".

Forum Post, November, 25 2011 Sanda Aronson
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Oops, a senior moment - I hit a button and the comment was posted before I wrote more than the title.     I have been a lifelong Dem., now nominally, so I can vote in primaries.   In 2008, I thought Barack Obama was "...

Aronson: The Dem. party is really "dead".

Forum Post, November, 25 2011 Sanda Aronson
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Krumm: Perhaps it's more inclusive for a reason

Forum Post, November, 23 2011 John Krumm
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Hi MIchael (and others) My general impression is that the 99% slogan is a way to include the poor, the less poor, the middle, the upper middle, and even the upper upper middle in one group. It's divisive and inclusive and the same time, plus ...

Young:

Forum Post, November, 23 2011 Kevin Young
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Fuentes’s characterization of my position is rather dishonest. Nowhere in my blog post, or anywhere else, have I “downplay[ed] the role of United States imperialism.” Nor did I “argue [that] the [Morales] governme...

Jamaluddin: Just like the UK insurrection nearly!

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Samir Jamaluddin
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  If only the English insurrection had materialised into something more meaningful.  Today I would not be lamenting but looking towards an equittable future!!

Wetzel: Re: Re: Glad you raised this

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Tom Wetzel
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i agree michael. Oakland Occupy was scheduling GAs every nite. That orients to those in the encampment and people who have the time and commitment to be there all the time. Few people are in that situation. the whole idea of a multi-issue economic...

Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael Albert
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No - you are right, but it isn't clear how to deal with it. That is, when someone writes howver gently, however supportively, with some concerns - others can quote out of context. But - if we let that silence all concerns, then we allow the m...

Volpe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Giuseppe Volpe
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>  a  slogan can encapsulate a perspective - as well...and even promote one Sure enough. And a criticism can encapsulate a perspective and even promote one. However maybe this  is all a matter of excessive sensitivity on my par...

Albert: Re: Glad you raised this

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael Albert
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HI Tom, I hope you are doing well! > I've been thinking similar thoughts. I'm not even sure whether "the 1 percent" is defined in terms of top owners of wealth or top income. It's accurate enough if the idea is to put a ...

Albert: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael Albert
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> I would like to respectfully insist that a slogan is a slogan and an economic and political vision is something very different. Of course, but I would add that a slogan can encapsulate a perspective - as well...and even promote one. > It...

Volpe: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Giuseppe Volpe
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Hi Michael, I would like to respectfully insist that a slogan is a slogan and an economic and political vision is something very different. It's a good thing to remind that there are not only two classes etc. But there are many other things th...

Marty: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 David Marty
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Hej Rickard, My name is David, I'm from Madrid. I happen to be working on a similar project, that is building a "business" or coop on Parecon principles, here in Madrid. I am also in touch with the PPS people in Sweden and often go there (Stock...

McGehee: Re: Glad you raised this

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael McGehee
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tom, and ive had countless conversations on this and more. from what i can gather the occupy movements seem to be self-organized and self-managed. which is a great development, as well as the bias towards general assemblies and participatory democ...

Hosepyan: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Yetvart Hosepyan
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Hello Joseph, To answer your questions without a huge debate (not because it is not worth it but because I think we are more or less on the same page): I would not be willing to share my knowledge and expertise freely. I would want fair compensa...