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Roblin: Re: Re: Re: Triumph of hope over experience -- for which side?
Forum Post, June, 18 2010
Stephen Roblin
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Before I respond to some of your comments, I recommend checking out Hahnel's previous papers on the topic. http://www.zcommunications.org/has-the-left-missed-the-boat-on-climate-change-by-robin-hahnel-1My point of disagreement is that cateri...
Roblin: Re: Triumph of hope over experience -- for which side?
Forum Post, June, 17 2010
Stephen Roblin
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Of course an "englightened and agitating populace" will be required for any climate treaty to avert cataclysmic climate change in an effective and fair manner. The point I believe Robin Hahnel is making is: if we are agitating for "...
Corbett: Reward for output?
Forum Post, June, 10 2010
Jean-Francois Corbett
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Robin, In your response to Question 9 (and elsewhere), you explain that > work proposals will not be accepted unless the social benefit (of outputs produced) divided by the social cost (of inputs used, including hours of labor time of differe...
Evans: My Approach
Forum Post, June, 09 2010
Mark Evans
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I think I have a similar approach but instead of thinking about it in terms of “minimalist” I tend to think of developing or supporting and advocating vision as a matter of “common sense reasoning”. So for examp...
Evans: Coalition Proposal
Forum Post, May, 27 2010
Mark Evans
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A draft proposal calling on the British Left to form a coalition for a participatory democracy in preporation for the formation of a Fifth International.
Evans: Re: Anarchist planning.
Forum Post, May, 26 2010
Mark Evans
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Marc – as I am sure you are aware anarchism has many different strands spanning from more individualistic to more social anarchism. The area of anarchism that participatory planning (and parecon more generally) fits is with the l...
McGehee: Re: Anarchist planning.
Forum Post, May, 22 2010
Michael McGehee
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speak for yourself. i found no oxymorons, and it's completely in line with anarchism and freedom.you spent a lot of words to say a lot of nothing. all you did was build a straw man argument (e.g. "If you try to implement this without a s...
Albert: Re: Re: Re: Talkin bout parecon...
Forum Post, May, 20 2010
Michael Albert
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> > (1) No vision for me, it violates future people's rights to say anything now, OR the (2) let's extrapolate our glorious vision right into what color socks people have to wear....pitfalls. > That is ironic, your q...
Spannos: Re: Re: Talkin bout parecon...
Forum Post, May, 20 2010
Chris Spannos
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> (1) No vision for me, it violates future people's rights to say anything now, OR the (2) let's extrapolate our glorious vision right into what color socks people have to wear....pitfalls. That is ironic, your questioner… I t...
Albert: Re: Talkin bout parecon...
Forum Post, May, 20 2010
Michael Albert
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> If I were starting with a blank slate in my mind, thinking about the features could be a very hard question to answer, even a priori for myself much less trying to communicate to others the vision I may think I want. What I have always ...
Spannos: Talkin bout parecon...
Forum Post, May, 20 2010
Chris Spannos
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Where you ask:"So the visionary question becomes, for parecon, or for any vision, what is the essential set of features that must be attained if a future society is to be truly self managed by its own citizens, as they see fit?"&nb...
Albert: Getting Started - How to Talk About Parecon...
Forum Post, May, 12 2010
Michael Albert
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We can use this forum for many things - but one is to compare experiences trying to communicate about Parecon, in order to try to learn better approaches from one another.For myself, I have begun formulating the vision as minimalist - which is pre...
Albert: Using this Forum
Forum Post, May, 12 2010
Michael Albert
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HI,In this new Parecon Group Forum, like for all other forums in the ZForum system, comments from Z Sustainers on content that is tagged for the group will appear in addition to being appended to what is commented on.BUT - additionally, here...
Albert: ZGroups?!
Forum Post, April, 25 2010
Michael Albert
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An account of and information about the NEW ZGroups facility!
Albert: Re: Great!
Forum Post, April, 25 2010
Michael Albert
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What you suggest is doable already, perhaps not as elegantly as you would ideally like.But, honestly, the real task, first, is to get people excited about using them, involved in using them, etc.So - as to what can already be done - even before fu...
Wahhaj: Great!
Forum Post, April, 25 2010
Zahed Wahhaj
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Very glad to see this development.I have some thoughts on this, and perhaps you guys are already developing these tools.Suppose, I join the Parecon group and there are 13,000 people in it. It is very unlikey that I will have a sustained meaningful...
