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Forum Post Evans: Re: Re: Projects/Local chapters vs Nested Council

Forum Post, March, 20 2011 Mark Evans
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“I think not implementing what we believe in because we don’t have members that understand what ppsuk is about is a poor excuse.” Just out of interest do you hold the same view regarding setting-up a nested council structure on ...

Forum Post Johnston: Re: Re: Projects/Local chapters vs Nested Council

Forum Post, March, 20 2011 Jack Johnston
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I think not implementing what we believe in because we don’t have members that understand what ppsuk is about is a poor excuse.  How will we ever get members that understand that we are about implementing the nested council (in society ...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Projects/Local chapters vs Nested Council

Forum Post, March, 19 2011 Mark Evans
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Jack - in order to have an organisation like the one you describe we first need members who - 1) understand what PPS-UK is about. 2) commit time / money to the organisation. The difficulty we seem to have got ourselves into is that most of our m...

Forum Post Evans: PPS-UK: What We Are About

Forum Post, March, 17 2011 Mark Evans
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A brief account of some of the challenges PPS-UK are encountering and trying to address.

Forum Post Johnston: Projects/Local chapters vs Nested Council

Forum Post, March, 17 2011 Jack Johnston
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In order to comply with the Parpol vision set out by Shalom we need to have a council made up of delegates from the local chapters. I have been making the case for this for years but we seem no closer to its realisation.  The lack of such a c...

Forum Post Albert: Participatory Vision

Forum Post, March, 09 2011 Michael Albert
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This is a draft of chapter twelve, concluding part two, of Fanfare for the Future.

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Forum Post, March, 09 2011 Daniel Marty
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Hi Michael, This chapter leads to more questions as those you make to conclude this chapter. I'm looking forward to read next ones about strategy, this is a critical issue. Concerning international relations, there's an initiative started...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Consumption planning example

Forum Post, March, 07 2011 Michael Albert
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Thank you - good advice I will try to take!

Forum Post Hayes: Consumption planning example

Forum Post, March, 07 2011 Eric Hayes
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Like the chapter, the section on the market is probably the best I've read from you yet.   I'd just like to propose an addition onto the participatory planning section relating to private consumption. I like how "Looking Forward...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 28 2011 Matt Allen
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6) OK, I'm not sure anyone has posited otherwise. 7) Er... There is loads you can do, "you can do other activism" a small phrase that hides a multitude of activities. Off the top of my head you can get involved in struggles that ar...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 28 2011 Matt Allen
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Hi Matt, thanks for your detailed replies, on balance I see you're obviously committed to your vision of an electoral intervention and fairplay, good luck with it. However I will address each of your points to explain why I still believe it i...

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Grinder
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(7)  It's hard to be an activist organization who lieks to talk about parsoc, because there is not much to do.  You can give a talk, you can do other activism and try to engage other activists... and that's about it.  this g...

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Grinder
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(6)  As I've said many times, you can be an activist group between elections, and use a nested council structure.  SO there should be no harm done and lots of benifits. A few other points.

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Grinder
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>I really, really think it would be the cart before the horse. It's funny that I said this to Michael albert about his idea of creating a worldwide activist organization a few months back (I thought it wouldn't work).  His ...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Mark Evans
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It seems to me that Matt G's argument rests on the conviction that organising in a party will prove more effective for movement building whereas Matt A's argumnet rests on the belief that before we can even think about forming a parsoc par...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Allen
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I really, really think it would be the cart before the horse. Build a vibrant and self confident "parsoc" or Libertarian Socialist organisation with several dozen active and functioning chapters with some sort of public profile, then let...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Mark Evans
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Okay - Ill put up £250 if you put up £250. Id be very interested to look into this in more detail if people in the UK are interested???

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Matt Allen
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"PPS-UK has been set-up to facilitate members to 1) self-manage projects with other members, and 2) initiate or join an existing self-managed local chapter.  Some of us could look into setting-up a parsoc party here in the UK as a PPS-UK...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Matt Allen
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Hi Matt G. I do not dispute the vast majority of what you're saying. However the Wikipedia article (and this is why I'm wary of Wikipedia and any other officially "neutral" source for that matter) leaves out the reasons why the ...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Mark Evans
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Hi Matt G and Matt A - Again I would like to make it clear that I am very interested in exploring this topic.   PPS-UK has been set-up to facilitate members to 1) self-manage projects with other members, and 2) initiate or join an existing ...

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