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Forum Post Albert: Re: Consumption planning example

Forum Post, March, 07 2011 Michael Albert
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Thank you - good advice I will try to take!

Forum Post Hayes: Consumption planning example

Forum Post, March, 07 2011 Eric Hayes
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Like the chapter, the section on the market is probably the best I've read from you yet.   I'd just like to propose an addition onto the participatory planning section relating to private consumption. I like how "Looking Forward...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 28 2011 Matt Allen
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6) OK, I'm not sure anyone has posited otherwise. 7) Er... There is loads you can do, "you can do other activism" a small phrase that hides a multitude of activities. Off the top of my head you can get involved in struggles that ar...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 28 2011 Matt Allen
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Hi Matt, thanks for your detailed replies, on balance I see you're obviously committed to your vision of an electoral intervention and fairplay, good luck with it. However I will address each of your points to explain why I still believe it i...

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Grinder
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(7)  It's hard to be an activist organization who lieks to talk about parsoc, because there is not much to do.  You can give a talk, you can do other activism and try to engage other activists... and that's about it.  this g...

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Grinder
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(6)  As I've said many times, you can be an activist group between elections, and use a nested council structure.  SO there should be no harm done and lots of benifits. A few other points.

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Grinder
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>I really, really think it would be the cart before the horse. It's funny that I said this to Michael albert about his idea of creating a worldwide activist organization a few months back (I thought it wouldn't work).  His ...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Mark Evans
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It seems to me that Matt G's argument rests on the conviction that organising in a party will prove more effective for movement building whereas Matt A's argumnet rests on the belief that before we can even think about forming a parsoc par...

Forum Post Mäkinen: Link for the video

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Joona-Hermanni Mäkinen
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A video recording of the speech. http://vimeo.com/15810167

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 22 2011 Matt Allen
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I really, really think it would be the cart before the horse. Build a vibrant and self confident "parsoc" or Libertarian Socialist organisation with several dozen active and functioning chapters with some sort of public profile, then let...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Mark Evans
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Okay - Ill put up £250 if you put up £250. Id be very interested to look into this in more detail if people in the UK are interested???

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Matt Allen
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"PPS-UK has been set-up to facilitate members to 1) self-manage projects with other members, and 2) initiate or join an existing self-managed local chapter.  Some of us could look into setting-up a parsoc party here in the UK as a PPS-UK...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Matt Allen
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Hi Matt G. I do not dispute the vast majority of what you're saying. However the Wikipedia article (and this is why I'm wary of Wikipedia and any other officially "neutral" source for that matter) leaves out the reasons why the ...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Mark Evans
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Hi Matt G and Matt A - Again I would like to make it clear that I am very interested in exploring this topic.   PPS-UK has been set-up to facilitate members to 1) self-manage projects with other members, and 2) initiate or join an existing ...

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 21 2011 Matt Grinder
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>Personally I would not rely on Wikipedia for my sources, I wouldn't rely on any single source to be >honest. All studies done of Wikipedia's accuracy that I know of point to Wikipedia's reliability.  See http://en.wikipedi...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 20 2011 Matt Allen
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Hmm, maybe I was a bit patronizing originally, I apologise if that's the case. Personally I would not rely on Wikipedia for my sources, I wouldn't rely on any single source to be honest. The British Postwar Settlement Overview ...

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 20 2011 Matt Grinder
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>I agree with you re; setting up organisations based on the way you want to organise in the future >in the here and now. good to hear. >I also wouldn't rule out setting up a registered political party to put forward ideas, indeed he...

Forum Post Allen: Re: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 20 2011 Matt Allen
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Hi Matt, I agree with you re; setting up organisations based on the way you want to organise in the future in the here and now. I also wouldn't rule out setting up a registered political party to put forward ideas, indeed here in the UK it&#...

Forum Post Grinder: Re: Re: Re: participatory political party

Forum Post, February, 18 2011 Matt Grinder
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Sorry, nobody replied to this for so long, I forgot to check.  When I say it's doable witha few people.  I mean that's all you need to collect the signatures ( a few hundred needed in canada, I don't know about other countrie...

Forum Post Garrigues: Empowerment Gap

Forum Post, February, 16 2011 Chris Garrigues
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RE:  "Okay, but what about the coordinator class that exists, inside a capitalist economy, between labor and capital and that is defined by its relative monopoly on empowering work that in turn conveys to it skills, information, confiden...

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