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Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, July, 12 2011 Michael Albert
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>1. I'm far from persuaded that we need money for most transactions (aside from trade with outside capitalist regions, and perhaps internal bookkeeping within industries). My guess is that by "money" you mean something that one a...

Forum Post St. John: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, July, 12 2011 Patrick St. John
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The stoplight analogy took on a bit of a life of its own, as I found it really useful. There's a pretty important difference between 1) participatorily planning where stop lights are placed, how long they stay red for, etc., and 2) letting who...

Forum Post Wiley: my one and 1/2 rupees on this issue

Forum Post, July, 12 2011 Jason Wiley
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     I am assuming this is the apex of left wing intellectualism.  Unfortunately you are defending your own subjugation.  The weight of the influence of atheistic influence as a counter response to religious fanaticis...

Forum Post Atangcho: Re: Re: Elite or not?

Forum Post, July, 11 2011 Merius Atangcho
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Well, I'm sure there might be (I can't speak for all anarchists), but I didn't read the criticism quite as broadly as you did. But no, no dispute on ideas whatsoever. Just a minor refinement, if you will. Thanks.

Forum Post H: The opposite of dogmatic and authoritarian

Forum Post, July, 11 2011 Joe H
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Just thought I  would share some points that occurred to me when preparing a talk on parecon some time ago, which perhaps just rephrase some of the responses you give above.  The first is that vision fosters experiment and innovation: ex...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Elite or not?

Forum Post, July, 11 2011 Michael Albert
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I don't think we disagree about the concerns, actually, only their importance.  There are two reasons, mainly, to say working people will not relate to a proposed vision - so why bother having one? One, a vision doesn't pay off in t...

Forum Post Atangcho: Elite or not?

Forum Post, July, 11 2011 Merius Atangcho
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Criticism: The anarchist critic sometimes shifts gears to question not the possibility of vision, or the validity of its claims, or the danger of its possible by-products, but the lack of benefit of vision as a reason to not bother doing it. In ...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Authenticity Concerns

Forum Post, July, 10 2011 Michael Albert
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Hi Gary Well, I have already addressed the points outlined in this piece. I have also urged that others add any other matters they want to see addressed, either in comments reacting, or in blog posts. If you have any, perhaps after looking ar ...

Forum Post Scruggs: note to Michael

Forum Post, July, 10 2011 T.M. Scruggs
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Hi, A tiny suggestion: place a one sentence definition of what Parecon is right across the top banner for the section on Parecon: for newcomers it's a total mystery what this name might possibly stand for. In solidarity, T.M. Scruggs Berkel...

Forum Post Techentien: Authenticity Concerns

Forum Post, July, 10 2011 Gary Techentien
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Michael: I agree that it is essential to engage in a thorough discussion of whether it is a good thing to envision the society we aim to create and I think it is every bit as essential to address the objections of fellow anarachists who express c...

Forum Post Frchristie: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, July, 10 2011 Frederic Frchristie
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"> "Do you really want to say that for working five hours five days a week, you should get the same income I get for working eight hours a day, five days a week, in the same industry, at the same pace?" Absolutely. And if the nature of work is st...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, July, 08 2011 Michael Albert
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> If you read those articles I linked to, you'l see that virtually all traffic signs have been removed - stop lights, stop signs, etc. And these aren't dusty hamlets in Kansas -- they're busy towns and cities in the heart of Europe....

Forum Post St. John: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, July, 08 2011 Patrick St. John
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If you read those articles I linked to, you'l see that virtually all traffic signs have been removed - stop lights, stop signs, etc. And these aren't dusty hamlets in Kansas -- they're busy towns and cities in the heart of Europe. Som...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, July, 08 2011 Michael Albert
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Hi, > 1. Funny thing about the stoplight analogy. Actually, quite a few cities and regions in Europe have rid themselves of stop lights, and things have been going quite well: In the u.s., too, most corners have stop signs or nothing - b...

Forum Post Albert: Re: some conversations ive had

Forum Post, July, 08 2011 Michael Albert
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> some dont like the coordinator class analysis cuz they say it divides the working class and alienates them from potential allies (ie coordinators). The earliest versions of it were anarchist - bakunin, among others. Your other comments...

Forum Post St. John: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, July, 08 2011 Patrick St. John
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1. Funny thing about the stoplight analogy. Actually, quite a few cities and regions in Europe have rid themselves of stop lights, and things have been going quite well: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,448747,00.html http://ww...

Forum Post Ream: Post & Commentary: On anarchistnews.org

Forum Post, July, 06 2011 Christian Ream
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Here is the post with current (and hopefully future) commentary on anarchistnews.org: https://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/14951

Forum Post McGehee: some conversations ive had

Forum Post, July, 06 2011 Michael McGehee
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your essays have gotten some anarchists i know discussing (sometimes constructively, sometimes not) parecon and there’s been a few of them who ive been able to discuss it with and i think it was productive. some have not been as capable or w...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Detail vs framework

Forum Post, July, 05 2011 Michael Albert
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Anders, Thanks. Your experience and reaction is precisely what the whole process aims at attaining...but that it fails, at times, with some people, isn't too surprising. At such times, advocates simply have to carry on trying to address  ...

Forum Post Sandstrom: Detail vs framework

Forum Post, July, 05 2011 Anders Sandstrom
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"There is a striking irony in all this. As noted above, often the same person who raises objections to parecon for being a blueprint later asks all kinds of questions that violate minimalist maximalism. They will ask, how long will people wor...

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