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Haghiri: LibCom's renumeration criticism
Forum Post, June, 25 2011
Masood Haghiri
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In today's economic system, many people wish they could reduce the onerousness, time, effort, and sacrifice of their jobs but can't because they have to feed and provide for themselves and their family and they simply don...
Shepherd: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 25 2011
Lester Shepherd
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I am beginning to believe my bulb is brighter than I had imagined. I am not 4$#%ing on Z and have no intentions of the same. I guess I am not making any progress in expressing myself so I apologize to all that are offended.
Osama: Re: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 25 2011
Barack Osama
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I wasn't going to comment on this but after listenning to Dylan I get in this mood of clarity and probably having one too many Belhavens at the local pub I must comment. The future is something that doesn't exit; it hasn't happen...
Shepherd: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 24 2011
Lester Shepherd
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I apologize to all for giving up, but It does not mean that I am trying to recruit others. I was raised as a brat and did not turn my life around until around 40. I then started to read and have come to my conclusions through critical ...
Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 24 2011
Michael Albert
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For clarity, given the opening essay, there is nothing at all anarchist in your stance - quite the contrary. But, that aside... you write: "Of this I am sure: there is no purpose or reason for this life. It just is what it is. &nb...
Shepherd: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 24 2011
Lester Shepherd
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I appreciate ur comment. I used to be that way. Now, I would stay till the end of the game, if, I went to the game at all because I do not like sports like I used to. Sorry to appear to be the damper but I think I am close to the...
Shepherd: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 24 2011
Lester Shepherd
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It isn't pointless if u say there is no afterlife. (The light switch simply goes off and you do not die, the world just ends.) Who wd want to live in a post atomic war world or live on a raft? No one that I know except a fool...
Corbett: Re: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 24 2011
Jean-Francois Corbett
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You know, once I went to an Expos game with a friend when I was 14 or so. They were getting trounced, it was really depressing, and my friend and I ended up leaving after the 8th inning to avoid the exit rush. We kept on listening to the game on ...
Corbett: Re: Additional Concern
Forum Post, June, 24 2011
Jean-Francois Corbett
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John, you write: "I staunchily support from each according to ability and to each according to need. [...] I cannot support individuals or even groups judging how onerous or worthy someone else's labor is" But to do what you staunch...
Albert: Re: Re: Re: A few ranging notions
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Michael Albert
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You are correct that parecon is not just vague values, nor a detailed blueprint, at the other extreme. It is key values and key institutions needed to fulfill those values. You are also right there is no one magic structure, bearing on deci...
Polson: Re: Re: A few ranging notions
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Rufus Polson
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On the art and digging ditches, I won't press the objection. You were asking for criticisms, I provided a couple, but I'm not convinced they're either important or apply genuinely. I'm not convinced many of the ones you...
St. John: Re: Re: Anarchist concerns
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Patrick St. John
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Just to clarify re:the state, a question that could use answering explicitly is something along the lines of "does ParEcon require a certain type of polity with which to run? Are there some types of polity with which ParEcon couldn't oper...
Albert: Re: Anarchist concerns
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Michael Albert
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Well parecon isn't about the state per se - parpolity is...but you are right I should address this in the coming piece, and will... That parecon describes key economic institutions by no means means I or anyone thinks economics exists separat...
St john: Anarchist concerns
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Patrick St john
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I'm just thinking off the top of my head, so I may add more later today. 1. ParEcon seems - at best - ambiguous about the role of the state. For an economic vision this comprehensive and complex, questions of compliance, fraud, black markets,...
Roblin: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some general remarks
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Stephen Roblin
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>> Suppose they all work the same hours and intensity, at balanced job complexes, so they all get the same X/N where N is the number of workers. Now they might decide, okay, all except Sam will take Y less, and Sam can have X/N plus NY wher...
Casten: Re: Re: Re: Re: A minor concern: Fame...
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
J.D. Casten
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Great!
Albert: Re: Re: Re: A minor concern: Fame...
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Michael Albert
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Ah, okay, I get it, and will add it, and deal later, if that is okay with you. Thanks!
Albert: Re: A few ranging notions
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Michael Albert
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In this essay I really was just looking to have folks deliver lists of concerns of ANARCHISTS - folks seem to want to do much else too... There is another essay coming...however, for more discussion... And, for those seriously wanting way more n...
Casten: Re: Re: A minor concern: Fame...
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
J.D. Casten
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Michael: I connect my concern with anarchism in that I see it directly related to decentralization of power: is not anarchism against hierarchical forms of power? &nb...
Albert: Re: Re: Re: Some general remarks
Forum Post, June, 23 2011
Michael Albert
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Well, let's wait on dealing much more with remuneration for need until the next essay - but honestly, no, it isn't morally sound, it allows gluttony and sloth - very ego centric behavior, and in facts makes such behavior personally and col...


