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Forum Post Albert: Re: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Michael Albert
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If we develop a moement large enough to win the type demand the article suggests, on a large scale - capital flight really isn't that much of a problem - because these are system wide demands... If you fight for higher wages in an industry - ...

Forum Post Agnostic: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Michael I like your thinking - organize positively not just in reaction to the what the right is doing.  I think your platform is good too - I think it would resonate.  A few thoughts below on where I think the debate would quickly go on...

Forum Post Agnostic: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Michael, You are a patient man. Rick, Yes - any political/social struggle involves seeking to persuade many to agree with your position or desired outcome, and ultimately to coerce those you are not able to convince. For example, lets say we d...

Forum Post Carty: May The Boats Rise With Us!

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Antonio Carty
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Yes I entirely agree with this simple forward approach, we need to be trowing a punch now with a clear & true solution. At this important point, were the latest disaster economics terrible wound is open & ready to heal badly in panic, let ...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rick New

>> Actually, the point of the article, was in considerable part to stand in favor of what we want, not against what we abhor.<< My initial quetion was about using the word "Fight.." and what that might imply. When I thi...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Michael Albert
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> What are the undelying systemic causes? Not the outer causes that we can see, but the underlying causes?  Perhaps there are deeper issues than we are allowing ourselves the time to explore? I have to tell you, this is not really ve...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rick New

>> Well, it is a strange formulation, to my ears. No, I would say they are caused by a system - private ownership, corporate divisions of labor, markets, and so on - which compel certain kinds of behavior from people - leading to the various...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rick New

>> I find the point you are trying to make very disturbing, to be perfectly honest.  Fighting or struggling (or whatever you want to call it) to improve society as a whole and make the world a better place is the essence of humanit...

Forum Post syratt: no more reactive slogans

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 frank syratt
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I think Michael's rejection of the fight back slogan is absolutely appropriate.  The idea of fighting back gives the impression of starting on the back foot.  Its plaintive.  The new demands are fine, clear, short and obvious. ...

Forum Post Albert: Re: The problem is not what do to but how to accomplish it

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Michael Albert
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> It's hard to argue with any of the proposals Michael makes as they are all together and individually eminently sensible.  But, as my father was fond of saying, between the lip and the plate many peas  fall from the knife.  ...

Forum Post Eisenscher: The problem is not what do to but how to accomplish it

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Michael Eisenscher
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It's hard to argue with any of the proposals Michael makes as they are all together and individually eminently sensible.  But, as my father was fond of saying, between the lip and the plate many peas  fall from the knife.   We ...

Forum Post B: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Katie B
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"When we struggle for "more jobs, more pay, more training" how is that fundamentally different from the corporations struggling for "more markets, more profits, more resources"?" Really?  How do you not understa...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Michael Albert
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> It seems  that the current economic ills are caused by agression, are they not? The agression of exploiting our resources and each other.   Well, it is a strange formulation, to my ears. No, I would say they are caused by a sy...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rick New

>> I have to admit I do not wish to get sidetracked into a discussion of the word fight - I would say, if you want to pursue that, perhaps write a post with your views. <<<  My apologies, I though you were asking for feedback ...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rick New

Not using violent language doesn't necessarily mean passivity.  If we want violence to come to an end, it seems that like anything else, we must understand it first. If we find ourselves using the language of violence, then perhaps we h...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Fight Forward

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Michael Albert
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Of course, I think tax the rich, soak the rich, derich the rich, and so on, would all be fine!

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Michael Albert
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I have to admit I do not wish to get sidetracked into a discussion of the word fight - I would say, if you want to pursue that, perhaps write a post with your views.... The issue in this post is the proposed program. That said, I will answer jus...

Forum Post Polson: Re: Fight Forward

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rufus Polson
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I agree entirely with the general approach:  Fight for what we do want, rather than operating a desperate rearguard action against what we don't want. I generally agree with the specific direction, but I'm not as sure about it.  ...

Forum Post Polson: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rufus Polson
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This system didn't invent fighting, sheesh.  No particular system has a monopoly on the language of fight or struggle.  I'm unclear how turning to the language of passivity is going to un-perpetuate the situation.  Even Gand...

Forum Post Humanist: Re: More Jobs, Pay, and Training - Less Work and War

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Free Humanist
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Further to this. If the Tea Party can get traction why can't a Progressive wing of the Democrats do the same. "Wingnutz" with a conscious would certainly be better than what continues as politics currently in the US.

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