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Humanist: More Jobs, Pay, and Training - Less Work and War
Forum Post, August, 01 2011
Free Humanist
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Seems like a wonderful platform to base a presidential run on. Too bad there isn't a third party in congress and the senate. Isn't it time for that? There are gains to be made when there is a balanced debate unfortunately it seems that pro...
New: Re: Re: Why fighting?
Forum Post, July, 31 2011
Rick New
If we look at language, it seems to me that the language of the system itself is that of struggle or fighting. If we adopt the language and thinking of the system, perhaps we are merely perpetuating the situation? Fighting is another form of...
Albert: Re: Why fighting?
Forum Post, July, 31 2011
Michael Albert
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I am not sure what you mean - a synonym is struggle. It is what you do seeking change. The women's movement, labor movement, civil rights movement, anti war movement - they all fight, or struggle, for change. Why must we do it? Becuase ...
Albert: Fight Forward
Commentary, July, 31 2011
Michael Albert
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We need to stop Fighting Back against what they want. We need to Fight Forward, for what we actually want
New: Why fighting?
Forum Post, July, 31 2011
Rick New
In all seriousness, why do we need to fight anything? Isn't fighting part of the problem we are trying to solve? Can we solve conflict with conflict?
Roblin: Good proposal
Forum Post, July, 31 2011
Stephen Roblin
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I agree with the sentiment of fighting forward. That concept should be developed and popularized. Ultimately, I think the proposal is a vision for how to achieve full employment, where productive effort is put towards achieving positive social go...
Albert: Re: Facebook
Forum Post, July, 31 2011
Michael Albert
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The comments are on a different article posted a day earlier... When you read t let mms know. I don't suggest shunning it....
Kashner: Facebook
Forum Post, July, 31 2011
Frank Kashner
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now that's funny - I comment on Michael's post, then click on the comments tab, and see that many of the comments previous to mine are about facebook, in agreement with Michael's critique of it. I have not read the criticisms in ...
Kashner: More Jobs, Pay, and Training - Less Work and War
Forum Post, July, 31 2011
Frank Kashner
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Hi Michael, I like More Jobs, Pay, and Training - Less Work and War as a slogan. I am curious as to why you do not link to facebook, given its popularity as a publishing platform. Is it due to copyright issues? - Frank
Albert: Re: Re: Re: I Personally Think...
Forum Post, July, 13 2011
Michael Albert
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Jason, Hi. I am not sure what you are referring to...I don't see another post by you above. But, at any rate, don't worry about it!
Wiley: Re: Re: I Personally Think...
Forum Post, July, 13 2011
Jason Wiley
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I apologize for the tone that I had in my comment yesterday. I should have taken the time to research the issue before coming out with guns a blazing. A dominating mentality like I expressed yesterday is not at all respectful of the cu...
Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.
Forum Post, July, 12 2011
Michael Albert
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>1. I'm far from persuaded that we need money for most transactions (aside from trade with outside capitalist regions, and perhaps internal bookkeeping within industries). My guess is that by "money" you mean something that one a...
St. John: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.
Forum Post, July, 12 2011
Patrick St. John
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The stoplight analogy took on a bit of a life of its own, as I found it really useful. There's a pretty important difference between 1) participatorily planning where stop lights are placed, how long they stay red for, etc., and 2) letting who...
Wiley: my one and 1/2 rupees on this issue
Forum Post, July, 12 2011
Jason Wiley
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I am assuming this is the apex of left wing intellectualism. Unfortunately you are defending your own subjugation. The weight of the influence of atheistic influence as a counter response to religious fanaticis...
Atangcho: Re: Re: Elite or not?
Forum Post, July, 11 2011
Merius Atangcho
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Well, I'm sure there might be (I can't speak for all anarchists), but I didn't read the criticism quite as broadly as you did. But no, no dispute on ideas whatsoever. Just a minor refinement, if you will. Thanks.
Albert: Re: I Personally Think...
Forum Post, July, 11 2011
Michael Albert
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Hi Frederic, That is logically correct, I agree. And I think some parecon supporters likely have just that view. On the other hand, I think it will be a minority perspective among people who like parecon, probably more so as time goes along. The...
Frchristie: I Personally Think...
Forum Post, July, 11 2011
Frederic Frchristie
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That the coordinator class insight is actually jettisonable from parecon. One doesn't have to agree that the coordinator class' ability to take over a society exists in any serious amount to agree that the tools that parecon uses to hedge ...
H: The opposite of dogmatic and authoritarian
Forum Post, July, 11 2011
Joe H
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Just thought I would share some points that occurred to me when preparing a talk on parecon some time ago, which perhaps just rephrase some of the responses you give above. The first is that vision fosters experiment and innovation: ex...
Albert: Re: Elite or not?
Forum Post, July, 11 2011
Michael Albert
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I don't think we disagree about the concerns, actually, only their importance. There are two reasons, mainly, to say working people will not relate to a proposed vision - so why bother having one? One, a vision doesn't pay off in t...
Atangcho: Elite or not?
Forum Post, July, 11 2011
Merius Atangcho
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Criticism: The anarchist critic sometimes shifts gears to question not the possibility of vision, or the validity of its claims, or the danger of its possible by-products, but the lack of benefit of vision as a reason to not bother doing it. In ...
