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Forum Post Guerin: Re: Re: Job Complex Limits

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Jon Guerin
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That sounds good.  Sorry for my misunderstanding.  My mistake.  Thanks for the clarification.

Forum Post Guerin: Re: Re: Abuse of Power

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Jon Guerin
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I am a human being, and I represent myself.  Feel free to ignore or comment on whatever you like based on the merits of the idea.  If it makes no sense or doesn't seem worthwhile, then ignore it.  I have lots of ideas and am cre...

Forum Post Guerin: Re: Re: Rewards encourage behavior

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Jon Guerin
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You are assuming people will want to do what they are talented at.  My point is that people may not know what they are talented at, and people do not always want to do what they are talented at for whatever reason. Thus, it is in the ...

Forum Post Evans: Re: Anarchist concerns

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Mark Evans
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(kind of off topic so sorry to stick my nose in here Mchael) Hi Patrick - thanks for highlighting the link to the LibCom / PPS-UK debate. I had no idea that LibCom had replied to my post.  If I remember rightly the person who set-up the exc...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Job Complex Limits

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Michael Albert
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Again, I just don't know if this is your concern - or you believe it is an anarchist concern, or what... Briefly, people can work all over the place, so long as they can fit into production processes intelligently - that is to say, hold coher...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Abuse of Power

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Michael Albert
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I am not sure if you are raising your views, or just views... I don't think any anarchist has ever said anything like this - so I may not add it to the list. If it is your views, and you want a reply, then after the reply essay, I guess raise...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Rewards encourage behavior

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Michael Albert
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This will all be dealt with - but meanwhile, two things to note. (1) The determination of the onerousness of work is done by assessing the work, socially, not the experience of a particular person doing it. For me, doing surgery would be the worst...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Anarchist concerns

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Michael Albert
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The thing I find most strange, honestly, about all the concerns is that while for various folks who feel them  - not you, I suspect - they are deep and strong enough to cause the rejection of the vision - often quite forcefully - for those sa...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Anarchist concerns

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Michael Albert
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I agree with you that some of - in fact in my view pretty much all of - the criticisms are confused, or misinformed about parecon in the first place, or wrong in simple ways...but that you or I feel that way about some, doesn't mean no one fin...

Forum Post Albert: Re: LibCom's renumeration criticism

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Michael Albert
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You are quite right - it gives one a feeling of reaching so hard to find something to disagree with that one becomes attached to claims one would otherwise easily dismiss. This is true for a good many of the concerns folks raise...or so it seems t...

Forum Post St. John: Re: Anarchist concerns

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Patrick St. John
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I just was emailed some additional comments from a friend, so I'm posting them below, unedited. Thanks again! -- I agree with some of these criticisms but I find that a lot of them seem to be strawmen, so I want to sharpen the ones that I th...

Forum Post Guerin: Job Complex Limits

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Jon Guerin
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Why limit the mixing of desirable and undesirable work to a job complex?  Let's say I'm an engineer who works indoors most of the time, but I enjoy the outdoors.  I'd prefer to do yardwork in the park over sweeping ...

Forum Post Guerin: Abuse of Power

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Jon Guerin
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How does parecon prevent abuse of power?  Decentralizing decision making is good, but this only goes so far.  Having those effected by the decisions vote is not enough protection against abuse.  Democratic councils can and will be m...

Forum Post Guerin: Rewards encourage behavior

Forum Post, June, 26 2011 Jon Guerin
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Rewards encourage behavior.  Just because people want to be rewarded does not mean they are being greedy or unreasonable.  People do things for all kinds of reasons, so it's best to reward people to encourage positive behavior.&nb...

Forum Post Haghiri: LibCom's renumeration criticism

Forum Post, June, 25 2011 Masood Haghiri
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    In today's economic system, many people wish they could reduce the onerousness, time, effort, and sacrifice of their jobs but can't because they have to feed and provide for themselves and their family and they simply don&#...

Forum Post Shepherd: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern

Forum Post, June, 25 2011 Lester Shepherd
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I am beginning to believe my bulb is brighter than I had imagined. I am not 4$#%ing on Z and have no intentions of the same.  I guess I am not making any progress in expressing myself so I apologize to all that are offended.  

Forum Post Osama: Re: Re: Additional Concern

Forum Post, June, 25 2011 Barack Osama
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I wasn't going to comment on this but after listenning to Dylan I get in this mood of clarity and probably having one too many Belhavens at the local pub I must comment.  The future is something that doesn't exit; it hasn't happen...

Forum Post Shepherd: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern

Forum Post, June, 24 2011 Lester Shepherd
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I apologize to all for giving up, but It does not mean that I am trying to recruit others.  I was raised as a brat and did not turn my life around until around 40.  I then started to read and have come to my conclusions through critical ...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern

Forum Post, June, 24 2011 Michael Albert
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For clarity, given the opening essay, there is nothing at all anarchist in your stance - quite the contrary. But, that aside... you write: "Of this I am sure:  there is no purpose or reason for this life.  It just is what it is. &nb...

Forum Post Shepherd: Re: Re: Re: Additional Concern

Forum Post, June, 24 2011 Lester Shepherd
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I appreciate ur comment.  I used to be that way.  Now, I would stay till the end of the game, if, I went to the game at all because I do not like sports like I used to.  Sorry to appear to be the damper but I think I am close to the...

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