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Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael Albert
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No - you are right, but it isn't clear how to deal with it. That is, when someone writes howver gently, however supportively, with some concerns - others can quote out of context. But - if we let that silence all concerns, then we allow the m...

Forum Post Volpe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Giuseppe Volpe
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>  a  slogan can encapsulate a perspective - as well...and even promote one Sure enough. And a criticism can encapsulate a perspective and even promote one. However maybe this  is all a matter of excessive sensitivity on my par...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Glad you raised this

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael Albert
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HI Tom, I hope you are doing well! > I've been thinking similar thoughts. I'm not even sure whether "the 1 percent" is defined in terms of top owners of wealth or top income. It's accurate enough if the idea is to put a ...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael Albert
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> I would like to respectfully insist that a slogan is a slogan and an economic and political vision is something very different. Of course, but I would add that a slogan can encapsulate a perspective - as well...and even promote one. > It...

Forum Post Volpe: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Giuseppe Volpe
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Hi Michael, I would like to respectfully insist that a slogan is a slogan and an economic and political vision is something very different. It's a good thing to remind that there are not only two classes etc. But there are many other things th...

Forum Post Marty: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 David Marty
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Hej Rickard, My name is David, I'm from Madrid. I happen to be working on a similar project, that is building a "business" or coop on Parecon principles, here in Madrid. I am also in touch with the PPS people in Sweden and often go there (Stock...

Forum Post McGehee: Re: Glad you raised this

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Michael McGehee
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tom, and ive had countless conversations on this and more. from what i can gather the occupy movements seem to be self-organized and self-managed. which is a great development, as well as the bias towards general assemblies and participatory democ...

Forum Post Hosepyan: Re: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 22 2011 Yetvart Hosepyan
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Hello Joseph, To answer your questions without a huge debate (not because it is not worth it but because I think we are more or less on the same page): I would not be willing to share my knowledge and expertise freely. I would want fair compensa...

Forum Post Wetzel: Glad you raised this

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Tom Wetzel
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I've been thinking similar thoughts. I'm not even sure whether "the 1 percent" is defined in terms of top owners of wealth or top income. It's accurate enough if the idea is to put a finger on the plutocratic elite, the big i...

Forum Post Waters: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Joseph Waters

Yetvart, Are you willing to share your knowledge and expertise freely? Do you feel that your specialized education and training should give you more privileges, rank and status than those who do not have such advanced training? Michael's arti...

Forum Post Waters: It Needed To Be Said

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Joseph Waters

I'm glad you pointed this out, Michael. You did it more diplomatically than I probably could.

Forum Post Svensson: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Rickard Svensson
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Good article! I'm trying to read "Parecon - life after capitalism" in swedish at the time. Sorry but I have a question to you however that's not related to this article really. See my mom has been a worker most of her life, but n...

Forum Post Dominick: Daily Show Treatment

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Brian Dominick
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I honestly don't know how "accurate" the Daily Show segment on class division within the OWS encampment was, but even if only as parody, it's really quite astute on this matter that Mike is pointing out here. http://www.thedaily...

Forum Post Albert: Re: important

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Michael Albert
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> This is the time to bring up this problematic slogan, thanks. You are welcome. > A coordinator class dynamic is not what I see playing out here locally where it is actually some laborers who seek to moderate demands and preserve the...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Michael Albert
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Thanks Brian. Yes, I think you are right that it is basically a good sounding slogan - but so good, and so effective at pinpointing those at the top - and highlighting redistribution - that it has a lot of merit on those grounds. Of course, on ot...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Michael Albert
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Thanks... And of course. 

Forum Post Jones: important

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 David Jones
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This is the time to bring up this problematic slogan, thanks. From the first time I heard it I thought it reeked of "Jewish Banker Cabal" type logic, a Friend/Enemy distinction that was a dangerous distraction.  Yes it is an umbrell...

Forum Post Hosepyan: Re: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Yetvart Hosepyan
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This is a great article. One quick comment though is, being a professional engineer authority also comes from knowledge governing the profession. It is unethical to allow a non engineer to function as an engineer on all technical matters that req...

Znet Article Albert: We Are The 99%?

Znet Article, November, 21 2011 Michael Albert
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Does saying we are the 99% obscure more than it reveals. Will it ultimately misdirect more than focus the movement?

Forum Post Dominick: Finally...

Forum Post, November, 21 2011 Brian Dominick
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Mike, I've been waiting for you to publish this. (I knew you would, so I didn't bother trying myself.) I believe this issue will pose the biggest threat to an increasingly successful OWS movement. I often think your abstract encapsulations...

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