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Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 08 2011 Michael Albert
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John, > I think it was this paragraph which made me feel you would be open to hearing a description of how the parecon system could be modified to work without money and without money being tied to work to consumption. I tried to make it c...

Forum Post Kenny: Does parecon allow each their own need?

Forum Post, August, 08 2011 John Kenny
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Do you anticipate it being relatively easy to work more hours at your work place in order to increase your consumption? It's hard to guess, but the problem I see is the scenario when you workplace doesn't have a group of people who, as ...

Forum Post Kenny: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 08 2011 John Kenny
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> For example, I still have not heard how the remunerative norm you seem to want would yield relative valuations, would allow me to know how much I should work to be responsible, would guide investments or even amounts to be produced of each...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Michael Albert
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John,   If you have serious concerns about parecon, or about my comments regarding anarchist concerns, please raise them and I will reply.    As to the alternative you pose, honestly, it is just you more less winging it&he...

Forum Post Kenny: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 John Kenny
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>This means, at least as written, that you are legislating a total duration, intensity, and onerousness of work and I can't, for example, opt for less, or for more, nor can you. There is nothing self managing about that unless there is some...

Forum Post Evans: Re: norton

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Mark Evans
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Is this intended as a comment on what I say in the interview?  Are there any references to the institutional analysis I make of democratic centralism and Leninist strategy more generally? 

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Michael Albert
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> The differences that I'm going for is that  1. everyone will work the same level of onerouness, etc. This means, at least as written, that you are legislating a total duration, intensity, and onerousness of work and I can't, for...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Michael Albert
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> 1. I'm far from persuaded that we need money for most transactions (aside from trade with outside capitalist regions, and perhaps internal bookkeeping within industries). This is likely because you (a) are thinking of money as capital - ...

Forum Post Tatsuo: norton

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Miyachi Tatsuo
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Stalin revise Lenin's party. Lenin himself seeked bottom-up party form. I n Lein's party,region,or district committe did not exit. Party member directly reported PB. So Lenin understood well rigional problem. Stalin reviced it, and built&n...

Forum Post Kenny: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 06 2011 John Kenny
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I think I see where Patrick is going. Whatever the case, I'm going to try and offer an alternative for the sake of argument: The differences that I'm going for is that 1. everyone will work the same level of onerouness, etc. and 2. they w...

Znet Article Evans: The Trouble with Leninism

Znet Article, August, 05 2011 Mark Evans
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It could be argued that the best way to defend public services would be to push for greater democratic control over them by workers and consumers

Forum Post Atangcho: Yes indeed.

Forum Post, August, 05 2011 Merius Atangcho
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A good start and the right issues to begin to counter neoliberalism and to launch a campaign on; the battle front does need to be moved away from the right. And indeed, campaign platforms, or at least easily recognizible slogans thereof, appear l...

Forum Post Sandstrom: Re: Re: Detail vs framework

Forum Post, August, 05 2011 Anders Sandstrom
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Gregory, thanks for comments. Like you say, sharing experiences helps to deal with the frustration in how people react to any attemt to introduce a new model like Parecon.

Forum Post Sherwin: Four Points

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Will Sherwin
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1)  I like the insight on the importance of "fighting forward" instead of "fighting back" and I like the banner slogans. 2)  Derrick Jensen has a thought-provoking talk on how loving activism does not imply pacifism....

Forum Post Dean: Re: Detail vs framework

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Gregory Dean
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Anders, I come up against that at least once a month. Very good for me to see shared frustration in how it's received (although discouraging overall).  I stopped wondering a long time ago if it's how I communicate it, mostly we just n...

Forum Post New: Re: Introspection and self development, and social politics

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Rick New

Thank you for your reply, Justin. Your statements are moving toward what I'm trying to express, however I would not choose to say what you have stated.  To try and be clear: I'm not advocating for self-development or becoming peacef...

Forum Post Agnostic: Re: Re: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Michael, I do not mean to say you should have included my suggestions in the original article- articles are not books for a reason - and Z is interactive for the inverse reason.  I.E. articles have to be short, and interactive discourse allo...

Forum Post Agnostic: Introspection and self development, and social politics

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Rick, I understand what you are saying, and I think there is a value in what your are saying but you are streching that value over areas where it is illprepared to deal with. Two concepts,  introspection and self development, and social pol...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Rick New

Thanks for your reply, Justin. "If there is any chance of changing the situation, it is only through undiminished insight." -- Theodor W. Adorno **** I am asking if it is possible for us to look into what we mean by "fightin...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Michael Albert
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well, ireland and the uk are certainly prime spots, I think, for a fight forward approach...glad you like the components.

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