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Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Michael Albert
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> The differences that I'm going for is that  1. everyone will work the same level of onerouness, etc. This means, at least as written, that you are legislating a total duration, intensity, and onerousness of work and I can't, for...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Michael Albert
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> 1. I'm far from persuaded that we need money for most transactions (aside from trade with outside capitalist regions, and perhaps internal bookkeeping within industries). This is likely because you (a) are thinking of money as capital - ...

Forum Post Tatsuo: norton

Forum Post, August, 07 2011 Miyachi Tatsuo
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Stalin revise Lenin's party. Lenin himself seeked bottom-up party form. I n Lein's party,region,or district committe did not exit. Party member directly reported PB. So Lenin understood well rigional problem. Stalin reviced it, and built&n...

Forum Post Kenny: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop lights, etc.

Forum Post, August, 06 2011 John Kenny
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I think I see where Patrick is going. Whatever the case, I'm going to try and offer an alternative for the sake of argument: The differences that I'm going for is that 1. everyone will work the same level of onerouness, etc. and 2. they w...

Znet Article Evans: The Trouble with Leninism

Znet Article, August, 05 2011 Mark Evans
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It could be argued that the best way to defend public services would be to push for greater democratic control over them by workers and consumers

Forum Post Atangcho: Yes indeed.

Forum Post, August, 05 2011 Merius Atangcho
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A good start and the right issues to begin to counter neoliberalism and to launch a campaign on; the battle front does need to be moved away from the right. And indeed, campaign platforms, or at least easily recognizible slogans thereof, appear l...

Forum Post Sandstrom: Re: Re: Detail vs framework

Forum Post, August, 05 2011 Anders Sandstrom
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Gregory, thanks for comments. Like you say, sharing experiences helps to deal with the frustration in how people react to any attemt to introduce a new model like Parecon.

Forum Post Sherwin: Four Points

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Will Sherwin
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1)  I like the insight on the importance of "fighting forward" instead of "fighting back" and I like the banner slogans. 2)  Derrick Jensen has a thought-provoking talk on how loving activism does not imply pacifism....

Forum Post Dean: Re: Detail vs framework

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Gregory Dean
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Anders, I come up against that at least once a month. Very good for me to see shared frustration in how it's received (although discouraging overall).  I stopped wondering a long time ago if it's how I communicate it, mostly we just n...

Forum Post New: Re: Introspection and self development, and social politics

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Rick New

Thank you for your reply, Justin. Your statements are moving toward what I'm trying to express, however I would not choose to say what you have stated.  To try and be clear: I'm not advocating for self-development or becoming peacef...

Forum Post Agnostic: Re: Re: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Michael, I do not mean to say you should have included my suggestions in the original article- articles are not books for a reason - and Z is interactive for the inverse reason.  I.E. articles have to be short, and interactive discourse allo...

Forum Post Agnostic: Introspection and self development, and social politics

Forum Post, August, 03 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Rick, I understand what you are saying, and I think there is a value in what your are saying but you are streching that value over areas where it is illprepared to deal with. Two concepts,  introspection and self development, and social pol...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Rick New

Thanks for your reply, Justin. "If there is any chance of changing the situation, it is only through undiminished insight." -- Theodor W. Adorno **** I am asking if it is possible for us to look into what we mean by "fightin...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Michael Albert
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well, ireland and the uk are certainly prime spots, I think, for a fight forward approach...glad you like the components.

Forum Post Albert: Re: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Michael Albert
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If we develop a moement large enough to win the type demand the article suggests, on a large scale - capital flight really isn't that much of a problem - because these are system wide demands... If you fight for higher wages in an industry - ...

Forum Post Agnostic: Capital Control and Protectionist Devices

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Michael I like your thinking - organize positively not just in reaction to the what the right is doing.  I think your platform is good too - I think it would resonate.  A few thoughts below on where I think the debate would quickly go on...

Forum Post Agnostic: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Justin Agnostic
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Michael, You are a patient man. Rick, Yes - any political/social struggle involves seeking to persuade many to agree with your position or desired outcome, and ultimately to coerce those you are not able to convince. For example, lets say we d...

Forum Post Carty: May The Boats Rise With Us!

Forum Post, August, 02 2011 Antonio Carty
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Yes I entirely agree with this simple forward approach, we need to be trowing a punch now with a clear & true solution. At this important point, were the latest disaster economics terrible wound is open & ready to heal badly in panic, let ...

Forum Post New: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Rick New

>> Actually, the point of the article, was in considerable part to stand in favor of what we want, not against what we abhor.<< My initial quetion was about using the word "Fight.." and what that might imply. When I thi...

Forum Post Albert: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why fighting?

Forum Post, August, 01 2011 Michael Albert
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> What are the undelying systemic causes? Not the outer causes that we can see, but the underlying causes?  Perhaps there are deeper issues than we are allowing ourselves the time to explore? I have to tell you, this is not really ve...

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